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Post by mb171 on Jul 21, 2024 19:26:11 GMT
I've got a few ideas for huge and delusional changes in the SE London area but ones that I think are long over due to reduce duplication where not required and increase capacity where needed: ·Cut the 161 back to Woolwich and extend southwards to Orpington via the 61. Would support the 51 between Woolwich and Orpington. · 61 cut back between Chislehurst and Orpington, rerouted at Orpington, Perry Hall Road to terminate at Sidcup High Street via St Mary Cray, Crittalls Corner, A20 and Queen Marys Hospital. Routing between Locksbottom and Orpington swapped with the 358 to make that route more reliable. ·The 291 is cut back at Woolwich and extended to North Greenwich via the current 161 route. ·53 rerouted at Woolwich via more direct route to Plumstead Bus Garage via A206/ Plumstead Road. ·The 99 to replace the 53 between Woolwich- Plumstead Common and Plumstead Station ·422 rerouted to serve Kings Highway (served for the first time), Plumstead Common, Griffin Road then normal LOR at Plumstead Station instead of Plumstead High Street. ·301 split into two routes at Thamesmead; The western section is merged with the 178 to create a Lewisham to Thamesmead route The eastern section is extended from Bexleyheath to Sidcup Station via the 492 to create a Thamesmead to Sidcup route. Frequency decrease on this section due to the SL3 and 229. ·492 is extended from Bexleyheath to Woolwich via Welling, Shooters Hill, Shrewsbury Lane, then via the current 244 to Woolwich. Also rerouted via the Crayford Road and Dartford Road, as well as running fast between Dartford - Bluewater as the 96 used to do. Supports the 96 between Woolwich and Bluewater. Would recieve a singificant frequency increase. ·428 to be rerouted between Crayford- Dartford- Bluewater via the current 492 (Shepherds Lane, Chastillian Road, stopping at all stops ong Stone/London Road/Greenhithe) ·244 is rerouted at Woolwich to QE Hospital via the current 291 route. At Abbey Wood, it merges with the B11 to create one route from QE Hospital to Bexleyheath. The B11 is no more. ·472 rerouted at Harrow Manorway roundabout to run fast via the A206 (stopping at Belvedere) then terminating at Erith. ·160 is cut back to Horn Park, Alnwick Road (current B15 terminus) and routeing swapped at Edgebury to run via the current 162 route ·162 swapped with the more direct 160 routing at Edgebury and converted to double deckers ·B15 is rerouted at Yorkshire Grey Roundabout to terminate at Catford Bridge. At the other end, the route is rerouted at Welling to run via Welling Station, Wickham Street (served for the first time), Lodge Hill (trees trimmed), Brampton Road, Knee Hill in one direction and New Road in the other to terminate at the old 244/472 stand at Abbey Wood Station. Route is double decked. Lots of new links from Catford Bridge to Abbey Wood and a new orbital route for SE London. ·126 extended to Bexleyheath Shopping Centre via Eltham Station, Rochester Way then the current B15. Hail and Ride section converted to fixed stops and route double decked. ·B16 and 335 merged into one route running from North Greenwich to Bexleyheath Bus Garage. At Kidbrooke Station, route is diverted to run fast via the A2 and Blackwall Tunnel South Approach to North Greenwich, only stopping at Boord Street. Route is double decked. Provides much needed relief to the 132. ·323 extended from Canning Town to Kidbrooke, Moorehead Way via the Silvertown Tunnel and then the current 335. ·69 extended to North Greenwich via the Silvertown Tunnel. Routing swapped with the 158 in Stratford/Maryland to be more direct and serve Stratford Station properly in both directions. As a local I provide constructive criticism - I personally would leave the 161 as it is. It is one of routes that even though it is overlapped with other routes it would break very specific links (e.g. 122,132,486) inverting it into Orpington - Woolwich route would not make much sense. The 51 already does that job anyway - I doubt it would need any support from the 161. 61 I would send to Ramsden with 353 being cut back to Orpington Perry Hall Road so that 353 becomes an Orpington - Forestdale route, whilst 61 becomes Ramsden Estate - Bromley North, with the formation of a new route 361 (Eltham, High Street - Orpington) - sending it to Sidcup in my eyes is unnecessary seeing as you have B14/R11 that covers the St Mary Cray section anyway. 291 - would break its entire purpose as a shuttle route between Woolwich and Woodlands Estate. extending it to North Greenwich is just unnecessary in my opinion. 53 - it would make sense for it to run directly via A206 but there is a reason why it goes around Plumstead Common rather than any other route 99 - wouldn't make sense to reroute it around Plumstead Common - it's already indirect as it is - furthermore, it is not the same frequency as the 53 so not really viable. 422 - similar to the 99. Plumstead Common does not require a lot of routes. I agree with the 178 being extended down to Thamesmead. Another Thamesmead - Sidcup route I don't think is required although 229 is hella lengthy. I would keep the 492 as it is, 428 seems viable as i've never really bothered using it, 244 i'd leave the route as it is and B11 as well. 472 does it really need to go to Erith? I mean, it doesn't seem like a bad shout considering the 180 does take its time around Abbey Wood/Belvedere, but I don't think it's needed. 160 would leave as it is - the Eltham - Catford corridor is traffic heavy but still quite essential - hence why i'd keep the 160. B15 I would leave it as well. 126 I'd rather extend it to Woolwich rather than Bexleyheath. The hail and ride section for B15 is long gone and there are already fixed stops. B16 + 335 - I'd leave B16 as it is and 335 as it is. As for 323 + 69 I wouldn't tamper with them as well.
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Post by greenboy on Jul 21, 2024 19:48:10 GMT
I've got a few ideas for huge and delusional changes in the SE London area but ones that I think are long over due to reduce duplication where not required and increase capacity where needed: ·Cut the 161 back to Woolwich and extend southwards to Orpington via the 61. Would support the 51 between Woolwich and Orpington. · 61 cut back between Chislehurst and Orpington, rerouted at Orpington, Perry Hall Road to terminate at Sidcup High Street via St Mary Cray, Crittalls Corner, A20 and Queen Marys Hospital. Routing between Locksbottom and Orpington swapped with the 358 to make that route more reliable. ·The 291 is cut back at Woolwich and extended to North Greenwich via the current 161 route. ·53 rerouted at Woolwich via more direct route to Plumstead Bus Garage via A206/ Plumstead Road. ·The 99 to replace the 53 between Woolwich- Plumstead Common and Plumstead Station ·422 rerouted to serve Kings Highway (served for the first time), Plumstead Common, Griffin Road then normal LOR at Plumstead Station instead of Plumstead High Street. ·301 split into two routes at Thamesmead; The western section is merged with the 178 to create a Lewisham to Thamesmead route The eastern section is extended from Bexleyheath to Sidcup Station via the 492 to create a Thamesmead to Sidcup route. Frequency decrease on this section due to the SL3 and 229. ·492 is extended from Bexleyheath to Woolwich via Welling, Shooters Hill, Shrewsbury Lane, then via the current 244 to Woolwich. Also rerouted via the Crayford Road and Dartford Road, as well as running fast between Dartford - Bluewater as the 96 used to do. Supports the 96 between Woolwich and Bluewater. Would recieve a singificant frequency increase. ·428 to be rerouted between Crayford- Dartford- Bluewater via the current 492 (Shepherds Lane, Chastillian Road, stopping at all stops ong Stone/London Road/Greenhithe) ·244 is rerouted at Woolwich to QE Hospital via the current 291 route. At Abbey Wood, it merges with the B11 to create one route from QE Hospital to Bexleyheath. The B11 is no more. ·472 rerouted at Harrow Manorway roundabout to run fast via the A206 (stopping at Belvedere) then terminating at Erith. ·160 is cut back to Horn Park, Alnwick Road (current B15 terminus) and routeing swapped at Edgebury to run via the current 162 route ·162 swapped with the more direct 160 routing at Edgebury and converted to double deckers ·B15 is rerouted at Yorkshire Grey Roundabout to terminate at Catford Bridge. At the other end, the route is rerouted at Welling to run via Welling Station, Wickham Street (served for the first time), Lodge Hill (trees trimmed), Brampton Road, Knee Hill in one direction and New Road in the other to terminate at the old 244/472 stand at Abbey Wood Station. Route is double decked. Lots of new links from Catford Bridge to Abbey Wood and a new orbital route for SE London. ·126 extended to Bexleyheath Shopping Centre via Eltham Station, Rochester Way then the current B15. Hail and Ride section converted to fixed stops and route double decked. ·B16 and 335 merged into one route running from North Greenwich to Bexleyheath Bus Garage. At Kidbrooke Station, route is diverted to run fast via the A2 and Blackwall Tunnel South Approach to North Greenwich, only stopping at Boord Street. Route is double decked. Provides much needed relief to the 132. ·323 extended from Canning Town to Kidbrooke, Moorehead Way via the Silvertown Tunnel and then the current 335. ·69 extended to North Greenwich via the Silvertown Tunnel. Routing swapped with the 158 in Stratford/Maryland to be more direct and serve Stratford Station properly in both directions. As a local I provide constructive criticism - I personally would leave the 161 as it is. It is one of routes that even though it is overlapped with other routes it would break very specific links (e.g. 122,132,486) inverting it into Orpington - Woolwich route would not make much sense. The 51 already does that job anyway - I doubt it would need any support I won't quote the whole post but the 51 and 161 are totally different routes, they would both leave Woolwich in different directions as they do now and wouldn't meet up again until Orpington.
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Post by greg on Jul 23, 2024 1:48:33 GMT
This is quite fanatical but I am going to give it a ago - I am quite glad the N518 didnt come into plan, frankly because I don’t think it would have done well mirroring the N18 so long, it isnt the busiest of stretches for a night route beyond the Harrow Road, and if anything would confuse passengers even more. Here are some crazy suggestions I had for a night bus service in Ruislip to Central London (both similar but abit fanatical)
Suggestion 1: N7 withdrawn between Greenford Broadway and Northolt, and diverted to Ruislip following the E7 route (No replacement, use N140 to connect to other routes)
Suggestion 2: N11 extended from Ealing Broadway to Ruislip following the E7 route (the cut back to Whitehall from Liverpool Street) would essentially equal out the existing time journeys (At this point the route should be renumbered NE3 but that would be odd)
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Post by COBO on Jul 23, 2024 12:14:45 GMT
It’s going to be long one.
204: withdrawn between Bridgewater Road and Sudbury Town. Diverted to Westway Cross via route H17 to Whitton Avenue East, Greenford Road and Green Park Way. To maintain links lost by the H17 and to link Whitton Avenue East with Westway. 223: extended from Wembley to Oldfield Circus via H17 to Harrow Road, 92 to Oldfield Lane North, Currey Road and 395 to Oldfield Circus. To link Oldfield Circus with Sudbury Town Station. 278: extended from Ruislip to Westway Cross via Pembroke Road, Park Way, Ruislip Manor Station, Elm Avenue, North View, Eastcote Station, 398 to Whitton Avenue West, Greenford Road, route 92 to Oldfield Lane North and 395 to Westway Cross. To maintain route lost by the 398. 350: extended from Hayes Asda to Bulls Bridge via Millington Road, Station Road and route E6 to Bulls Bridge. To maintain links lost by the E6. 395: extended to Perivale via Green Park Way, Greenford Road, Rockware Avenue, Greenford Station, Oldfield Lane North, Greenford Roundabout, Western Avenue, Teignmouth Gardens and Biddeford Avenue. Diverted between Currey Road and Westway Cross via Oldfield Lane North, Berkeley Avenue and Greenford Road. To Perivale Tescos with North Greenford. 398: withdrawn between Wood End Lane and Ruislip. Diverted to Harrow via Whitton Avenue West, Oldfield Circus, Carr Road, Mandeville Road, Eastcote Lane North, Eastcote Lane, Field End Road, Victoria Road, Long Drive, South Ruislip Station, West End Road, Ruislip Gardens Station, Pembroke Road, Ruislip Station, route 398 to Village Way East, Imperial Drive, Station Road, North Harrow Station, Pinner Road and route 183 to Harrow. E6: Rerouted between Broadmead Road and Greenford Broadway via Ruislip Road, Yeading White Hart, Church Road, route 90 to Target Roundabout, A40 slip road, Ealing Road, route E10 to Ealing Road, Mandeville Road, route 395 to Oldfield Lane North, Greenford Station, Greenford Roundabout, Coston Lane and Oldfield Lane South. Withdrawn between Willow Tree Lane and Bulls Bridge. Diverted to Uxbridge via Yeading Lane, Kingshill Avenue, route 90 to Lansbury Drive, Uxbridge Road, West Drayton Road and route U7 to Uxbridge. To link North Greenford and Northolt with Uxbridge. H17: diverted between Wembley Central and Whitton Avenue East via Ealing Road and Bridgewater Road. To link Ealing Road with Bridgewater Road. E2: extended from Greenford Broadway to Greenford Station via route 105. To link Ealing with North Greenford. U5: Extended from Hayes to Greenford Broadway via route E6. To maintain links lost by route E6.
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Post by COBO on Jul 23, 2024 12:19:02 GMT
This is quite fanatical but I am going to give it a ago - I am quite glad the N518 didnt come into plan, frankly because I don’t think it would have done well mirroring the N18 so long, it isnt the busiest of stretches for a night route beyond the Harrow Road, and if anything would confuse passengers even more. Here are some crazy suggestions I had for a night bus service in Ruislip to Central London (both similar but abit fanatical) Suggestion 1: N7 withdrawn between Greenford Broadway and Northolt, and diverted to Ruislip following the E7 route (No replacement, use N140 to connect to other routes) Suggestion 2: N11 extended from Ealing Broadway to Ruislip following the E7 route (the cut back to Whitehall from Liverpool Street) would essentially equal out the existing time journeys (At this point the route should be renumbered NE3 but that would be odd) Well I wished it had been made then Whitton Avenue West and East would had a night route. Beyond what part of Harrow Road (Harrow Road is a long Road)?
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Post by randomy on Jul 23, 2024 12:54:07 GMT
New Hendon Night Routes: N125: Colindale Superstores - Waltham Cross N183: Northwood - Hampstead Heath This is to provide night bus links within the Hendon area. I think it would be better if N183 would be extended to Mount Vernon Hospital and Camden Town. I'm not sure about a night service on the 125, let alone to Waltham Cross (although I'm not a local). Maybe if you wanted a night service for the SL10, then an N583 from Mount Vernon Hospital to North Finchley via the 183 and SL10 could work (like the N518 would).
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Post by greg on Jul 23, 2024 13:56:34 GMT
This is quite fanatical but I am going to give it a ago - I am quite glad the N518 didnt come into plan, frankly because I don’t think it would have done well mirroring the N18 so long, it isnt the busiest of stretches for a night route beyond the Harrow Road, and if anything would confuse passengers even more. Here are some crazy suggestions I had for a night bus service in Ruislip to Central London (both similar but abit fanatical) Suggestion 1: N7 withdrawn between Greenford Broadway and Northolt, and diverted to Ruislip following the E7 route (No replacement, use N140 to connect to other routes) Suggestion 2: N11 extended from Ealing Broadway to Ruislip following the E7 route (the cut back to Whitehall from Liverpool Street) would essentially equal out the existing time journeys (At this point the route should be renumbered NE3 but that would be odd) Well I wished it had been made then Whitton Avenue West and East would had a night route. Beyond what part of Harrow Road (Harrow Road is a long Road)? Police Station
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Post by COBO on Jul 24, 2024 21:02:33 GMT
SL9: extended to Sudbury via the 182. To provide support to the 182.
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Post by mrhk on Jul 24, 2024 21:08:07 GMT
This is quite fanatical but I am going to give it a ago - I am quite glad the N518 didnt come into plan, frankly because I don’t think it would have done well mirroring the N18 so long, it isnt the busiest of stretches for a night route beyond the Harrow Road, and if anything would confuse passengers even more. Here are some crazy suggestions I had for a night bus service in Ruislip to Central London (both similar but abit fanatical) Suggestion 1: N7 withdrawn between Greenford Broadway and Northolt, and diverted to Ruislip following the E7 route (No replacement, use N140 to connect to other routes) Suggestion 2: N11 extended from Ealing Broadway to Ruislip following the E7 route (the cut back to Whitehall from Liverpool Street) would essentially equal out the existing time journeys (At this point the route should be renumbered NE3 but that would be odd) N7 extension via E7 would work very well and would mirror the Central Line pretty well. Maybe even further up to West Ruislip would work? That would provide the entire Ruislip branch with a night service (some stops like Northolt and Greenford would require changing onto other night routes)
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Post by londonbuses184 on Jul 24, 2024 21:11:41 GMT
SL9: extended to Sudbury via the 182. To provide support to the 182. I think it would be better off extending the H14 tbh
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Post by COBO on Jul 24, 2024 21:13:00 GMT
SL9: extended to Sudbury via the 182. To provide support to the 182. I think it would be better off extending the H14 tbh I think that the H14 should go somewhere else.
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Post by mrhk on Jul 25, 2024 16:54:39 GMT
New Hendon Night Routes: N125: Colindale Superstores - Waltham Cross N183: Northwood - Hampstead Heath This is to provide night bus links within the Hendon area. I think it would be better if N183 would be extended to Mount Vernon Hospital and Camden Town. I'm not sure about a night service on the 125, let alone to Waltham Cross (although I'm not a local). Maybe if you wanted a night service for the SL10, then an N583 from Mount Vernon Hospital to North Finchley via the 183 and SL10 could work (like the N518 would). Agreed however what areas would this version of the N183 serve? and where would it split off from the day route 183
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Post by sdaniel on Jul 28, 2024 18:22:15 GMT
I think it would be better if N183 would be extended to Mount Vernon Hospital and Camden Town. I'm not sure about a night service on the 125, let alone to Waltham Cross (although I'm not a local). Maybe if you wanted a night service for the SL10, then an N583 from Mount Vernon Hospital to North Finchley via the 183 and SL10 could work (like the N518 would). Agreed however what areas would this version of the N183 serve? and where would it split off from the day route 183 Well technically going past Northwood Station would be good, but I wouldn’t extend the N183 as far as Camden Town as 24 and N5 already serve those hotspots. I think Royal Free Hospital is enough for the N183.
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Post by YX18KVJ (DLE30221) on Jul 29, 2024 11:15:34 GMT
242/N242:Withdrawn, replaced by routes 67/308 67:Extended from Dalston to Aldgate replacing route 242.Withdrawn between Stamford Hill and Wood Green, and extended to Meridian Water (Glover Drive Tesco) via Tottenham Hale 308:Withdrawn between Homerton Hospital and Clapton Pond, extended to Dalston Junction via route 242 and converted to 24 hr service 425: Rerouted via Chatsworth Road instead of Urswick Road 334:New route running between Wood Green and Homerton Hospital replacing 67 to Stamford Hill, and the Clapton Pond - Homerton section of route 425 N67:New Night Route Running between Meridian Water and Tottenham Court Road replacing route N242.
(This is a change around of some ideas I had made previously)
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Post by greg on Jul 29, 2024 11:43:04 GMT
242/N242:Withdrawn, replaced by routes 67/308 67:Extended from Dalston to Aldgate replacing route 242.Withdrawn between Stamford Hill and Wood Green, and extended to Meridian Water (Glover Drive Tesco) via Tottenham Hale 308:Withdrawn between Homerton Hospital and Clapton Pond, extended to Dalston Junction via route 242 and converted to 24 hr service 425: Rerouted via Chatsworth Road instead of Urswick Road 334:New route running between Wood Green and Homerton Hospital replacing 67 to Stamford Hill, and the Clapton Pond - Homerton section of route 425 N67:New Night Route Running between Meridian Water and Tottenham Court Road replacing route N242. (This is a change around of some ideas I had made previously) I dont get the 243 and 334 nor do I think they are needed tbh. Rest is good with me. The 488 runs alongside Urswick Road, it has not got the demand for a whole new bus route. Ive actually never seeen anyone board at the bus stops too.
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