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Post by Busboy105 on Dec 2, 2023 17:12:20 GMT
They don't really seem like powerful buses These buses are gonna fly through the A406 man. The HVs are nowhere near as powerful. I stand corrected. Looks like I've been proven very very wrong
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Post by LD71YLO (BE37054) on Dec 2, 2023 17:30:58 GMT
There are still the ex 133 and 333 HAs that need a new home after 133 and 333 go to their new operators perhaps the W3 will be there new home in January. Them HAs will probably be used for the SL2 That would mean you could get from Heathrow to North Woolwich using only Superloop routes, only Cities and only two operators!
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Post by Volvo on Dec 2, 2023 17:58:48 GMT
They don't really seem like powerful buses These buses are gonna fly through the A406 man. The HVs are nowhere near as powerful. I'm not being rude but you have no idea what you are talking about. Having driven plenty of B5LHs euro 5 and Euro 6 and driven a few Euro 5 and plenty of Euro 6 E400hs up and down the M1 running light between Edgware and Waford, also having driven HVs on the 123 especially HV221 which was unrestricted on the 123 and on rail replacement, Tower Hill to Barking of which I had to run light from Tottenham to Barking on the A406 which wthat thing flies and can go more than 50mph with ease!! Infact it tops out at 58 (it was used for a trip to Birmingham for the Tottenham bias drivers football club) all other Euro 6 B5LHs seem to be restricted to 43 and that's not because the battery is going to overheat. The B5LH is more suited to open high speed roads than the E400H but it's useless in stop and start situations, which is why I have always said the H12 should have B5LHs and the 79 ADHs. All E400Hs are limited to 45-47 because the battery starts to overheat and you get warnings on the dash, same as the e400 electrics. I once had a ADH on the 142 and there was a mess down @ Brent Cross and I was asked to run out of service down the M1 and everytime I hit 45/46 I got warnings about the battery getting too hot so had to slow down a bit to 42/43mph, you get no such warnings on a B5LH. On the E400H you can tell that 45-47mph is where it has reached its limit whereas on a B5LH when you hit 43 and even 47-50 on down hill sections of the A406 when I used to run light driving the 123 or even the 259 from Edmonton Green to Edmonton Garage or Stevenson's Way leading from the M1 into Watford, the B5LH still wants to go but you can tell it's artificially governed rather than that's it's max!
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Post by Volvo on Dec 2, 2023 18:03:26 GMT
The 405's batch are slightly different as they are Ultracaps, as are the Citys on the 20. But the standard battery E40Hs are used in outer London on routes like the 407. BT's 67reg ADHs also performed well up Stanmore Hill when they ran the 142. That could explain the weight difference between the 20 & 70 Regs. HT1-11, Weigh 11819 KG, HT12-28 Weigh 11157 KG Nothing to do with ultracrap or Battery versions bro. ADL buses have always been like this, same specification buses with different weights built at the same factory. I noticed this many many years ago and it's a trend that continues today. Like our DLEs for example between 2017-2018 are all different weights, yet same specification even the SN17xxx ones are different weight to the SN18 and SK68xxx ones and they were all built at Scarborough to the same spec.
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Post by COBO on Dec 2, 2023 18:26:50 GMT
Them HAs will probably be used for the SL2 That would mean you could get from Heathrow to North Woolwich using only Superloop routes, only Cities and only two operators! I would love to see a bit more diversity when it comes to the buses allocated to superloop routes and not just see cities.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Dec 2, 2023 19:10:55 GMT
They don't really seem like powerful buses These buses are gonna fly through the A406 man. The HVs are nowhere near as powerful. The HV's are no slouch, had one or two do some serious speeds without limiter on.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Dec 2, 2023 19:17:59 GMT
These buses are gonna fly through the A406 man. The HVs are nowhere near as powerful. Will any bus really get up to speed in the A406? They will be in the inside lane and pulling into occasional stops and then having to gain speed again. Yes there would, especially late evenings early mornings
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Post by capitalomnibus on Dec 2, 2023 19:26:13 GMT
I remember those S reg ADL's they were nasty. Nice when new but by the time they were transferred to [EC] for the W15 they were well and truly battered. It reminds me of the first batch of P reg ALX200 for the 230 after 5 years they were rolling wrecks, the faults they had on them was unbelievable and falling to pieces. The only thing decent was the exterior paintwork. I remember a lot of drivers did not want to drive the 230 because of the condition of them. Heck at times I remembered seeing it on the 173 around Beckton Asda. I preferred the X-reg ones. Oh yes I remembered the P-reg ones on the 230 which had the low floor bus writing on the side. Similar to the Wright pathfinders on the 101. I think the 167 and 20 back in it's grey green days also had their own P-reg buses but I think they were single doored. All the series 1 ALX200 got beaten out very quickly. Even those single door R reg ones on the 20 and 167 were like this. The W reg onwards series 2 with minor face-lift was much better. No way near the amount of bangs and noise and better electronic control with various control units.
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Post by VWH1413 on Dec 2, 2023 19:31:51 GMT
They don't really seem like powerful buses These buses are gonna fly through the A406 man. The HVs are nowhere near as powerful. Must disagree from a passenger perspective. From experience HVs have been very solid in the motorway when I was using 102 and 466. For instance I was on HV87 and HV51, and those were very rapid with that nice B5LH roaring which is just as good as a roaring E400 MMC. There have been few others as well. Much rather bump into those on the AD side. Think speed caps and also a properly working hybrid system play a part.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Dec 2, 2023 19:35:07 GMT
That could explain the weight difference between the 20 & 70 Regs. HT1-11, Weigh 11819 KG, HT12-28 Weigh 11157 KG Nothing to do with ultracrap or Battery versions bro. ADL buses have always been like this, same specification buses with different weights built at the same factory. I noticed this many many years ago and it's a trend that continues today. Like our DLEs for example between 2017-2018 are all different weights, yet same specification even the SN17xxx ones are different weight to the SN18 and SK68xxx ones and they were all built at Scarborough to the same spec. It is down to various things like wiring looms, other electronic control units or various engine ancillaries to do with batch weight differences. You could see this with various Tridents that were new, although you would even notice some had different interior window rubbers, where some had none new. There were minor differences, but on a weighbridge they would all add up
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Post by DT 11 on Dec 2, 2023 20:09:58 GMT
These buses are gonna fly through the A406 man. The HVs are nowhere near as powerful. The HV's are no slouch, had one or two do some serious speeds without limiter on. A HV can get up to speed quicker than at HT however a HT can breeze out a HV if driven properly.
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Post by DT 11 on Dec 2, 2023 20:12:05 GMT
Will any bus really get up to speed in the A406? They will be in the inside lane and pulling into occasional stops and then having to gain speed again. Yes there would, especially late evenings early mornings And Sundays too when it is quiet. The DLAs were monsters on the A406, never driven one in service but as Training vehicles. The 492s DWs was the closest thing to a DLA I’ve driven In service.
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Post by WH241 on Dec 2, 2023 20:12:54 GMT
Will any bus really get up to speed in the A406? They will be in the inside lane and pulling into occasional stops and then having to gain speed again. Yes there would, especially late evenings early mornings Fair enough I guess I am used to local buses and usually being behind StreettWrecks
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Post by capitalomnibus on Dec 2, 2023 22:08:47 GMT
Yes there would, especially late evenings early mornings And Sundays too when it is quiet. The DLAs were monsters on the A406, never driven one in service but as Training vehicles. The 492s DWs was the closest thing to a DLA I’ve driven In service. Those DW's from the South were practically the same. Drove a few of the ex 19 batch
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Post by Volvo on Dec 2, 2023 22:43:43 GMT
Nothing to do with ultracrap or Battery versions bro. ADL buses have always been like this, same specification buses with different weights built at the same factory. I noticed this many many years ago and it's a trend that continues today. Like our DLEs for example between 2017-2018 are all different weights, yet same specification even the SN17xxx ones are different weight to the SN18 and SK68xxx ones and they were all built at Scarborough to the same spec. It is down to various things like wiring looms, other electronic control units or various engine ancillaries to do with batch weight differences. You could see this with various Tridents that were new, although you would even notice some had different interior window rubbers, where some had none new. There were minor differences, but on a weighbridge they would all add up Thank you very much for that wonderful insight.
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