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Post by exbox on Dec 6, 2023 15:52:58 GMT
It doesn't need to be illegal to be forbidden by the company. Obviously but is it forbidden by the company? Someone on here will know, but in my experience U turns are generally forbidden everywhere. The long standing U turn on Waterloo Road by the Old Vic was abolished on safety grounds a few years back. Not sure if the Manor House one is still permitted, but the point is that drivers aren't permitted to create their own.
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Post by wirewiper on Dec 6, 2023 15:55:49 GMT
Obviously but is it forbidden by the company? Someone on here will know, but in my experience U turns are generally forbidden everywhere. The long standing U turn on Waterloo Road by the Old Vic was abolished on safety grounds a few years back. Not sure if the Manor House one is still permitted, but the point is that drivers aren't permitted to create their own. Manor House is still permitted, probably because of "Grandfather Rights" - it was established in 1936 when the first trolleybus route reached there and has been in continuous and regular use ever since.
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Post by greenboy on Dec 6, 2023 16:06:02 GMT
Obviously but is it forbidden by the company? Someone on here will know, but in my experience U turns are generally forbidden everywhere. The long standing U turn on Waterloo Road by the Old Vic was abolished on safety grounds a few years back. Not sure if the Manor House one is still permitted, but the point is that drivers aren't permitted to create their own. There have been several examples quoted on here of drivers doing U turns with or without company approval, I'm certainly not aware of any ban on unofficial U turns.
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Post by vjaska on Dec 6, 2023 16:27:15 GMT
Obviously but is it forbidden by the company? Someone on here will know, but in my experience U turns are generally forbidden everywhere. The long standing U turn on Waterloo Road by the Old Vic was abolished on safety grounds a few years back. Not sure if the Manor House one is still permitted, but the point is that drivers aren't permitted to create their own. The long standing U-turn on Waterloo Road is still there, just it's now controlled by traffic lights and used by various routes like the 139, similar to the one at Honor Oak for the 63
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Post by SouthLondoner468 on Dec 6, 2023 17:41:11 GMT
Someone on here will know, but in my experience U turns are generally forbidden everywhere. The long standing U turn on Waterloo Road by the Old Vic was abolished on safety grounds a few years back. Not sure if the Manor House one is still permitted, but the point is that drivers aren't permitted to create their own. There have been several examples quoted on here of drivers doing U turns with or without company approval, I'm certainly not aware of any ban on unofficial U turns. The Waterloo one by The Old Vic is still there as vjaska mentioned. The Manor House one for 279 also still exists. I don’t actually understand how that’s allowed— buses have to cross about 5 lanes, which aren’t controlled by traffic lights like the Waterloo one, meaning drivers just have to find an opportunity and swing out. And if the bus doesn’t turn into the first stop properly, or there are other buses already at the stop, it’ll mean the bus blocks the road towards Tottenham
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Post by greenboy on Dec 6, 2023 17:50:43 GMT
There have been several examples quoted on here of drivers doing U turns with or without company approval, I'm certainly not aware of any ban on unofficial U turns. The Waterloo one by The Old Vic is still there as vjaska mentioned. The Manor House one for 279 also still exists. I don’t actually understand how that’s allowed— buses have to cross about 5 lanes, which aren’t controlled by traffic lights like the Waterloo one, meaning drivers just have to find an opportunity and swing out. And if the bus doesn’t turn into the first stop properly, or there are other buses already at the stop, it’ll mean the bus blocks the road towards Tottenham I know although I must admit that I'm surprised that the Manor House one is still in situ.
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Post by southlondonbus on Dec 6, 2023 17:58:26 GMT
The Waterloo one by The Old Vic is still there as vjaska mentioned. The Manor House one for 279 also still exists. I don’t actually understand how that’s allowed— buses have to cross about 5 lanes, which aren’t controlled by traffic lights like the Waterloo one, meaning drivers just have to find an opportunity and swing out. And if the bus doesn’t turn into the first stop properly, or there are other buses already at the stop, it’ll mean the bus blocks the road towards Tottenham I know although I must admit that I'm surprised that the Manor House one is still in situ. I wonder if the central consultantion potentially had it in mind that it would remove the need for the Manor House U turn from the 279.
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Post by DT 11 on Dec 6, 2023 18:00:14 GMT
Someone on here will know, but in my experience U turns are generally forbidden everywhere. The long standing U turn on Waterloo Road by the Old Vic was abolished on safety grounds a few years back. Not sure if the Manor House one is still permitted, but the point is that drivers aren't permitted to create their own. There have been several examples quoted on here of drivers doing U turns with or without company approval, I'm certainly not aware of any ban on unofficial U turns. U Turns should not be done officially unless it is part of the Route record. As mentioned Honor Oak, Manor House, Waterloo are all official U Turns. As mentioned many times on here working to instruction. Temporary lights failure report it proceed with Care and Caution, Road blocked report it await further instructions. Companies will have not care for any excuses if you have an accident doing something unofficially even roads banned from light running is part of this too. At DT buses were banned from using Shepherds Lane to get to the A2 because of a resident complaining about the 160s DLAs and Trucks from the Royal Mail, sounds odd however in my opinion move house pack up and move to Cudham Lane, do not move to a busy main road if you do not like the noise… The Royal Mail did not respond, the most disturbing thing I found out about this when I first was told we should not be using it is… well it is a bus route the 492 serves that road. There have been many occasions where BN is blocked the official thing to do is run light to Streatham Church and turn around… well simple the shunters need to move the buses into the garage quickly. On Streatham High Road the exit to from Aldi is left turn only the amount of traffic I’ve seen go through the No Entry section is actually shocking.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Dec 6, 2023 23:04:10 GMT
There have been several examples quoted on here of drivers doing U turns with or without company approval, I'm certainly not aware of any ban on unofficial U turns. The Waterloo one by The Old Vic is still there as vjaska mentioned. The Manor House one for 279 also still exists. I don’t actually understand how that’s allowed— buses have to cross about 5 lanes, which aren’t controlled by traffic lights like the Waterloo one, meaning drivers just have to find an opportunity and swing out. And if the bus doesn’t turn into the first stop properly, or there are other buses already at the stop, it’ll mean the bus blocks the road towards Tottenham I am not aware of any serious accidents of buses doing the Manor House u-turn. I do not see nothing wrong with it. It is NOT crossing 5 lanes as you say. Because technically the bus already is in the bus lane, so it then take two lanes and is protected by a central reservation. It is then a matter of waiting for a break in the traffic on the other side to get past which it is easy. I have done the turn many times and NEVER had any problems. Even coming out initially from the bus lane stand you would get a break in traffic due to the traffic lights at the Lordship Rd/Woodberry Grove junction.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Dec 6, 2023 23:13:31 GMT
The Waterloo one by The Old Vic is still there as vjaska mentioned. The Manor House one for 279 also still exists. I don’t actually understand how that’s allowed— buses have to cross about 5 lanes, which aren’t controlled by traffic lights like the Waterloo one, meaning drivers just have to find an opportunity and swing out. And if the bus doesn’t turn into the first stop properly, or there are other buses already at the stop, it’ll mean the bus blocks the road towards Tottenham I am not aware of any serious accidents of buses doing the Manor House u-turn. I do not see nothing wrong with it. It is NOT crossing 5 lanes as you say. Because technically the bus already is in the bus lane, so it then take two lanes and is protected by a central reservation. It is then a matter of waiting for a break in the traffic on the other side to get past which it is easy. I have done the turn many times and NEVER had any problems. Even coming out initially from the bus lane stand you would get a break in traffic due to the traffic lights at the Lordship Rd/Woodberry Grove junction. Was thinking its not as bad as it may seem, the EL1 and 169 have to perform a similar move leaving the Chapel Road stop where they need go cross the entire road to ensure they're in the right lane to get to Barking.
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Post by ServerKing on Dec 7, 2023 4:21:10 GMT
The Waterloo one by The Old Vic is still there as vjaska mentioned. The Manor House one for 279 also still exists. I don’t actually understand how that’s allowed— buses have to cross about 5 lanes, which aren’t controlled by traffic lights like the Waterloo one, meaning drivers just have to find an opportunity and swing out. And if the bus doesn’t turn into the first stop properly, or there are other buses already at the stop, it’ll mean the bus blocks the road towards Tottenham I am not aware of any serious accidents of buses doing the Manor House u-turn. I do not see nothing wrong with it. It is NOT crossing 5 lanes as you say. Because technically the bus already is in the bus lane, so it then take two lanes and is protected by a central reservation. It is then a matter of waiting for a break in the traffic on the other side to get past which it is easy. I have done the turn many times and NEVER had any problems. Even coming out initially from the bus lane stand you would get a break in traffic due to the traffic lights at the Lordship Rd/Woodberry Grove junction. I've seen car and van drivers make more serious U turns on the A10 next to South Tottenham Tesco ![:o](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/shocked.png) (usually to get around a banned turn onto Broad Lane, the A503 towards Walthamstow if driving up the A10 from Stamford Hill). There is never any problem with the 279 buses turning at Manor House. Hopefully the DW's Electroliner successors will possess a good turning circle (any more progress on Enfield's unique charging problems?) ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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Post by capitalomnibus on Dec 7, 2023 6:52:04 GMT
I am not aware of any serious accidents of buses doing the Manor House u-turn. I do not see nothing wrong with it. It is NOT crossing 5 lanes as you say. Because technically the bus already is in the bus lane, so it then take two lanes and is protected by a central reservation. It is then a matter of waiting for a break in the traffic on the other side to get past which it is easy. I have done the turn many times and NEVER had any problems. Even coming out initially from the bus lane stand you would get a break in traffic due to the traffic lights at the Lordship Rd/Woodberry Grove junction. I've seen car and van drivers make more serious U turns on the A10 next to South Tottenham Tesco ![:o](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/shocked.png) (usually to get around a banned turn onto Broad Lane, the A503 towards Walthamstow if driving up the A10 from Stamford Hill). There is never any problem with the 279 buses turning at Manor House. Hopefully the DW's Electroliner successors will possess a good turning circle (any more progress on Enfield's unique charging problems?) ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) Or Monument Way coming from The Hale/Hale Rd people doing U turns to get into Park View Rd. The blue Electoliner that was hired already done that turn at Manor House, had no problems whatsoever
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Post by borneobus on Dec 7, 2023 8:33:34 GMT
I am not aware of any serious accidents of buses doing the Manor House u-turn. I do not see nothing wrong with it. It is NOT crossing 5 lanes as you say. Because technically the bus already is in the bus lane, so it then take two lanes and is protected by a central reservation. It is then a matter of waiting for a break in the traffic on the other side to get past which it is easy. I have done the turn many times and NEVER had any problems. Even coming out initially from the bus lane stand you would get a break in traffic due to the traffic lights at the Lordship Rd/Woodberry Grove junction. I've seen car and van drivers make more serious U turns on the A10 next to South Tottenham Tesco ![:o](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/shocked.png) (usually to get around a banned turn onto Broad Lane, the A503 towards Walthamstow if driving up the A10 from Stamford Hill). There is never any problem with the 279 buses turning at Manor House. Hopefully the DW's Electroliner successors will possess a good turning circle (any more progress on Enfield's unique charging problems?) ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) Agreed, I’m not local but two things I’ve noticed on the part of Seven Sisters Road where the 279 u-turns 1) it’s a lot wider then many London roads 2) it’s a lot quieter (when I’ve been there) then many London roads.
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Post by adl on Dec 8, 2023 13:51:11 GMT
Do all the WN vehicles have blinds for the 329. If I’m not mistaken AD blinds include WN routes.
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Post by richard on Dec 8, 2023 14:04:32 GMT
Do all the WN vehicles have blinds for the 329. If I’m not mistaken AD blinds include WN routes. The Gemini 2 HVs have all AD routes on them not sure about the Ts and Gemini 3s
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