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Post by DE20106 on Feb 9, 2024 13:58:41 GMT
That would use the ones from the 243 quite well with the 34 and the 141 potentially also staying hybrid on a 3 year term. That would potentially leave the east London routes (66, 103, 150, 175, 370) all to use a large new batch of buses like happened in Croydon. Arriva will probably need to be weary of Metroline on at least the 41, the 17 going fully LT will release a handful of BDEs that are effectively garage bound to HT assuming they use the earlier proprietary charger, a part existing electric allocation could cause an issue for Arriva on the 41 if they in turn go for a full new electric allocation. The East London tenders while similar to Croydon aren't directly comparable. In Croydon neither Go Ahead or Abellio had the ability to take a massive chunk due to garage space, all both could do is probably put in bids for smaller groups of routes which couldn't compete with an Arriva joint bid with everything in it. Out in East London at least Stagecoach have the space to take pretty much the entire portfolio of Arriva's routes. RM funnily enough hasn't replaced the 248, NS can move the 86 fully to LI if necessary and BK have space left over from the 366 loss, alongside the 5s space never being fully taken up and the 396 loss to even after the 238 goes in. Go Ahead at RR can certainly fit in both the 150 and 175, probably the 66 too which would give quite some weight behind any competing joint bids. Apparently Metroline have been trying to nab the 41 for years, but have obviously never managed it. Wonder if they’ll pull a rabbit out of the hat this time. I’m not familiar with the 41 schedule, but presumably it must be cheaper to run it from the Tottenham end as Arriva have done for years. Hence Metroline’s lack of success gaining the route
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Post by ThinLizzy on Feb 9, 2024 14:36:47 GMT
Arriva will probably need to be weary of Metroline on at least the 41, the 17 going fully LT will release a handful of BDEs that are effectively garage bound to HT assuming they use the earlier proprietary charger, a part existing electric allocation could cause an issue for Arriva on the 41 if they in turn go for a full new electric allocation. The East London tenders while similar to Croydon aren't directly comparable. In Croydon neither Go Ahead or Abellio had the ability to take a massive chunk due to garage space, all both could do is probably put in bids for smaller groups of routes which couldn't compete with an Arriva joint bid with everything in it. Out in East London at least Stagecoach have the space to take pretty much the entire portfolio of Arriva's routes. RM funnily enough hasn't replaced the 248, NS can move the 86 fully to LI if necessary and BK have space left over from the 366 loss, alongside the 5s space never being fully taken up and the 396 loss to even after the 238 goes in. Go Ahead at RR can certainly fit in both the 150 and 175, probably the 66 too which would give quite some weight behind any competing joint bids. Apparently Metroline have been trying to nab the 41 for years, but have obviously never managed it. Wonder if they’ll pull a rabbit out of the hat this time. I’m not familiar with the 41 schedule, but presumably it must be cheaper to run it from the Tottenham end as Arriva have done for years. Hence Metroline’s lack of success gaining the route Did HT operate the 41 for a short time after MTL purchased London Suburban Buses?
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Post by kmkcheng on Feb 9, 2024 15:17:22 GMT
Apparently Metroline have been trying to nab the 41 for years, but have obviously never managed it. Wonder if they’ll pull a rabbit out of the hat this time. I’m not familiar with the 41 schedule, but presumably it must be cheaper to run it from the Tottenham end as Arriva have done for years. Hence Metroline’s lack of success gaining the route Did HT operate the 41 for a short time after MTL purchased London Suburban Buses? It only operated at HT in the later pre-privatisation days as part of a joint allocation with AR and WN. When it was with London Surburban Buses, it operated out of ED (Edmonton). The 41 was only under MTL for a couple of months before it was lost to Leaside/Arriva
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Post by Dad91 on Feb 9, 2024 16:56:57 GMT
Did HT operate the 41 for a short time after MTL purchased London Suburban Buses? It only operated at HT in the later pre-privatisation days as part of a joint allocation with AR and WN. When it was with London Surburban Buses, it operated out of ED (Edmonton). The 41 was only under MTL for a couple of months before it was lost to Leaside/Arriva this time round Metroline going nap 41. The 31 and 90 30 up for tender this year Metroline could bid existing hybrids
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Post by dace2 on Feb 9, 2024 17:07:29 GMT
It only operated at HT in the later pre-privatisation days as part of a joint allocation with AR and WN. When it was with London Surburban Buses, it operated out of ED (Edmonton). The 41 was only under MTL for a couple of months before it was lost to Leaside/Arriva this time round Metroline going nap 41. The 31 and 90 30 up for tender this year Metroline could bid existing hybrids we just hope arriva retains the 41.
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Post by Dad91 on Feb 9, 2024 17:35:56 GMT
this time round Metroline going nap 41. The 31 and 90 30 up for tender this year Metroline could bid existing hybrids we just hope arriva retains the 41. . Arriva need to hold onto 41 hope it gets electric. Seem 341 get electric HVs onto 41
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Post by londonbuses184 on Feb 9, 2024 17:41:39 GMT
It only operated at HT in the later pre-privatisation days as part of a joint allocation with AR and WN. When it was with London Surburban Buses, it operated out of ED (Edmonton). The 41 was only under MTL for a couple of months before it was lost to Leaside/Arriva this time round Metroline going nap 41. The 31 and 90 30 up for tender this year Metroline could bid existing hybrids 31 and 90 could be retained although I have a feeling Stagecoach will gain the 30 with new electrics
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Post by londonbuses on Feb 9, 2024 17:51:57 GMT
this time round Metroline going nap 41. The 31 and 90 30 up for tender this year Metroline could bid existing hybrids 31 and 90 could be retained although I have a feeling Stagecoach will gain the 30 with new electrics The 90 will be a toss up between Metroline and RATP (especially since both are bidding high), and I definitely could see RATP winning the route.
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Post by COBO on Feb 9, 2024 18:49:37 GMT
31 and 90 could be retained although I have a feeling Stagecoach will gain the 30 with new electrics The 90 will be a toss up between Metroline and RATP (especially since both are bidding high), and I definitely could see RATP winning the route. Yeah because Abellio couldn’t possibly go after that route.
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Post by londonbuses on Feb 9, 2024 18:55:14 GMT
The 90 will be a toss up between Metroline and RATP (especially since both are bidding high), and I definitely could see RATP winning the route. Yeah because Abellio couldn’t possibly go after that route. Have to admit I forgot about Abellio, but I don't think they have the garage space available anyway.
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Post by ADH45258 on Feb 9, 2024 18:58:48 GMT
Yeah because Abellio couldn’t possibly go after that route. Have to admit I forgot about Abellio, but I don't think they have the garage space available anyway. GW should still have enough space left, so could move the E6 there to fit the 90 at DH if needed?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2024 19:29:40 GMT
I wonder if the ex-BN HAs and HVs(133 & 333) may appear on the TR1
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Post by SILENCED on Feb 9, 2024 20:09:27 GMT
I wonder if the ex-BN HAs and HVs(133 & 333) may appear on the TR1 Why are they more likely to appear on that route rather than any other rail replacement service Arriva will be/have been operating?
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Post by LK65EBO on Feb 9, 2024 20:30:39 GMT
Any ideas why the 319s EAs were pushed back by about a year?
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Post by dace2 on Feb 9, 2024 20:40:36 GMT
Any ideas why the 319s EAs were pushed back by about a year? More likely was because of them being awarded with electric buses. This would take ages for a Arriva to get the buses delivered during this time and it was one of the first bus routes to be getting it. The garage had to get new charging ports, buses etc for the route to be running. This would take ages because this was a new thing Arriva has done. As of now, routes getting electrics won’t take as long as the 319s unless if there’s issues with charging etc.
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