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Post by cl54 on Aug 7, 2024 9:48:17 GMT
I believe they were looking to use Norman Road as an alternative. There is no point running the 386 all the way to Blackheath Village because of the the pedestrianisation of the Cutty Sark area. I don’t think the pedestrianisation of Greenwich town centre (removal of the gyratory so traffic runs 2 ways along Nelson Road) makes the 386 to Blackheath pointless. I’m not a regular user or observer of the 386 - you might have seen from my previous posts that the route is definitely not one of my favourites - but it does provide a really useful around the corner link between Blackheath and Greenwich. If you live on Blackheath Hill, it’s not easy to walk up it with shopping, buggies, wheelchairs etc. I personally wouldn’t cut back the 386. The 286 terminus is a a problem that will need solving if and when Greenwich council go ahead with pedestrianisation. The 286 link into Greenwich is unique and vital. A few years ago, Greenwich council was not prepared to fund extra buses to extend the 286 beyond Greenwich to a new terminus and instead favoured a reduction in frequency. If the money situation is unchanged, I would like to see a terminus accommodated at Greenwich Station forecourt. With some minor pavement works and repositioning of a parking space, a stand for one bus should be possible along with an overflow space opposite on Greenwich High Road. This might need 1 extra bus to maintain the frequency and driver facilities could potentially be provided at Greenwich Station. The point I keep making is that running the 386 to Blackheath Village has a serious impact on the rest of the route with very few passengers using it. People don't have to carry bags up Blackheath Hill. The 53 provides a frequent service and the 129 and a hopper fare gives the alternative. There are often serious delays on the road across Blackheath and the 386 doesn't even serve Blackheath station.
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Post by lonmark on Aug 7, 2024 12:31:14 GMT
Not quite, but it is only 2-3 mins walk down to Blackheath Station from 386 bus stand.
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Post by randomy on Aug 7, 2024 14:49:55 GMT
Proposals to withdraw routes 288 288 related canges: 79: Extension from Edgware Station to Broadfields Estate. This will replace the northern half of the 288 and also retain Broadfields Estates link to Queensbury Station and provide Broadfields with a more frequent service with new connections. 292: Withdrawn between Colindale Superstores and Edgware and extended to Queensbury Morrisons via the 288. Currently, there are 2 other frequent routes (32 and 142) which both run from Edgware to Colindale Superstores which will mean that link is not lost and 292 passengers from areas further north than Edgware can just change for those routes at Edgware Bus Station 125: Not exactly a change the has to come into play however a small extension from Colindale Station to Colindale Superstores would be nice. The 79 goes via Wembley. That's all I have to say why it's a bad idea
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Post by COBO on Aug 7, 2024 18:15:54 GMT
142: withdrawn between Colindale Superstores and Brent Cross. 183: diverted between West Hendon Broadway and Golders Green Road via route 142 to Brent Cross, 232 to North Circular Road and Golders Green Road. To provide a more direct link between Harrow and Brent Cross. 268: extended from Golders Green to Queensbury via route 183 to West Hendon Broadway, route 32 to Burnt Oak Broadway, Stag Lane and route 114 to Queensbury. Converted to double deck. To maintain links lost by the 183. 292: extended from Colindale Superstores via Edgware Road, Colindeep Lane and route 324 to Brent Cross. To maintain links lost by the 142 and to l provide a round a corner link between Edgware Road with Colindeep Lane. Sl11: A new Superloop route running between Brent Cross and Walthamstow Central via Route 232 to North Circular Road, North Circular Road, Bounds Green Road, Bounds Green Station, High Road, Wood Green Station, Lordship Lane, Route 243 to Bruce Grove Station, Route 123 to Broad Lane and route 230 to Walthamstow Central. To help out the 232. SL12: a new superloop route running between Colindale Asda and Northumberland Park Tescos. Via: Capitol Way, Route 303 to Edgware Road, Route 32 to West Hendon Broadway, Route 183 to Golders Green, Route 268 to Belsize Park, Route 1 to Camden Street, Camden Street, Camden Road, Route 29 to Manor House Station, Route 279 to Tottenham High Road, Monument Way, Route 123 to Tottenham Hale and Route 192 to Northumberland Park Tesco’s. To link Colindale, West Hendon and Golders Green with Finsbury Park and Tottenham.
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Post by kmkcheng on Aug 7, 2024 18:30:41 GMT
142: withdrawn between Colindale Superstores and Brent Cross. 183: diverted between West Hendon Broadway and Golders Green Road via route 142 to Brent Cross, 232 to North Circular Road and Golders Green Road. To provide a more direct link between Harrow and Brent Cross. 268: extended from Golders Green to Queensbury via route 183 to West Hendon Broadway, route 32 to Burnt Oak Broadway, Stag Lane and route 114 to Queensbury. Converted to double deck. To maintain links lost by the 183. 292: extended from Colindale Superstores via Edgware Road, Colindeep Lane and route 234 to Brent Cross. To maintain links lost by the 142 and to l provide a round a corner link between Edgware Road with Colindeep Lane. Sl11: A new Superloop route running between Brent Cross and Walthamstow Central via Route 232 to North Circular Road, North Circular Road, Bounds Green Road, Bounds Green Station, High Road, Wood Green Station, Lordship Lane, Route 243 to Bruce Grove Station, Route 123 to Broad Lane and route 230 to Walthamstow Central. To help out the 232. SL12: a new superloop route running between Colindale Asda and Northumberland Park Tescos. Via: Capitol Way, Route 303 to Edgware Road, Route 32 to West Hendon Broadway, Route 183 to Golders Green, Route 268 to Belsize Park, Route 1 to Camden Street, Camden Street, Camden Road, Route 29 to Manor House Station, Route 279 to Tottenham High Road, Monument Way, Route 123 to Tottenham Hale and Route 192 to Northumberland Park Tesco’s. To link Colindale, West Hendon and Golders Green with Finsbury Park and Tottenham. Unless you are planning to single deck the 292, I believe Colindeep Lane can’t take double deckers due to weight limit
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Post by COBO on Aug 7, 2024 18:32:40 GMT
142: withdrawn between Colindale Superstores and Brent Cross. 183: diverted between West Hendon Broadway and Golders Green Road via route 142 to Brent Cross, 232 to North Circular Road and Golders Green Road. To provide a more direct link between Harrow and Brent Cross. 268: extended from Golders Green to Queensbury via route 183 to West Hendon Broadway, route 32 to Burnt Oak Broadway, Stag Lane and route 114 to Queensbury. Converted to double deck. To maintain links lost by the 183. 292: extended from Colindale Superstores via Edgware Road, Colindeep Lane and route 234 to Brent Cross. To maintain links lost by the 142 and to l provide a round a corner link between Edgware Road with Colindeep Lane. Sl11: A new Superloop route running between Brent Cross and Walthamstow Central via Route 232 to North Circular Road, North Circular Road, Bounds Green Road, Bounds Green Station, High Road, Wood Green Station, Lordship Lane, Route 243 to Bruce Grove Station, Route 123 to Broad Lane and route 230 to Walthamstow Central. To help out the 232. SL12: a new superloop route running between Colindale Asda and Northumberland Park Tescos. Via: Capitol Way, Route 303 to Edgware Road, Route 32 to West Hendon Broadway, Route 183 to Golders Green, Route 268 to Belsize Park, Route 1 to Camden Street, Camden Street, Camden Road, Route 29 to Manor House Station, Route 279 to Tottenham High Road, Monument Way, Route 123 to Tottenham Hale and Route 192 to Northumberland Park Tesco’s. To link Colindale, West Hendon and Golders Green with Finsbury Park and Tottenham. Unless you are planning to single deck the 292, I believe Colindeep Lane can’t take double deckers due to weight limit But double deckers have been down Colindeep Lane before.
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Post by kmkcheng on Aug 7, 2024 18:35:01 GMT
Unless you are planning to single deck the 292, I believe Colindeep Lane can’t take double deckers due to weight limit But double deckers have been down Colindeep Lane before. Colindeep Lane has a 7.5 tonne weight limit and double deckers definitely weigh more than that
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Post by COBO on Aug 7, 2024 18:36:17 GMT
But double deckers have been down Colindeep Lane before. Colindeep Lane has a 7.5 tonne weight limit and double deckers definitely weigh more than that But didn’t the 972 use to run on it with its double deckers?
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Post by LD71YLO (BE37054) on Aug 7, 2024 18:36:54 GMT
But double deckers have been down Colindeep Lane before. Colindeep Lane has a 7.5 tonne weight limit and double deckers definitely weigh more than that Single decks weigh more than that so then the 324 would be breaching that limit.
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Post by kmkcheng on Aug 7, 2024 18:45:42 GMT
Colindeep Lane has a 7.5 tonne weight limit and double deckers definitely weigh more than that Single decks weigh more than that so then the 324 would be breaching that limit. I think there are exceptions to weight-limited roads. They allow overweight vehicles which require access to the restricted area, emergency vehicles and also public-carrying vehicles such as buses. The 972 was allowed as it was only 2 return journeys a week and I guess it had been deemed acceptable to have a regular single decker route on it.
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Post by COBO on Aug 7, 2024 18:47:16 GMT
142: withdrawn between Colindale Superstores and Brent Cross. 183: diverted between West Hendon Broadway and Golders Green Road via route 142 to Brent Cross, 232 to North Circular Road and Golders Green Road. To provide a more direct link between Harrow and Brent Cross. 268: extended from Golders Green to Queensbury via route 183 to West Hendon Broadway, route 32 to Burnt Oak Broadway, Stag Lane and route 114 to Queensbury. Converted to double deck. To maintain links lost by the 183. 292: extended from Colindale Superstores via Edgware Road, Colindeep Lane and route 234 to Brent Cross. To maintain links lost by the 142 and to l provide a round a corner link between Edgware Road with Colindeep Lane. Sl11: A new Superloop route running between Brent Cross and Walthamstow Central via Route 232 to North Circular Road, North Circular Road, Bounds Green Road, Bounds Green Station, High Road, Wood Green Station, Lordship Lane, Route 243 to Bruce Grove Station, Route 123 to Broad Lane and route 230 to Walthamstow Central. To help out the 232. SL12: a new superloop route running between Colindale Asda and Northumberland Park Tescos. Via: Capitol Way, Route 303 to Edgware Road, Route 32 to West Hendon Broadway, Route 183 to Golders Green, Route 268 to Belsize Park, Route 1 to Camden Street, Camden Street, Camden Road, Route 29 to Manor House Station, Route 279 to Tottenham High Road, Monument Way, Route 123 to Tottenham Hale and Route 192 to Northumberland Park Tesco’s. To link Colindale, West Hendon and Golders Green with Finsbury Park and Tottenham. Unless you are planning to single deck the 292, I believe Colindeep Lane can’t take double deckers due to weight limit Fine I’ve changed its routing to go via the 142 instead.
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Post by cl54 on Aug 7, 2024 18:57:54 GMT
Not quite, but it is only 2-3 mins walk down to Blackheath Station from 386 bus stand. I've never seen anyone do it. The other justification was to link the Blackheath Hospital and the Queen Elizabeth Hospital on Woolwich Common. Far quicker by 89 and a change to a 178.
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Post by twobellstogo on Aug 7, 2024 19:33:19 GMT
Not quite, but it is only 2-3 mins walk down to Blackheath Station from 386 bus stand. I've never seen anyone do it. The other justification was to link the Blackheath Hospital and the Queen Elizabeth Hospital on Woolwich Common. Far quicker by 89 and a change to a 178. I probably wouldn’t even bother with a 178 on that particular journey, unless there was one directly behind the 89. I could probably walk from the nearest 89 stop to the hospital and still be quicker than a 386.
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Post by someone on Aug 7, 2024 19:41:25 GMT
I believe they were looking to use Norman Road as an alternative. There is no point running the 386 all the way to Blackheath Village because of the the pedestrianisation of the Cutty Sark area. I think the link between Greenwich and Blackheath Village should be kept, but the 386 may not be the best route to cover this. Might be better used if covering further links beyond this section? Currently the 386's indirect routeing means that any passengers boarding at Blackheath Village are unlikely to travel much further than Cutty Sark. I previously suggested a route covering Cutty Sark to Blackheath Village, then continuing to Eltham via Kidbrooke. This would also introduce a local link between Blackheath and Kidbrooke, which currently can only be done by train. Either as a new route, or perhaps an extension of the B16? Alternatively, when the Silvertown Tunnel opens (and therefore relieves congestion through the Blackwall tunnel), could consider introducing a more local route through Blackwall. This could run from Blackheath Village to Crossharbour, via Cutty Sark, North Greenwich, Poplar and Canary Wharf? Or could simply look at making the 386 more direct - though would likely require terminating at Cutty Sark. Could run from Cutty Sark to Blackheath Village, then direct to Blackheath Royal Standard, and back to the current line of route to Woolwich? The 286 could then divert to replace the section via Vanbrugh Hill and Westcombe Park Road, if the longer SDs can fit? And regarding the potential stand space issues at Cutty Sark, if necessary could a route perhaps extend to Deptford Bridge to terminate? The 453 had a PVR cut at some point, so might be some space there. Maybe that B16 withdrawal idea could go ahead if necessary but what then would happen to the benefits of the 126 extension to Woolwich? Also where's Norman Road?
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Post by twobellstogo on Aug 7, 2024 20:11:46 GMT
Also where's Norman Road? Southern end is just west of Greenwich Station, northern end it meets Creek Road near Waitrose New Capital Quay.
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