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Post by southlondonbus on Jan 19, 2024 13:34:26 GMT
I wonder how many hybrids will leave BN as BN have 7 spare electrolinere and a coupe of spare Eas (?) meaning if they intend to keep the spare Electrics at BN all but a few hybrids will be surplus. Do we have any idea where the Gemini 2 HVs, HAs or the 2 Gemini 3 HVs are heading after today? There would be: 27 x Spare HAs (Some still spare from the 78.) 2x Spare 17 reg HVs Over 30x Spare HVs (Gemini 2) Lots of which aren’t in service today. The HV’s at BN started to be withdrawn back in November as ES’s entered service so I suspect the 50 may be left with a part HV & ES allocation from this weekend onwards simply because TH isn’t ready to take on its ES’s. All the EA’s are allocated to the 319 so no electric will leave BN A lot of speculation is suggesting that the HA’s are earmarked for the SL2. I suppose there wouldn't be enough chargers just from the 417 go convert the 50 to ES using all the intended ones from the 64 on the 50 till TH can take them? |
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Post by billa on Jan 19, 2024 13:36:04 GMT
The HAs will go to DX for Route SL2. The remaining fleet no idea… HV322 & 323 I would not be surprised if they go to N as refurb float for the 2 & 249. There would be about 9 excess HAs is there a chance they also may head to DX to keep them together and avoid introducing them at a new garage and be used on the 175/150 replacing a few of the older DWs or Ts. I know the tender results for both routes aren’t out yet but I’d imagine they could be replaced early anyway with so many newer DWs/Ts becoming available such as the W3, 279, there’s also still some of the ex 417/160/157/368 Ts sitting around, 30-40 odd Gemini 2 HVs, soon to be the 242s Ex HVs spare (Likely to the W3) etc Likelihood is the extra HA's and 242 HV's will both go to WN for the W3, with the spare buses freeing up some 11 reg DW's to go elsewhere in the process. The problem if they were to send the extra HA's to DX for the 150's and 175's is they would then have to type train all the drivers on them, which is a bit of a logistical nightmare because not many of them are as sad as me to come on their day off to learn how to drive the new bus type  . We're having similar problems at AE at the moment due to the lack of LT's. They're putting the odd HA sometimes two of them on the 254 which is great on paper until the bus reaches the changeover and the next driver calls us up going "I dont know how to drive a HA". |
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Post by WH241 on Jan 19, 2024 14:00:48 GMT
Won’t some hybrids need to be kept back for when the electrics at BN eventually go to their intended routes?
Are some of the ES not due to move to TH?
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Post by vjaska on Jan 19, 2024 14:24:37 GMT
And you know those traffic lights don't last for long before it changes thus causing a tailback. You drivers on the 249 I have to give you folks my props for that swing you have to do on that junction but more so in the direction of Clapham Common. Have to say I think the crown for the most dangerous junction has now been taken by the SL1, having to pull out from the Ravenside Industrial Estate bus stop right across a slip road and back on the fast A406. That’s an absolute disaster waiting to happen Being pedantic but what you described isn't really a junction  That said, doesn't make it any safer as you mention. St Leonards Church is a very dangerous junction despite modifications made to that junction, it's simply unable to handle the volume of traffic it sees |
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Post by vjaska on Jan 19, 2024 14:28:39 GMT
The HV’s at BN started to be withdrawn back in November as ES’s entered service so I suspect the 50 may be left with a part HV & ES allocation from this weekend onwards simply because TH isn’t ready to take on its ES’s. All the EA’s are allocated to the 319 so no electric will leave BN A lot of speculation is suggesting that the HA’s are earmarked for the SL2. I suppose there wouldn't be enough chargers just from the 417 go convert the 50 to ES using all the intended ones from the 64 on the 50 till TH can take them? TBH, not sure but if I was to guess, I probably think they don't have enough to do that. If they do though, then it wouldn't surprise me to see the 50 fully convert which would then leave TH even more time to get the whole garage ready for when the rest of it's ES's and the batch of GB Kites arrive. The 64 could continue with it's T's in the meantime. |
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Post by vjaska on Jan 19, 2024 14:31:38 GMT
The HAs will go to DX for Route SL2. The remaining fleet no idea… HV322 & 323 I would not be surprised if they go to N as refurb float for the 2 & 249. There would be about 9 excess HAs is there a chance they also may head to DX to keep them together and avoid introducing them at a new garage and be used on the 175/150 replacing a few of the older DWs or Ts. I know the tender results for both routes aren’t out yet but I’d imagine they could be replaced early anyway with so many newer DWs/Ts becoming available such as the W3, 279, there’s also still some of the ex 417/160/157/368 Ts sitting around, 30-40 odd Gemini 2 HVs, soon to be the 242s Ex HVs spare (Likely to the W3) etc I believe the 289 is receiving the ex 160 & 417 T's to release it's ENX's to the SL5 so that would leave a small number of available T's from the 157 & 368 though I believe the 59 reg T's from the 157 are heading off lease like the rest of the batch a while ago so that decreases the amount of available T's further |
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Post by DT 11 on Jan 19, 2024 14:31:40 GMT
Have to say I think the crown for the most dangerous junction has now been taken by the SL1, having to pull out from the Ravenside Industrial Estate bus stop right across a slip road and back on the fast A406. That’s an absolute disaster waiting to happen Being pedantic but what you described isn't really a junction That said, doesn't make it any safer as you mention. St Leonards Church is a very dangerous junction despite modifications made to that junction, it's simply unable to handle the volume of traffic it sees I agree whenever I do the 249 I take up both lanes there road users are to stupid even when I do parasites creep into the nearside of the bus trying to get in front before I make the turn.I made some parasite reverse because if they did not the overhang of the bus would scrape there car… why do I have to use that word because that particular road user has no brain driving the car fast like a race… simple they will do anything to get in front of a bus and are that stupid to realise it will probably stop at the next stop. |
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Post by vjaska on Jan 19, 2024 14:34:37 GMT
Being pedantic but what you described isn't really a junction That said, doesn't make it any safer as you mention. St Leonards Church is a very dangerous junction despite modifications made to that junction, it's simply unable to handle the volume of traffic it sees I agree whenever I do the 249 I take up both lanes there road users are to stupid even when I do parasites creep into the nearside of the bus trying to get in front before I make the turn.I made some parasite reverse because if they did not the overhang of the bus would scrape there car… why do I have to use that word because that particular road user has no brain driving the car fast like a race… simple they will do anything to get in front of a bus and are that stupid to realise it will probably stop at the next stop. The worse thing was they used to be a tiny traffic island that would separate traffic turning left (like the 249) and everything else heading towards Streatham Hill which literally asked for trouble as that island was hit multiple times by left turning vehicles - don't think I ever witnessed a bus hit it though. |
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Post by MKAY315 on Jan 19, 2024 14:37:48 GMT
And you know those traffic lights don't last for long before it changes thus causing a tailback. You drivers on the 249 I have to give you folks my props for that swing you have to do on that junction but more so in the direction of Clapham Common. Have to say I think the crown for the most dangerous junction has now been taken by the SL1, having to pull out from the Ravenside Industrial Estate bus stop right across a slip road and back on the fast A406. That’s an absolute disaster waiting to happen I know exactly that bus stop you're talking about. All it will take is one maniac to drive fast and the bus to pull out because in effect you're crossing over into two lanes. |
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Post by MKAY315 on Jan 19, 2024 14:42:59 GMT
And you know those traffic lights don't last for long before it changes thus causing a tailback. You drivers on the 249 I have to give you folks my props for that swing you have to do on that junction but more so in the direction of Clapham Common. That junction has been an accident hotspot for as long as I’m alive - was even worse as a pedestrian and there has been multiple accidents there over the years. It also doesn’t help the fact that particular section of the A23 is full of congestion along with Tooting Bec Gardens Surely there must be a way to have a think about how they can somewhat make the junction safer than it is at the moment. (Going a bit off topic here folks) There's two junctions I can think off from the top of my head. The lodge Avenue to the A13 roundabout. It was only around 2006 that traffic lights was installed there and the junction around Becontree Avenue and Bennetts Castle Lane springs to mind when I'd visit some friends around Becontree. |
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Post by YX10FFN on Jan 19, 2024 14:55:14 GMT
The 133 leaves BN tonight, and despite only being with Arriva for the past 2 contracts, the route has decades of history at BN, with its sunday service first being run from there in 1952 and week-round service from 1964, all the way up until 1990 when it was awarded to London General on tender. Back in 1964 the route managed to span from Hendon to South Croydon on Sundays! The route will now have been run by all three of Inner South London's operators when it moves over to QB tomorrow.
The final bus will be running number BN 5, worked by HV33 LJ11EFZ. 0115 departure from Streatham.
The 333 returns to its home of SW tomorrow, having been operated there from its introduction in 2003 until 2017.
Last bus is BN 142, worked by HA53 LK66HCE. 0115 departure from Elephant & Castle.
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Post by vjaska on Jan 19, 2024 14:55:49 GMT
That junction has been an accident hotspot for as long as I’m alive - was even worse as a pedestrian and there has been multiple accidents there over the years. It also doesn’t help the fact that particular section of the A23 is full of congestion along with Tooting Bec Gardens Surely there must be a way to have a think about how they can somewhat make the junction safer than it is at the moment. (Going a bit off topic here folks) There's two junctions I can think off from the top of my head. The lodge Avenue to the A13 roundabout. It was only around 2006 that traffic lights was installed there and the junction around Becontree Avenue and Bennetts Castle Lane springs to mind when I'd visit some friends around Becontree. They modified it about 5-10 years ago by removing the tiny traffic island where the 249, 315 & G1 turns left onto Mitcham Lane and removed the pedestrian crossing on Streatham High Road next to Stanhorpe Road whilst adding red & green man signals to the crossing by the 249, 315 & G1 left turn but beyond that, nothing much has been done - hasn't made much difference that's for sure. |
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Post by DT 11 on Jan 19, 2024 15:01:29 GMT
The 133 leaves BN tonight, and despite only being with Arriva for the past 2 contracts, the route has decades of history at BN, with its sunday service first being run from there in 1952 and week-round service from 1964, all the way up until 1990 when it was awarded to London General on tender. Back in 1964 the route managed to span from Hendon to South Croydon on Sundays! The route will now have been run by all three of Inner South London's operators when it moves over to QB tomorrow. The final bus will be running number BN 5, worked by HV33 LJ11EFZ. 0115 departure from Streatham. The 333 returns to its home of SW tomorrow, having been operated there from its introduction in 2003 until 2017. Last bus is BN 142, worked by HA53 LK66HCE. 0115 departure from Elephant & Castle. In addition the 137 returns fully to BN from tomorrow completely ending Norwoods involvement with the entire 137/N137 137A to 417 group. 7 years of split allocation. I believe there are no routes running split allocation as long as the 137 in the past 10+ years. |
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Post by cybermike137 on Jan 19, 2024 15:46:54 GMT
Interesting catch, I have seen ENX11 going down Addiscombe road and Shirley Library with guys wearing hi-vis jackets, I'm guessing they are route learning the SL5
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Post by allentc on Jan 19, 2024 16:15:41 GMT
I agree whenever I do the 249 I take up both lanes there road users are to stupid even when I do parasites creep into the nearside of the bus trying to get in front before I make the turn.I made some parasite reverse because if they did not the overhang of the bus would scrape there car… why do I have to use that word because that particular road user has no brain driving the car fast like a race… simple they will do anything to get in front of a bus and are that stupid to realise it will probably stop at the next stop. I've never seen a junction where so many people use the wrong lane. There are three lanes at St Leonard's Church yet I can't fathom why so many choose the left hand lane to turn right to head towards Streatham station. Since when do you use the left land most lane to turn right?! The left hand lane is to go up Streatham High Road towards Streatham Hill station. The centre lane is to turn right to head towards Streatham Station. The right hand lane is to go on to Mitcham Lane. In fact it is signposted as that and there are arrows painted on the road. Instead you get people in the left hand lane fighting those rightly in the centre lane to turn right once they cross the lights. It is not just a few cars, I'd estimate that 75%+ of people in the left hand most lane turn right once across the lights.
I have every sympathy that you have to take up both lanes because if you stayed in the centre lane you'd have numpties in the left hand lane trying to go up the outside of the bus as you swing right towards Streatham station.
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. We're having similar problems at AE at the moment due to the lack of LT's. They're putting the odd HA sometimes two of them on the 254 which is great on paper until the bus reaches the changeover and the next driver calls us up going "I dont know how to drive a HA". 
That said, doesn't make it any safer as you mention.
