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Post by mkay315 on Dec 2, 2023 8:58:22 GMT
Heck I still remembered in Spring/Summer 2011 when the 78 returned to being a double decker again after all those years. Those S-reg ADLs which were on that route for years were really worn out by then and they decided to stick it on the W15 for a bit. ABOMINATION!!!! I remember those S reg ADL's they were nasty. Nice when new but by the time they were transferred to [EC] for the W15 they were well and truly battered. It reminds me of the first batch of P reg ALX200 for the 230 after 5 years they were rolling wrecks, the faults they had on them was unbelievable and falling to pieces. The only thing decent was the exterior paintwork. I remember a lot of drivers did not want to drive the 230 because of the condition of them. Heck at times I remembered seeing it on the 173 around Beckton Asda. I preferred the X-reg ones. Oh yes I remembered the P-reg ones on the 230 which had the low floor bus writing on the side. Similar to the Wright pathfinders on the 101. I think the 167 and 20 back in it's grey green days also had their own P-reg buses but I think they were single doored.
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Post by sam97 on Dec 2, 2023 9:06:09 GMT
Why would the HA's struggle on the A406? They don't really seem like powerful buses That’s only because they spend their time on 20mph roads with the 78, 133, 333. Even Stagecoach ones (ex HCT) 26 and 388. But when there’s a fast section they can fly down the road. Try riding one on the SL1 when it opens then see how it is.
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Post by ADH45258 on Dec 2, 2023 10:04:36 GMT
They don't really seem like powerful buses Before making judgments ask others point of view I would suggest. I have driven HTs which are the same as HAs and they are powerful and not to be underestimated. In addition there are plenty of routes using E40Hs on fast roads. The 405 is the most perfect example. The 428 would be another perfect example however none are at DT. The 405's batch are slightly different as they are Ultracaps, as are the Citys on the 20. But the standard battery E40Hs are used in outer London on routes like the 407. BT's 67reg ADHs also performed well up Stanmore Hill when they ran the 142.
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Post by ADH45258 on Dec 2, 2023 10:05:15 GMT
Would I be correct that HA1-13 will be the allocation for route SL1? Should be HA1-15 Would it need 15 spares for a PVR of 11?
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Post by southlondon413 on Dec 2, 2023 10:29:21 GMT
I remember the HAs when they first entered service, the first examples of ADL's new Enviro400 City bodywork to hit the streets towards the end of 2015. The Enviro400 City was aimed at the London contracts market and took its styling cues from the New Bus for London/New Routemaster. It was more expensive than the also recently-launched Enviro400 MMC and it didn't sell particularly well in London - but the surprise was when non-London operators started buying the City body style, looking for something with a bit more of a head-turning wow-factor. Some photos of HAs on route 78 on their first day in service, 7th December 2015: The New Enviro400H City by Julian Walker, on Flickr The New Enviro400H City by Julian Walker, on Flickr The New Enviro400H City by Julian Walker, on Flickr 341/365 - a photo a day for 2015 by Julian Walker, on Flickr IMHO the standard ADL MMC should have looked like the City. It is a far better match to the E200MMC and just looks miles better.
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Post by londonbuses184 on Dec 2, 2023 10:44:08 GMT
Why would the HA's struggle on the A406? They don't really seem like powerful buses These buses are gonna fly through the A406 man. The HVs are nowhere near as powerful.
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Post by TB123 on Dec 2, 2023 10:53:27 GMT
Before making judgments ask others point of view I would suggest. I have driven HTs which are the same as HAs and they are powerful and not to be underestimated. In addition there are plenty of routes using E40Hs on fast roads. The 405 is the most perfect example. The 428 would be another perfect example however none are at DT. The 405's batch are slightly different as they are Ultracaps, as are the Citys on the 20. But the standard battery E40Hs are used in outer London on routes like the 407. BT's 67reg ADHs also performed well up Stanmore Hill when they ran the 142. The ultracap ones I'm told drive near identically to the standard battery ones, besides the usual individual quirks of each vehicle and batch.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Dec 2, 2023 11:33:17 GMT
The 405's batch are slightly different as they are Ultracaps, as are the Citys on the 20. But the standard battery E40Hs are used in outer London on routes like the 407. BT's 67reg ADHs also performed well up Stanmore Hill when they ran the 142. The ultracap ones I'm told drive near identically to the standard battery ones, besides the usual individual quirks of each vehicle and batch. That would make sense, the Ultracaps only difference to the standard batteries in theory is the fact energy is stored in a force field as opposed to chemically in a battery. The energy will still be discharged into exactly the same sources and will be generated from exactly the same sources. This in theory prevents retraining for drivers and staff, also why the change was done as a blanket change without much consultation. Ultracaps also being available in units of 24v is what's allowed for 48v Ultracaps and 96v Ultracaps to exist. With operators choosing which ones they prefer, notably Go Ahead, RATP and Arriva went for the 96V Ultracaps while Stagecoach and Abellio went for the 48v Ultracaps.
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Post by WH241 on Dec 2, 2023 12:51:57 GMT
They don't really seem like powerful buses These buses are gonna fly through the A406 man. The HVs are nowhere near as powerful. Will any bus really get up to speed in the A406? They will be in the inside lane and pulling into occasional stops and then having to gain speed again.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Dec 2, 2023 12:54:15 GMT
These buses are gonna fly through the A406 man. The HVs are nowhere near as powerful. Will any bus really get up to speed in the A406? They will be in the inside lane and pulling into occasional stops and then having to gain speed again. To be honest they shouldn't be pulling into stops that frequently as I believe a lot of them are at the exits. There's certainly enough room to get them to stretch their legs on these sections.
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Post by DT 11 on Dec 2, 2023 12:56:46 GMT
Before making judgments ask others point of view I would suggest. I have driven HTs which are the same as HAs and they are powerful and not to be underestimated. In addition there are plenty of routes using E40Hs on fast roads. The 405 is the most perfect example. The 428 would be another perfect example however none are at DT. The 405's batch are slightly different as they are Ultracaps, as are the Citys on the 20. But the standard battery E40Hs are used in outer London on routes like the 407. BT's 67reg ADHs also performed well up Stanmore Hill when they ran the 142. That could explain the weight difference between the 20 & 70 Regs. HT1-11, Weigh 11819 KG, HT12-28 Weigh 11157 KG
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Post by bmck on Dec 2, 2023 15:04:45 GMT
HA14 being used for type training. Looking forward to the change. I currently drive 141 at 20mph, so can't wait to er... Stretch my legs 😁
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Post by matthieu1221 on Dec 2, 2023 15:23:40 GMT
I remember the HAs when they first entered service, the first examples of ADL's new Enviro400 City bodywork to hit the streets towards the end of 2015. The Enviro400 City was aimed at the London contracts market and took its styling cues from the New Bus for London/New Routemaster. It was more expensive than the also recently-launched Enviro400 MMC and it didn't sell particularly well in London - but the surprise was when non-London operators started buying the City body style, looking for something with a bit more of a head-turning wow-factor. Some photos of HAs on route 78 on their first day in service, 7th December 2015: The New Enviro400H City by Julian Walker, on Flickr The New Enviro400H City by Julian Walker, on Flickr The New Enviro400H City by Julian Walker, on Flickr 341/365 - a photo a day for 2015 by Julian Walker, on Flickr A shame imo that the original MMC was superseded so quickly (though not a direct replacement in a sense) by the City. And of course the BYDs then only came with City bodywork. It most certainly does look bad but the MMC look has aged better in my opinion though the City look does fit quite nicely on the E200MMCs for some reason.
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Post by HV92 on Dec 2, 2023 15:41:12 GMT
HA14 has already arrived at AD ready for SL1 Attachments:
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Post by wirewiper on Dec 2, 2023 16:43:00 GMT
I remember the HAs when they first entered service, the first examples of ADL's new Enviro400 City bodywork to hit the streets towards the end of 2015. The Enviro400 City was aimed at the London contracts market and took its styling cues from the New Bus for London/New Routemaster. It was more expensive than the also recently-launched Enviro400 MMC and it didn't sell particularly well in London - but the surprise was when non-London operators started buying the City body style, looking for something with a bit more of a head-turning wow-factor. <snip> A shame imo that the original MMC was superseded so quickly (though not a direct replacement in a sense) by the City. And of course the BYDs then only came with City bodywork. It most certainly does look bad but the MMC look has aged better in my opinion though the City look does fit quite nicely on the E200MMCs for some reason. I think it was always the intention to offer the City alongside the MMC. The City was intended as more of a "bespoke" product that could be tailored more closely to an operator's specifications, whereas the MMC was seen as more of a mass-market model and a direct replacement for the original Enviro400. There have been some changes across the range, for instance glazed or unglazed staircases are an option now on both the City and the MMC.
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