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Post by mark on Dec 26, 2023 7:56:59 GMT
All of Reading’s hybrids have been converted to straight diesel drivelines. I said that but wirewiper with his excellent knowledge on Reading has put that straight with the X4 ones still retaining their hybrid drivelines I beg to differ - the attached fleet list, produced by the operator, gives the detail. images.reading-buses.co.uk/downloads/Fleet%20List%202022-01.pdf
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Post by ServerKing on Dec 26, 2023 14:59:15 GMT
The reason why I thought it was a Hybrid is cos it still had the info e.g cleaner promotion etc inside the bus on the top deck. I still believe hybrids better. Buses last longer. TfL Enfield wasting money on electric country they're not even ready for FTFY 307 rollout has been the most disastrous yet But I think with the ever dropping road speeds thanks to TfL, these electrics will never get worn out from thrashing As for the "Hybrid" stuff, it seems they pollute more than a conventional diesel with stop start... technically LTs run like diesel trains with the diesel engine acting as a generator to drive the electric traction motor... most buses I have seen have barely run in full electric mode. Smaller engines will still be thrashed getting a heavy bus with all its electrical gubbins on the move. The most convincing I've seen has been the ADL E400 Smart Hybrid where small electric motor assists the engine
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Post by cybermike137 on Dec 26, 2023 15:07:19 GMT
I still believe hybrids better. Buses last longer. TfL Enfield wasting money on electric country they're not even ready for FTFY 307 rollout has been the most disastrous yet But I think with the ever dropping road speeds thanks to TfL, these electrics will never get worn out from thrashing As for the "Hybrid" stuff, it seems they pollute more than a conventional diesel with stop start... technically LTs run like diesel trains with the diesel engine acting as a generator to drive the ecectric traction motor... most buses I have seen have barely run in full electric mode. Smaller engines will still be thrashed getting a heavy bus with all its electrical gubbins on the move. The most convincing I've seen has been the ADL E400 Smart Hybrid where small electric motor assists the engine I think the 64s electrics rollout has been absolutely more disastrous, electrification works started in May, 2 arrived in July and then no news since, some should have entered service in August, and still 4 months later still no type training no news of anything.
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Post by mondraker275 on Dec 26, 2023 16:19:03 GMT
158s need a clean...
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Post by SouthLondoner468 on Dec 26, 2023 16:56:19 GMT
Erm… ENX28 is on 255
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Post by SouthLondoner468 on Dec 26, 2023 18:21:25 GMT
Which has now resulted in ENL51 on 410 😂
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Post by YY13VKP on Dec 26, 2023 19:51:59 GMT
Nothing too unusual about that. Whilst it is rare, all of the 289’s ENX’s apart from ENX8 have done the 255 before.
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Post by DE20106 on Dec 26, 2023 20:02:41 GMT
Nothing too unusual about that. Whilst it is rare, all of the 289’s ENX’s apart from ENX8 have done the 255 before. Does that mean the 255 can take longer 10.9 buses regularly then? Or are we just talking about the odd working where its length isn’t too problematic if it’s the only long bus on it?
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Post by ServerKing on Dec 26, 2023 20:25:37 GMT
I see a lot of filthy buses this time of year. Wondering where EN38 has gotten to, hasn't been on the 318 for weeks... whilst the 3 remaining E200 Darts cling on for dear life working every day surprised Enfield cannot send over 3 MMCs to replace these
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Post by sp17 on Dec 26, 2023 22:43:25 GMT
I’m wondering the same about ADL hybrids, I cannot believe the 2014 ones are starting to turn 10 already with how flawless their performance generally is There’s no question of it the ADL hybrid system is vastly superior to the Volvos, even if they’re more flammable 😂 although the Volvos have a higher top speed iirc, that doesn’t usually matter though for gridlocked London roads. That only matters for routes like the SL1 I think you find the Volvo is actually more reliable than the BAE Hybrid system which ADL use. They’re both different and the Volvo really isn’t a city bus it’s more suited to inter-urban work whereas the BAE is. That said I’m not sure why companies in London ordered so many B5LHs but I guess reliability is a factor and who wouldn’t want a fleet of Volvos anyway? Sterling buses to drive and nice to ride as a passenger.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Dec 27, 2023 18:20:25 GMT
I don't know if is just me, I've noticed how terrible Tottenham AR Gemini 3 buses have gotten. The buses have flat batteries, and some can't climb up the Hill. Sounds like AR batch Gemini 3s starting to overrev due to the long term flat battery issue causing slow acceleration. A very common issue across all garages, companies and Volvo batches. I believe the WN Gemini 3 batch had gotten new batteries recently alongside their refurbishments. Most 17 reg stuff having this issue now due to being 6/7 years old. For some reason it takes 1-2 years to sort out. This is starting to happen to many Gemini 3's now, was happening to the Gemini 2 around 3 years ago until the all got the main hybrid batteries replaced. at near £35k which includes warranty and coding to the bus it is not cheap!
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Post by capitalomnibus on Dec 27, 2023 18:21:34 GMT
Sounds like AR batch Gemini 3s starting to overrev due to the long term flat battery issue causing slow acceleration. A very common issue across all garages, companies and Volvo batches. I believe the WN Gemini 3 batch had gotten new batteries recently alongside their refurbishments. Most 17 reg stuff having this issue now due to being 6/7 years old. For some reason it takes 1-2 years to sort out. Batteries only lasting 6/7 years really isn’t very good, I see why hybrids didn’t really catch on outside of London. More expensive to buy AND huge midlife running costs due to battery replacement, not to mention the waste. After the second battery cycle that really only limits a very expensive bus to 14 years use. Thats terrible! How do ADL hybrids compare? Are the first of the 2nd generation ADL hybrids (like the 14-regs on the 156, 205 and 345) still on their original batteries? I dread to think of how this would be with electric buses in a few years time.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Dec 27, 2023 18:23:32 GMT
That proves that ADL does a better job than Wright Buses, in terms of reliability and performance That is nonsense. After all the same problem with happen to EHV's which are Volvo's bodied by ADL. The reliability of the E400H are just as bad with loads of electrical problems.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Dec 27, 2023 19:02:38 GMT
I still believe hybrids better. Buses last longer. TfL Enfield wasting money on electric country they're not even ready for FTFY 307 rollout has been the most disastrous yet But I think with the ever dropping road speeds thanks to TfL, these electrics will never get worn out from thrashing As for the "Hybrid" stuff, it seems they pollute more than a conventional diesel with stop start... technically LTs run like diesel trains with the diesel engine acting as a generator to drive the electric traction motor... most buses I have seen have barely run in full electric mode. Smaller engines will still be thrashed getting a heavy bus with all its electrical gubbins on the move. The most convincing I've seen has been the ADL E400 Smart Hybrid where small electric motor assists the engine Some LT's can run a long time in electric mode, depends on the driver action. Was on the route 5 with one that was in electric mode from Queens Hospital to the Asda roundabout one stop before the stand. I used to do it with HA's to see how long the distance I could go in electric mode. They did some good distances as long as you kept it below 13mph, any higher the engine would always fire up.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Dec 27, 2023 19:08:06 GMT
I think most buses do. Seen loads over the past few weeks a mess. Whilst night time temperatures are not sub zero, I am not sure why many bus washes are not being used. I was on a 365 last week that had a load of mens genitalia drawn on the outside from the dirt, it was hilarious. The ones I have noticed ultra filthy are [NP], [EC], [RM], [RR], [E], [AR], [AD], [WN] [DX] [GY]. Although some of the garages would have taken a bit or road dirt on the rainy days running light on the A13, A406 etc. where there is a lot of road spray.
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