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Post by adl on Sept 30, 2024 16:49:18 GMT
Enthusiasts are out in force today, someone literally ran down to Upminster Windmill to get a picture of T212.
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Post by PGAT on Sept 30, 2024 16:59:05 GMT
There was a TMP on the 417 earlier
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Post by ServerKing on Sept 30, 2024 17:22:00 GMT
Enthusiasts are out in force today, someone literally ran down to Upminster Windmill to get a picture of T212. There's more T's coming over, I think they will change them 3 or 4 at a time until most of the DW's have moved. At least the DW's are quick, which will suit the 217. Would be nice if they had blinds but you can't have everything - unless McKenna Bros are retrofitting the 2 series DW's with LED's soon
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Post by WH241 on Sept 30, 2024 17:35:00 GMT
Enthusiasts are out in force today, someone literally ran down to Upminster Windmill to get a picture of T212. There's more T's coming over, I think they will change them 3 or 4 at a time until most of the DW's have moved. At least the DW's are quick, which will suit the 217. Would be nice if they had blinds but you can't have everything - unless McKenna Bros are retrofitting the 2 series DW's with LED's soon I didn’t realise the 217 was getting DW’s? I am surprised they are making changes to the bus type especially as it’s currently out on tender for a 1 year contract? With regards to GY has it been confirmed if all the DWs are going or are they are just for PVR top ups? Seen a few different posts here so not 100% sure.
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Post by DW221 on Sept 30, 2024 17:37:11 GMT
There's more T's coming over, I think they will change them 3 or 4 at a time until most of the DW's have moved. At least the DW's are quick, which will suit the 217. Would be nice if they had blinds but you can't have everything - unless McKenna Bros are retrofitting the 2 series DW's with LED's soon I didn’t realise the 217 was getting DW’s? I am surprised they are making changes to the bus type especially as it’s currently out on tender for a 1 year contract? With regards to GY has it been confirmed if all the DWs are going or are they are just for PVR top ups? Seen a few different posts here so not 100% sure. From my understanding the Ts at GY right now are for 370s pvr increase which started today. Although I’m guessing they sent a couple more Ts over since theres always a few DWs vor anyway Makes sense to swap buses with 217, the route is still on an emergency contract I believe so in theory can use any bus alvaliable.
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Post by WH241 on Sept 30, 2024 17:41:41 GMT
I didn’t realise the 217 was getting DW’s? I am surprised they are making changes to the bus type especially as it’s currently out on tender for a 1 year contract? With regards to GY has it been confirmed if all the DWs are going or are they are just for PVR top ups? Seen a few different posts here so not 100% sure. From my understanding the Ts at GY right now are for 370s pvr increase which started today. Although I’m guessing they sent a couple more Ts over since theres always a few DWs vor anyway Makes sense to swap buses with 217, the route is still on an emergency contract I believe so in theory can use any bus alvaliable. I l thought the DWs were said to be worn out so I am surprised they are moving to the 217. Can’t believe how many different buses have been used on the 217!
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Post by DW221 on Sept 30, 2024 17:45:21 GMT
From my understanding the Ts at GY right now are for 370s pvr increase which started today. Although I’m guessing they sent a couple more Ts over since theres always a few DWs vor anyway Makes sense to swap buses with 217, the route is still on an emergency contract I believe so in theory can use any bus alvaliable. I l thought the DWs were said to be worn out so I am surprised they are moving to the 217. Can’t believe how many different buses have been used on the 217! Theyre not actually bad at all they preform very well for their age. Only issue they go mechanical often but thats what you expect from 15 year old buses in London. Overall variety on the 217 is certainly interesting!
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Post by wirewiper on Sept 30, 2024 17:48:36 GMT
I didn’t realise the 217 was getting DW’s? I am surprised they are making changes to the bus type especially as it’s currently out on tender for a 1 year contract? With regards to GY has it been confirmed if all the DWs are going or are they are just for PVR top ups? Seen a few different posts here so not 100% sure. From my understanding the Ts at GY right now are for 370s pvr increase which started today. Although I’m guessing they sent a couple more Ts over since theres always a few DWs vor anyway Makes sense to swap buses with 217, the route is still on an emergency contract I believe so in theory can use any bus alvaliable. It will still be hard to beat the Alexander-bodied Scanias that operated on the route in the 1990s. They were so fast on the A10, that in the evening it was possible to leave Watham Cross fifteen minutes late and still be on time at Turnpike Lane!
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Post by ServerKing on Sept 30, 2024 17:51:22 GMT
From my understanding the Ts at GY right now are for 370s pvr increase which started today. Although I’m guessing they sent a couple more Ts over since theres always a few DWs vor anyway Makes sense to swap buses with 217, the route is still on an emergency contract I believe so in theory can use any bus alvaliable. I l thought the DWs were said to be worn out so I am surprised they are moving to the 217. Can’t believe how many different buses have been used on the 217! The variety of buses, along with the speed of the route is great! Nearly every Arriva bus type has been on it, perhaps it will be EA's, ES's and HT's sooner or later I guess with a shorter, slower dead run, the DWs won't be punished as much, then something different like electrics will take over next year. It will be good to see DW201 near her native Wood Green
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Post by adl on Sept 30, 2024 17:57:21 GMT
I didn’t realise the 217 was getting DW’s? I am surprised they are making changes to the bus type especially as it’s currently out on tender for a 1 year contract? With regards to GY has it been confirmed if all the DWs are going or are they are just for PVR top ups? Seen a few different posts here so not 100% sure. From my understanding the Ts at GY right now are for 370s pvr increase which started today. Although I’m guessing they sent a couple more Ts over since theres always a few DWs vor anyway Makes sense to swap buses with 217, the route is still on an emergency contract I believe so in theory can use any bus alvaliable. Factual: The 370s PVR increase isn’t until 2nd November on contract renewal. It’s still every 15 minutes at present. Someone on the thread actually said they are allocated to the 66 a few weeks ago. Speculations below: The 370s PVR only increases by 2 and there are 5 transferred over thus far I think it’s more than just a top up for PVRs there’s no point in introducing a new type and having to type train all the drivers for the sake of a few buses which could easily have been DWs pulled from somewhere. It’s no secret the reliability of the GY DWs is shocking so it wouldn’t surprise me if they cherry pick the good ones to go to EC for the 217s Emergency Contract and replace the rest with the spare 61 reg at EC & 279s E400s upon conversion to electric. On paper the 217 is supposed to be allocated the 10:60 reg Ts , so I recon they’ll simply go onto the Rail Replacemnent, Good DWs to the 217 and then GY receives Power blinded E400s, I’d imagine they also have enough sets at GY as they would’ve been ordered for the GY routes pending its new contracts which would need power blinded blinds.
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Post by adl on Sept 30, 2024 18:21:03 GMT
First E400 Has arrived at GY For type training for the 66s For anyone doubting the accuracy of my message above, this is what was said. Also they’re a very reliable member when it comes to information.
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Post by ServerKing on Sept 30, 2024 18:28:25 GMT
From my understanding the Ts at GY right now are for 370s pvr increase which started today. Although I’m guessing they sent a couple more Ts over since theres always a few DWs vor anyway Makes sense to swap buses with 217, the route is still on an emergency contract I believe so in theory can use any bus alvaliable. The 370s PVR increase isn’t until 2nd November on contract renewal. It’s still every 15 minutes at present. Someone on the thread actually said they are allocated to the 66 a few weeks ago, the 370s PVR only increases by 2 and there are 5 transferred over thus far I think it’s more than just a top up for PVRs there’s no point in introducing a new type and having to type train all the drivers for the sake of a few buses which could easily have been DWs pulled from somewhere. It’s no secret the reliability of the GY DWs is shocking so it wouldn’t surprise me if they cherry pick the good ones to go to EC for the 217s Emergency Contract and replace the rest with the spare 61 reg at EC & 279s E400s upon conversion to electric. On paper the 217 is supposed to be allocated the 10:60 reg Ts , so I recon they’ll simply go onto the Rail Replacemnent, Good DWs to the 217 and then GY receives Power blinded E400s, I’d imagine they also have enough sets at GY as they would’ve been ordered for the GY routes pending its new contracts which would need power blinded blinds. The ex WN and E T's are power blinded. The DWs will be put into good shape at Edmonton, all their ex Tottenham ones now go like sh!t off a shovel when I've encountered them dead running to the 158. As the Grays DWs are quicker, it's probably safer for drivers (already type trained thanks to 158) pulling out into fast traffic on the A10. Its no secret the ex W3 Ts are as quick as Man United's defence in the Spurs match yesterday perhaps more of a thrash on the 66 will put them right. Some truly shocking DLAs in London had been transformed up in Leicester, Rhyl, Newcastle or wherever they've ended up after a sedate London life, and in the case of Wycombe and Luton, had to last for years T's just have to hold out until the HVs start coming across next year Wonder if HV14 will come back home to Tottenham if unseated by incoming DWs?
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Post by adl on Sept 30, 2024 18:36:49 GMT
The 370s PVR increase isn’t until 2nd November on contract renewal. It’s still every 15 minutes at present. Someone on the thread actually said they are allocated to the 66 a few weeks ago, the 370s PVR only increases by 2 and there are 5 transferred over thus far I think it’s more than just a top up for PVRs there’s no point in introducing a new type and having to type train all the drivers for the sake of a few buses which could easily have been DWs pulled from somewhere. It’s no secret the reliability of the GY DWs is shocking so it wouldn’t surprise me if they cherry pick the good ones to go to EC for the 217s Emergency Contract and replace the rest with the spare 61 reg at EC & 279s E400s upon conversion to electric. On paper the 217 is supposed to be allocated the 10:60 reg Ts , so I recon they’ll simply go onto the Rail Replacemnent, Good DWs to the 217 and then GY receives Power blinded E400s, I’d imagine they also have enough sets at GY as they would’ve been ordered for the GY routes pending its new contracts which would need power blinded blinds. The ex WN and E T's are power blinded. The DWs will be put into good shape at Edmonton, all their ex Tottenham ones now go like sh!t off a shovel when I've encountered them dead running to the 158. As the Grays DWs are quicker, it's probably safer for drivers (already type trained thanks to 158) pulling out into fast traffic on the A10. Its no secret the ex W3 Ts are as quick as Man United's defence in the Spurs match yesterday perhaps more of a thrash on the 66 will put them right. Some truly shocking DLAs in London had been transformed up in Leicester, Rhyl, Newcastle or wherever they've ended up after a sedate London life, and in the case of Wycombe and Luton, had to last for years T's just have to hold out until the HVs start coming across next year Wonder if HV14 will come back home to Tottenham if unseated by incoming DWs? Having went on all of the transferred Ts today, I actually have had the opposite experience with the Ts performing really well on the higher speed sections of the 370 apart from 1 which was a little sluggish. Not all of the GY DWs are worth shouting about though some of them relslr Showing their age I’ve had a few journeys on the 66 where they struggle along the A roads, some are still really great performers but others not so much. DW201 is a treat to ride, it’s also the oddball of the GY batch with the orangey coloured handrails opposed to white which often finds home on the 103 most days, come to think of it it’s the one of the only buses on the 103 that actually is blinded correctly on all blinds.
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Post by WH241 on Sept 30, 2024 19:22:32 GMT
First E400 Has arrived at GY For type training for the 66s For anyone doubting the accuracy of my message above, this is what was said. Also they’re a very reliable member when it comes to information. There was no doubting it was just because another post made mention of PVR top ups.
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Post by adl on Sept 30, 2024 19:43:53 GMT
For anyone doubting the accuracy of my message above, this is what was said. Also they’re a very reliable member when it comes to information. There was no doubting it was just because another post made mention of PVR top ups.
Ah must’ve missed this although only mentions the 370 will need more buses which is clear as it’s having a PVR increase. I just can’t see Arriva spending time type training alt the drivers for the sake of a year at most with a couple of E400s when it would be easy to source 2-3 DWs from another garage especially since places like WN already have both types so could’ve easily pinched from something like the 144. Judging by the fact 5 have came over so far and the fact DWs are going the opposite way, I recon it’s more than just a PVR top up but I guess we will see what happens.
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