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Post by TB123 on Nov 27, 2023 8:43:15 GMT
wasn’t W3 retained with HAs from 78? Yes it was, but as I previously mentioned the SL1 would be HV's unless other plans has changed. It is far easier now to send the HA's from the 78 which finish on Friday night to be done than other existing buses HV's where there would not be enough, even with the 34 pvr reduction without a reshuffle from other garages. A lot of the W3 drivers are now already type trained on HV's, virtually none bar any ex [AE] drivers at [WN] would be trained on them which there is less than double figures. The same goes for [AD] where route learning of the short section to North Finchley for some was being conducted last week. Interesting
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Post by ServerKing on Nov 27, 2023 9:53:04 GMT
To an enthusiast, it can seem "disappointing" when a particular change doesn't happen as planned (such as where are the 279's and 377's electrics?), but so long as there's a service and buses that can be used, that's more important. Perhaps HVs with their I Shift box might be more suitable for the steep hills of Ally Pally and Crouch End than the single speed hybrid drive in an HA (especially if never tested on the route before). How would the HAs fare on a higher speed, demanding Express SL2? I guess it's best to wait and see ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png) I assume T's from the 157 will be either scrapped or moved on to other parts of Arriva if wanted ![:-/](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/undecided.png) Have any buses started to lose their "DB Company" strapline yet, apart from the 377's new EMN's? ![::)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/eyesroll.png) I think the HA's would probably be more suited to the W3 as ADL hybrids are generally fine at climbing hills with the HV's more suited to faster, flat roads with the I-Shift box which does get confused at times when climbing hills. I thought I would answer the question as capitalomnibus would ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png) but I never took into consideration how an I shift box (12 possible gear combinations) would get addled on those hills... I was on an HV on the 123 which seemed to alternate between sluggish to too fast (unless it was a new driver) and that was on a relatively flat bit of road ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png) but if drivers aren't type trained (unless AE drivers come with the HAs to the W3) I assume it will be HVs initially or the existing T's. I assume there's going to be quite a few Ts stood down with the 157 going as well...
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Post by capitalomnibus on Nov 27, 2023 10:21:47 GMT
They do well on roads like this, I guess you have never driven them so would not know. I've always thought they'd be sluggish on those roads Why would they, I really do not understand these kind of comments. It is like the nonsense where people were saying hybrid buses would not be able to be used on motorways etc. But then people here seem to forget we have hybrid cars but are not restricted in any of these ways. The main problem is that on roads like these there was very little advantage with them over standard diesels.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Nov 27, 2023 10:28:19 GMT
Yes it was, but as I previously mentioned the SL1 would be HV's unless other plans has changed. It is far easier now to send the HA's from the 78 which finish on Friday night to be done than other existing buses HV's where there would not be enough, even with the 34 pvr reduction without a reshuffle from other garages. A lot of the W3 drivers are now already type trained on HV's, virtually none bar any ex [AE] drivers at [WN] would be trained on them which there is less than double figures. The same goes for [AD] where route learning of the short section to North Finchley for some was being conducted last week. Is the W3 and SL1 both getting HVs? As you say AD & WN are both not type trained on HAs? Oh boy, I have opened a can of worms now ![::)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/eyesroll.png) If HA's were to go to any of these garages, drivers would be type trained on them.
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Post by mkay315 on Nov 27, 2023 10:29:29 GMT
I've always thought they'd be sluggish on those roads Why would they, I really do not understand these kind of comments. It is like the nonsense where people were saying hybrid buses would not be able to be used on motorways etc. But then people here seem to forget we have hybrid cars but are not restricted in any of these ways. The main problem is that on roads like these there was very little advantage with them over standard diesels. Hey hey. Easy there 😎. I made a comment based on my own experience where I've been on a LT before and it was somewhat slow on a fast road and it was very sluggish moving off at times and no I have not driven those buses before because I'm not a bus driver. I'd assume you've probably driven one before and you may have had a good one.
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Post by mkay315 on Nov 27, 2023 10:31:01 GMT
Is the W3 and SL1 both getting HVs? As you say AD & WN are both not type trained on HAs? Oh boy, I have opened a can of worms now ![::)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/eyesroll.png) If HA's were to go to any of these garages, drivers would be type trained on them. Yeah you done did it now 😂
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Post by capitalomnibus on Nov 27, 2023 10:42:08 GMT
Yes it was, but as I previously mentioned the SL1 would be HV's unless other plans has changed. It is far easier now to send the HA's from the 78 which finish on Friday night to be done than other existing buses HV's where there would not be enough, even with the 34 pvr reduction without a reshuffle from other garages. A lot of the W3 drivers are now already type trained on HV's, virtually none bar any ex [AE] drivers at [WN] would be trained on them which there is less than double figures. The same goes for [AD] where route learning of the short section to North Finchley for some was being conducted last week. It shouldn't be too difficult to fully allocate HVs to the SL1. The 34's cut releases 4x HVs, and AD already have a few spare HVs. The rest could perhaps come from the 158? A few DWs recently transferred to EC, so if about 4 more can be send there, this could release all of the 158's HVs to AD to complete the SL1. Maybe 1 more spare HV from another garage too as the Superloop routes tend to have more spares allocated. While the 78's HAs will become available soon, it probably won't allow enough time for type training to take place, so would make more sense to send them off for refurbishment and type train drivers for the W3 or wherever they may end up. On paper there may be spare HV's at [AD] but at times they struggle to make full service at times.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Nov 27, 2023 10:48:19 GMT
Why would they, I really do not understand these kind of comments. It is like the nonsense where people were saying hybrid buses would not be able to be used on motorways etc. But then people here seem to forget we have hybrid cars but are not restricted in any of these ways. The main problem is that on roads like these there was very little advantage with them over standard diesels. Hey hey. Easy there 😎. I made a comment based on my own experience where I've been on a LT before and it was somewhat slow on a fast road and it was very sluggish moving off at times and no I have not driven those buses before because I'm not a bus driver. I'd assume you've probably driven one before and you may have had a good one. I have driven a few LT's, I find them to be good buses, really cannot understand the hate for them. If it is in limp mode like what happens to many euro5 or euro6 engined buses then obviously it would be sluggish.
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Post by mkay315 on Nov 27, 2023 10:50:55 GMT
Hey hey. Easy there 😎. I made a comment based on my own experience where I've been on a LT before and it was somewhat slow on a fast road and it was very sluggish moving off at times and no I have not driven those buses before because I'm not a bus driver. I'd assume you've probably driven one before and you may have had a good one. I have driven a few LT's, I find them to be good buses, really cannot understand the hate for them. If it is in limp mode like what happens to many euro5 or euro6 engined buses then obviously it would be sluggish. Thank you very much 🤝
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Post by ThinLizzy on Nov 27, 2023 10:59:18 GMT
LT's could convert a route that uses newer hybrids and have them start the SL3 or any other for example. Would love to see an LT on the 123 ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png) I can just hear the much missed Snoogles response to this 😂
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Post by vjaska on Nov 27, 2023 12:34:07 GMT
Hey hey. Easy there 😎. I made a comment based on my own experience where I've been on a LT before and it was somewhat slow on a fast road and it was very sluggish moving off at times and no I have not driven those buses before because I'm not a bus driver. I'd assume you've probably driven one before and you may have had a good one. I have driven a few LT's, I find them to be good buses, really cannot understand the hate for them. If it is in limp mode like what happens to many euro5 or euro6 engined buses then obviously it would be sluggish. The hate for them is from the passenger experience which is poor in comparison to other buses, don think anyone has ever said it’s due to the driving experience
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Post by southlondonbus on Nov 27, 2023 12:42:59 GMT
I have driven a few LT's, I find them to be good buses, really cannot understand the hate for them. If it is in limp mode like what happens to many euro5 or euro6 engined buses then obviously it would be sluggish. The hate for them is from the passenger experience which is poor in comparison to other buses, don think anyone has ever said it’s due to the driving experience Probably the only driving issue would be the length as I'm sure there are a few corners drivers have to take slower and more carefully on an 11.2m vehicle.
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Post by DT 11 on Nov 27, 2023 14:08:28 GMT
The hate for them is from the passenger experience which is poor in comparison to other buses, don think anyone has ever said it’s due to the driving experience Probably the only driving issue would be the length as I'm sure there are a few corners drivers have to take slower and more carefully on an 11.2m vehicle. More of a thing where you have to move the vehicle further up to make some left turns at some junctions. The left turn into Acre Lane from Kings Road and from Knightsbridge into Sloane Street. Some turns it is safer to lane hog because of some road users who want to get in front of the bus and will commit to do the most stupid things then you get those ones who mouth is bigger than their nose and will beep when there is clearly enough room.
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Post by dace2 on Nov 27, 2023 17:33:05 GMT
once the 133/333 passes, is best the HVs go to tottenham garage
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Post by SouthLondoner468 on Nov 27, 2023 17:45:21 GMT
once the 133/333 passes, is best the HVs go to tottenham garage I was thinking it’s best they go to South Croydon to replace the older DWs on the 60
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