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Post by southlondonbus on Nov 21, 2024 18:57:47 GMT
Has a 227 / 358 swap between Beckenham and Shortlands ever been mooted? They’re different frequencies so not really practical. If I was swap anything I'd swap the 227 and 162 so there could be a DD route linking Bromley, Penge and Crystal Palace. The downside would be the slightly longer journey time. |
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Post by mrhk on Nov 23, 2024 22:29:26 GMT
Route 340 Restructure 340: Withdrawn between Edgware (and its potential extension to Colinale*) and curtailed to Stanmore Station. At the southern end, the route would be extended to Greenford Station via Northwick Park Hospital (Watford Road), Sudbury Court Road, Greenford Road, Sudbury Hill Harrow and via route 92 to stand at Greenford Station Last stop on the line towards Greenford would be Greenford Station/Rockware Avenue (shared with the 395) where the buses would then run out of service and loop around Westway Cross to terminate at Greenford Station. The first stop would be Rockware Avenue/Greenford Station before following route 92 again and preceeding along its normal (or proposed should I say) LOR. H12: Diverted at Stanmore Broadway and extended via current 340 to Edgware Bus Station. This is to make sure no current links along the 340 are broken (186 covers some of the southern section). *The reason why I personally am against an extension of the 340 to Colindale is that I'm not too sure it would be too popular, with the 142 already running between Stanmore and Colindale and also the 186 covering more local links through Grahame Park. Not to mention, a good few routes already run between Edgware and Colindale so passengers of the current 340 can easily switch at Edgware to reach Colindale and vice versa. Here is a more visual interpretation of what I have proposed. I've no idea how to insert more than one attachment so unfortunately I can only show this photo which includes my proposed 340 routing in orange and the H12 in yellow. Credits to bx04myt for inspiration on the mapped diagram  |
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Post by AB on Nov 23, 2024 23:43:50 GMT
Route 340 Restructure 340: Withdrawn between Edgware (and its potential extension to Colinale*) and curtailed to Stanmore Station. At the southern end, the route would be extended to Greenford Station via Northwick Park Hospital (Watford Road), Sudbury Court Road, Greenford Road, Sudbury Hill Harrow and via route 92 to stand at Greenford Station Last stop on the line towards Greenford would be Greenford Station/Rockware Avenue (shared with the 395) where the buses would then run out of service and loop around Westway Cross to terminate at Greenford Station. The first stop would be Rockware Avenue/Greenford Station before following route 92 again and preceeding along its normal (or proposed should I say) LOR. H12: Diverted at Stanmore Broadway and extended via current 340 to Edgware Bus Station. This is to make sure no current links along the 340 are broken (186 covers some of the southern section). *The reason why I personally am against an extension of the 340 to Colindale is that I'm not too sure it would be too popular, with the 142 already running between Stanmore and Colindale and also the 186 covering more local links through Grahame Park. Not to mention, a good few routes already run between Edgware and Colindale so passengers of the current 340 can easily switch at Edgware to reach Colindale and vice versa. Here is a more visual interpretation of what I have proposed. I've no idea how to insert more than one attachment so unfortunately I can only show this photo which includes my proposed 340 routing in orange and the H12 in yellow. Credits to bx04myt for inspiration on the mapped diagram View AttachmentI would be against any altering of the H12 as a person who has used the route quite often. It does actually run into quite a few traffic hotspots especially at Stanmore Broadway. I think the H14 could be extended to Greenford from Northwick Park Hospital that route has a more manageable length for that. The 340 could be sent to Northwick Park hospital but only with a termini swap with the 186. |
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Post by AB on Nov 25, 2024 8:56:01 GMT
With the 358 now having the ie trams on it, its reliability is now more important to get right & the route was running into many curtailments this week. It may be considered a controversial opinion, but the 358 should absolutely be rerouted via Elmers End Road. This is to improve its reliability & provide more of Elmers End with a link to Bromley & Crystal Palace. The 194 doesn’t need the additional support & most people from Penge/Beckenham use the 227 to go to Bromley as it is much more direct & higher frequency.
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Post by TB123 on Nov 25, 2024 9:12:20 GMT
With the 358 now having the ie trams on it, its reliability is now more important to get right & the route was running into many curtailments this week. It may be considered a controversial opinion, but the 358 should absolutely be rerouted via Elmers End Road. This is to improve its reliability & provide more of Elmers End with a link to Bromley & Crystal Palace. The 194 doesn’t need the additional support & most people from Penge/Beckenham use the 227 to go to Bromley as it is much more direct & higher frequency. I'd personally actually reroute the 194 if anything via Elmers End road - which was it's original route for a long time. I think the 358 is a tricky one because clearly it's probably a bit too long to operate effectively but the links across the borough are invaluable. I actually wonder if it would be worthy of splitting multiple ways whilst perhaps introducing some Superloop routes to maintain the links only faster. |
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Post by greenboy on Nov 25, 2024 9:40:47 GMT
With the 358 now having the ie trams on it, its reliability is now more important to get right & the route was running into many curtailments this week. It may be considered a controversial opinion, but the 358 should absolutely be rerouted via Elmers End Road. This is to improve its reliability & provide more of Elmers End with a link to Bromley & Crystal Palace. The 194 doesn’t need the additional support & most people from Penge/Beckenham use the 227 to go to Bromley as it is much more direct & higher frequency. I'd personally actually reroute the 194 if anything via Elmers End road - which was it's original route for a long time. I think the 358 is a tricky one because clearly it's probably a bit too long to operate effectively but the links across the borough are invaluable. I actually wonder if it would be worthy of splitting multiple ways whilst perhaps introducing some Superloop routes to maintain the links only faster. I certainly agree that either the 194 or 358 should be rerouted, there's arguments for and against both, at the moment they just duplicate each other between Penge and Eden Park. It also seems a bit odd that there's no route covering the full length of Elmers End Road whilst Beckenham Road has three routes. |
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Post by vjaska on Nov 25, 2024 12:36:51 GMT
With the 358 now having the ie trams on it, its reliability is now more important to get right & the route was running into many curtailments this week. It may be considered a controversial opinion, but the 358 should absolutely be rerouted via Elmers End Road. This is to improve its reliability & provide more of Elmers End with a link to Bromley & Crystal Palace. The 194 doesn’t need the additional support & most people from Penge/Beckenham use the 227 to go to Bromley as it is much more direct & higher frequency. The curtailments were due to the electrics entering service and obviously teething problems are going to happen with such a conversion. I don’t think a route should be amended because of the above situation. I’ve always remained of the opinion that extending the 432 to Elmers End via Birkbeck would be better. |
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Post by AB on Nov 25, 2024 13:10:32 GMT
With the 358 now having the ie trams on it, its reliability is now more important to get right & the route was running into many curtailments this week. It may be considered a controversial opinion, but the 358 should absolutely be rerouted via Elmers End Road. This is to improve its reliability & provide more of Elmers End with a link to Bromley & Crystal Palace. The 194 doesn’t need the additional support & most people from Penge/Beckenham use the 227 to go to Bromley as it is much more direct & higher frequency. The curtailments were due to the electrics entering service and obviously teething problems are going to happen with such a conversion. I don’t think a route should be amended because of the above situation. I’ve always remained of the opinion that extending the 432 to Elmers End via Birkbeck would be better. I would agree with an extension of the 432 to Elmers End if there was stand space available (though the 54/289 take it all up & can’t be viably extended or cutback). |
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Post by wirewiper on Nov 25, 2024 13:11:19 GMT
With the 358 now having the ie trams on it, its reliability is now more important to get right & the route was running into many curtailments this week. It may be considered a controversial opinion, but the 358 should absolutely be rerouted via Elmers End Road. This is to improve its reliability & provide more of Elmers End with a link to Bromley & Crystal Palace. The 194 doesn’t need the additional support & most people from Penge/Beckenham use the 227 to go to Bromley as it is much more direct & higher frequency. The curtailments were due to the electrics entering service and obviously teething problems are going to happen with such a conversion. I don’t think a route should be amended because of the above situation. I’ve always remained of the opinion that extending the 432 to Elmers End via Birkbeck would be better. The situation isn't being helped either by roadworks and four-way temporary traffic light control at the Links Way/South Eden Park roundabout, which will be in place until mid-December according to the 'Bus & Train User' blog. The service would be running much better without those. busandtrainuser.com/2024/11/23/worth-the-wait-or-worth-waiting-a-bit-longer/ |
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Post by DT 11 on Nov 25, 2024 13:19:54 GMT
The curtailments were due to the electrics entering service and obviously teething problems are going to happen with such a conversion. I don’t think a route should be amended because of the above situation. I’ve always remained of the opinion that extending the 432 to Elmers End via Birkbeck would be better. I would agree with an extension of the 432 to Elmers End if there was stand space available (though the 54/289 take it all up & can’t be viably extended or cutback). The Elmers End Green stand is still there. |
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Post by ibus246 on Nov 25, 2024 13:22:53 GMT
With the 358 now having the ie trams on it, its reliability is now more important to get right & the route was running into many curtailments this week. It may be considered a controversial opinion, but the 358 should absolutely be rerouted via Elmers End Road. This is to improve its reliability & provide more of Elmers End with a link to Bromley & Crystal Palace. The 194 doesn’t need the additional support & most people from Penge/Beckenham use the 227 to go to Bromley as it is much more direct & higher frequency. The curtailments were due to the electrics entering service and obviously teething problems are going to happen with such a conversion. I don’t think a route should be amended because of the above situation. I’ve always remained of the opinion that extending the 432 to Elmers End via Birkbeck would be better. The four way temp traffic light in Elmers End probably didn’t help things either |
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Post by COBO on Nov 26, 2024 4:13:34 GMT
67: extended from Dalston to St Paul’s via route 149 to Liverpool Street and 8 to St Paul’s. To relink some old links. I think some links were broken when the 242 was removed from St Paul’s.
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Post by imran on Nov 26, 2024 8:00:56 GMT
67: extended from Dalston to St Paul’s via route 149 to Liverpool Street and 8 to St Paul’s. To relink some old links. I think some links were broken when the 242 was removed from St Paul’s. The stand at St Paul’s is due to be removed in the future as part of the gyratory changes, so I’m afraid that’s a no. |
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Post by southlondon413 on Nov 26, 2024 8:15:01 GMT
67: extended from Dalston to St Paul’s via route 149 to Liverpool Street and 8 to St Paul’s. To relink some old links. I think some links were broken when the 242 was removed from St Paul’s. The stand at St Paul’s is due to be removed in the future as part of the gyratory changes, so I’m afraid that’s a no. There are additional stands being added to Giltspur Street to accommodate the 100 and anything additional so it is entirely possible. |
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Post by Connor on Nov 29, 2024 2:18:27 GMT
I was thinking a few ways to restructure a few routes in SE London to create more cross orbital links.
The first idea would be to extend the R2 from Orpington Station to Bexleyheath Shopping Centre. It would follow the 51 up to Crittalls Corner then via the A223 (Edgington Way and North Cray Road), Bexley, Gravel Hill and Bexleyheath. This would create a faster link than the existing B14 between Bexleyheath and Orpington and allow the 492 to be withdrawn between Bexleyheath and Sidcup (already linked by the 229/269/SL3). Biggin Hill gains new links to other areas of SE London besides Orpington and Bromley.
The second idea would be to reroute the 162 at Avery Hill. Instead of duplicating the 286 to Eltham Station, it would be routed via Falconwood Station, Lingfield Crescent, Northumberland Avenue (currently unserved), Westwood Lane, then via the B16 to Welling Corner, 96 to Okehampton Crescent, and then the B11 to Abbey Wood, Gayton Road. This would be create new links between a poorly connected part of SE London (Abbey Wood/Welling/New Eltham).
The third idea would be to axe the 61, with Bromley to Orpington covered by an extension of the 126 (Eltham High Street to Orpington, Walnuts Centre) and Orpington to Chislehurst covered by extending the 161 to Orpington. The 161 would be chopped between Woolwich to North Greenwich and replaced by rerouting the 472 to follow the existing 161 via East Greenwich. This is more of a cost saving idea, while retaining all existing links.
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