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Post by enviroPB on Jan 19, 2024 21:21:22 GMT
all im gonna say is that the SL2 should of been allocated with HVs (G2s and maybe the G1s) from the 133 as their contract only lasts for 2 years Disagree… For once at least some routes are not receiving such old and tired hand me down buses and the fact it is a new route offering a newer type is better. In addition when it does go Electric if retained, there is no guarantee it will happen straight away same goes for the SL1… SL5 & SL7 have/will have the oldest buses at least the rest is new / newish… You've just highlighted to me that the SL5, SL6 and SL7 will all serve Croydon town centre. I hope it won't be too confusing for passengers differentiating between the routes there, though admittedly not so much with the SL5 with its single decker allocation. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jan 19, 2024 21:25:06 GMT
Disagree… For once at least some routes are not receiving such old and tired hand me down buses and the fact it is a new route offering a newer type is better. In addition when it does go Electric if retained, there is no guarantee it will happen straight away same goes for the SL1… SL5 & SL7 have/will have the oldest buses at least the rest is new / newish… You've just highlighted to me that the SL5, SL6 and SL7 will all serve Croydon town centre. I hope it won't be too confusing for passengers differentiating between the routes there, though admittedly not so much with the SL5 with its single decker allocation. Shouldn't be too hard, if the pax of Barking can differentiate between the EL1, EL2 and EL3 which all look identical then the SL5, SL6 and SL7 should be relatively easy because as you say the SL5 is single decker, the SL6 is limited hours and the SL7 will be the full time double decker route. |
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Post by PGAT on Jan 19, 2024 21:25:15 GMT
SL6 only goes as far as West Croydon at peak times only, I doubt that will cause much confusion
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Post by londonbuses on Jan 19, 2024 21:31:59 GMT
SL5 & SL7 have/will have the oldest buses at least the rest is new / newish… The SL7 will probably have the oldest buses on the TfL network when its contract ends in April 2025 (or the second oldest if the ENs on the 318 manage to last another year!). |
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Post by SouthLondoner468 on Jan 19, 2024 21:33:18 GMT
Disagree… For once at least some routes are not receiving such old and tired hand me down buses and the fact it is a new route offering a newer type is better. In addition when it does go Electric if retained, there is no guarantee it will happen straight away same goes for the SL1… SL5 & SL7 have/will have the oldest buses at least the rest is new / newish… You've just highlighted to me that the SL5, SL6 and SL7 will all serve Croydon town centre. I hope it won't be too confusing for passengers differentiating between the routes there, though admittedly not so much with the SL5 with its single decker allocation. SL6 does not serve Croydon Town Centre, meaning it won’t meet the SL5. SL5 will only meet SL7 in Croydon, and SL3 in Bromley. I doubt people will find it difficult to differentiate between them, as they have completely different buses and blind displays. They won’t even share the same bus stop— yes they’ll both serve East Croydon Station, but not the same stop. |
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Post by vjaska on Jan 19, 2024 22:28:03 GMT
Hopefully you’re right. Will be a disgrace if SL5 indeed getting hand me downs close to 15 years, even if diesels. To be fair they are only nearly 12 years old  and it is only short term I can’t believe we’re debating 2012 vehicles being old tbh 😭😭 I remember going on 2012 vehicles in London brand new like yesterday Those 12 reg ENX's are dreadful though, easily the SL5 will have the worst buses and that's even including the fact the SL3 will have LT's - least they can actually move at a decent pace. |
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Post by SILENCED on Jan 19, 2024 23:37:55 GMT
Judging by the number of HVs on the 137 tonight, I am presming the N137 is from N tonight?
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jan 20, 2024 3:22:42 GMT
And you know those traffic lights don't last for long before it changes thus causing a tailback. You drivers on the 249 I have to give you folks my props for that swing you have to do on that junction but more so in the direction of Clapham Common. Have to say I think the crown for the most dangerous junction has now been taken by the SL1, having to pull out from the Ravenside Industrial Estate bus stop right across a slip road and back on the fast A406. That’s an absolute disaster waiting to happen They are NOT meant to be doing that and are meant to go down the slip road like the 34 then come back out the other side. The only way it would be allowed was if there was slow moving traffic. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jan 20, 2024 3:29:10 GMT
There would be about 9 excess HAs is there a chance they also may head to DX to keep them together and avoid introducing them at a new garage and be used on the 175/150 replacing a few of the older DWs or Ts. I know the tender results for both routes aren’t out yet but I’d imagine they could be replaced early anyway with so many newer DWs/Ts becoming available such as the W3, 279, there’s also still some of the ex 417/160/157/368 Ts sitting around, 30-40 odd Gemini 2 HVs, soon to be the 242s Ex HVs spare (Likely to the W3) etc Likelihood is the extra HA's and 242 HV's will both go to WN for the W3, with the spare buses freeing up some 11 reg DW's to go elsewhere in the process. The problem if they were to send the extra HA's to DX for the 150's and 175's is they would then have to type train all the drivers on them, which is a bit of a logistical nightmare because not many of them are as sad as me to come on their day off to learn how to drive the new bus type  . We're having similar problems at AE at the moment due to the lack of LT's. They're putting the odd HA sometimes two of them on the 254 which is great on paper until the bus reaches the changeover and the next driver calls us up going "I dont know how to drive a HA". It would not happen to please a certain few to send the buses to [DX] as the garage is not like it was in Grey-Green days or "Arriva London North East" when anything was sent there and type training did not exist. It would mean the driver would get paid 1 hour for type training which usually involves taking 3 drivers off at once, usually after duty finished or before duty has started and type training 2-4 drivers at once with an exterior/interior walk around check then each completing around a 15-20 minute drive of the bus. Plus there would need to be an order of new blindsets which are expensive and hardly done. Even the ones recently order for the SL1 were inserts and practically were cut and joined into the existing [AE] blind set and re-programmed. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jan 20, 2024 3:35:47 GMT
I wonder how many hybrids will leave BN as BN have 7 spare electrolinere and a coupe of spare Eas (?) meaning if they intend to keep the spare Electrics at BN all but a few hybrids will be surplus. Do we have any idea where the Gemini 2 HVs, HAs or the 2 Gemini 3 HVs are heading after today? There would be: 27 x Spare HAs (Some still spare from the 78.) 2x Spare 17 reg HVs Over 30x Spare HVs (Gemini 2) Lots of which aren’t in service today. Some would be transferred to other garages as loans ASAP to cover long term unfits. |
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Jan 20, 2024 6:17:37 GMT
Route 254 is scheduled to move into [SF] on 24 February 2024, from this date [AE] would no longer be used. The 76 would be transferred to start at [SF] when won on 23 March 2024 It would have been a better nod to history had route 76 returned to AR and 149 reallocated to SF. |
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Jan 20, 2024 6:30:18 GMT
If there are enough spare hybrids after the loss of routes 133/333 & 242, even after some are absorbed by routes SL2 & W3, I think these will be earmarked for potential 3-year retentions of routes in Romford or Bexleyheath.
As it is, I think the average bus age in Romford is among the highest in London.
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Post by DT 11 on Jan 20, 2024 7:42:54 GMT
Route 254 is scheduled to move into [SF] on 24 February 2024, from this date [AE] would no longer be used. The 76 would be transferred to start at [SF] when won on 23 March 2024 It would have been a better nod to history had route 76 returned to AR and 149 reallocated to SF. Moving the 149 for no reason makes no sense. AR has the space to run the 76 because of PVR cuts plus the space will be needed for Electrification for the 243. Placing the 76 at SF makes sense as it is a route gain and can run alongside the 254 rather than opening the garage to run 1 route. If there are enough spare hybrids after the loss of routes 133/333 & 242, even after some are absorbed by routes SL2 & W3, I think these will be earmarked for potential 3-year retentions of routes in Romford or Bexleyheath. As it is, I think the average bus age in Romford is among the highest in London. Hopefully routes in those areas get something new instead of hand me downs… |
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Post by WH241 on Jan 20, 2024 9:44:43 GMT
Arriva in the south of London outside of what I really know but looking on LVF it seems all the extra ES's are not being used now? I think I am right they were only being used at BN because route 64 is not ready for them?
Route 50 seems to have kept the older HVs.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2024 9:50:58 GMT
Arriva in the south of London outside of what I really know but looking on LVF it seems all the extra ES's are not being used now? I think I am right they were only being used at BN because route 64 is not ready for them?
Route 50 seems to have kept the older HVs.
It's too early to judge, it's a Saturday so fewer buses are needed and I would assume quite a few ESs would've ran into BN early this morning about 1-3 AM so wouldn't be out straight away. |
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and it is only short term
. We're having similar problems at AE at the moment due to the lack of LT's. They're putting the odd HA sometimes two of them on the 254 which is great on paper until the bus reaches the changeover and the next driver calls us up going "I dont know how to drive a HA". 
