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Post by rift on Sept 15, 2020 18:47:52 GMT
New bus route: 10: Elephant & Castle to North Greenwich Elephant & Castle (196) Vauxhall (196 then 36) Oval (36) Camberwell (36) Queen’s Road Peckham (36) New Cross Gate (36 then 177) Deptford Bridge (177) Greenwich (177 then 188) North Greenwich (188) Most of this could be done by taking the 436 then the 108, which if I’m right is within the Hopper 1 hour
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Post by greg on Sept 15, 2020 22:58:46 GMT
New bus route: 10: Elephant & Castle to North Greenwich Elephant & Castle (196) Vauxhall (196 then 36) Oval (36) Camberwell (36) Queen’s Road Peckham (36) New Cross Gate (36 then 177) Deptford Bridge (177) Greenwich (177 then 188) North Greenwich (188) Most of this could be done by taking the 436 then the 108, which if I’m right is within the Hopper 1 hour Thought about the big similarity with the 436 on here aswell, but I didn’t say anything because it’s not my local. Also where would you reach the 108, it does not stop anywhere along that route except at North Greenwich. It is basically a duplicate of the 36/436 though between New Cross and Vauxhall.
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Post by abz91 on Sept 16, 2020 16:22:06 GMT
Got Great idea Route Route 549 increased frequency Maybe extended to Wanstead via W13 good Area Connection Wanstead to Loughton. Full day Route
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2020 16:24:28 GMT
Got Great idea Route Route 549 increased frequency Maybe extended to Wanstead via W13 good Area Connection Wanstead to Loughton. Full day Route But why? The W13 manages just fine from South Woodford towards Wanstead so that would be very overbussed. If anything thr 549 will probably be at risk of cuts in the future.
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Post by abz91 on Sept 16, 2020 16:39:17 GMT
Maybe I thought good Idea and Local still use to Route Broadmead road plus I use sometimes stop outside My Estate and W14 it can be saved from cuts. And it’s follow Central Line.
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Post by abz91 on Sept 16, 2020 16:39:48 GMT
Maybe I thought good Idea and Local still use to Route Broadmead road plus I use sometimes stop outside My Estate and W14 it can be saved from cuts. And it’s follow Central Line.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2020 17:16:41 GMT
Maybe I thought good Idea and Local still use to Route Broadmead road plus I use sometimes stop outside My Estate and W14 it can be saved from cuts. And it’s follow Central Line. Sorry but some of your posts are confusing. You state the very thing that puts the route at risk both the W14 and Central Line duplicate the route at various points, the route runs infrequently at around every 70 mins. I know its a route with a PVR of one but think the money spent on this route could be put the better use elsewhere
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Post by wirewiper on Sept 16, 2020 18:00:01 GMT
The 549 has only survived as a TfL route as it provides the only service to Hillside Avenue and a short section of Buckhurst Way which are still within Greater London. It could yet be cut back to Buckhurst Hill or even withdrawn without replacement. Essex County Council and Epping Forest District Council do not support any TfL bus routes financially.
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Post by southlondonbus on Sept 16, 2020 20:35:15 GMT
Probably why its only every hour. I think only the 146, 375, R5/R10, R8 and currently the W10 are the only with the freq now or less
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Post by galwhv69 on Sept 16, 2020 20:51:45 GMT
Probably why its only every hour. I think only the 146, 375, R5/R10, R8 and currently the W10 are the only with the freq now or less 969
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Post by towertransit70 on Sept 16, 2020 21:09:54 GMT
Hello all. I have come up with route changes:
1) 272: East Acton - Richmond via 391: It would go its normal routing at Turnham Green Church where it would follow the 391 to Richmond Bus Station, effectively withdrawing the 391 route. I think it has no purpose on Du Can Road, it faces reliability issues due to traffic in White City, Chiswick and a bit in East Acton. For cavendish road, the E3 (which is more frequent) can loop around that area. I know it can defo do it as I saw a PB Garage Enviro400 on training using that section. I would say to make the route more frequent at every 12 mins. Running time: 25 - 65/70 Mins!! I think this would beat the propsed 391/110 merging as it would make the route too unreliable and long! 2) 72: East Acton Lane - Goldsmith Arms - Hammersmith Bridge: Would follow the 70 from to Golsmith Close. There is a stand there which it can follow. Same frequency! This is due to stand space at East Acton following the 272 routing! Will make the total running time of 20 - 45 Mins
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Post by barrypotter on Sept 16, 2020 22:58:34 GMT
Probably why its only every hour. I think only the 146, 375, R5/R10, R8 and currently the W10 are the only with the freq now or less The 385 is every 70 minutes.
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Post by redexpress on Sept 17, 2020 8:45:05 GMT
Hello all. I have come up with route changes: 1) 272: East Acton - Richmond via 391: It would go its normal routing at Turnham Green Church where it would follow the 391 to Richmond Bus Station, effectively withdrawing the 391 route. I think it has no purpose on Du Can Road, it faces reliability issues due to traffic in White City, Chiswick and a bit in East Acton. For cavendish road, the E3 (which is more frequent) can loop around that area. I know it can defo do it as I saw a PB Garage Enviro400 on training using that section. I would say to make the route more frequent at every 12 mins. Running time: 25 - 65/70 Mins!! I think this would beat the propsed 391/110 merging as it would make the route too unreliable and long! 2) 72: East Acton Lane - Goldsmith Arms - Hammersmith Bridge: Would follow the 70 from to Golsmith Close. There is a stand there which it can follow. Same frequency! This is due to stand space at East Acton following the 272 routing! Will make the total running time of 20 - 45 Mins I think the main problem with cutting the 272 back to East Acton is that it breaks links to Hammersmith Hospital. I reckon it should be manageable as a Shepherd's Bush - Richmond route (or maybe White City - Richmond) despite the traffic. It certainly seems more manageable to me than the planned 110/391.
I'm not sure about making the E3 loop through the Grove Park area. It would make the journey much longer for people travelling to/from Edensor Road. Perhaps the 440 could be extended to Grove Park instead. The 272 could run via Wellesley Road with the 440 sticking to the main road.
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Post by rif153 on Sept 17, 2020 18:26:26 GMT
Hello all. I have come up with route changes: 1) 272: East Acton - Richmond via 391: It would go its normal routing at Turnham Green Church where it would follow the 391 to Richmond Bus Station, effectively withdrawing the 391 route. I think it has no purpose on Du Can Road, it faces reliability issues due to traffic in White City, Chiswick and a bit in East Acton. For cavendish road, the E3 (which is more frequent) can loop around that area. I know it can defo do it as I saw a PB Garage Enviro400 on training using that section. I would say to make the route more frequent at every 12 mins. Running time: 25 - 65/70 Mins!! I think this would beat the propsed 391/110 merging as it would make the route too unreliable and long! 2) 72: East Acton Lane - Goldsmith Arms - Hammersmith Bridge: Would follow the 70 from to Golsmith Close. There is a stand there which it can follow. Same frequency! This is due to stand space at East Acton following the 272 routing! Will make the total running time of 20 - 45 Mins I think the main problem with cutting the 272 back to East Acton is that it breaks links to Hammersmith Hospital. I reckon it should be manageable as a Shepherd's Bush - Richmond route (or maybe White City - Richmond) despite the traffic. It certainly seems more manageable to me than the planned 110/391.
I'm not sure about making the E3 loop through the Grove Park area. It would make the journey much longer for people travelling to/from Edensor Road. Perhaps the 440 could be extended to Grove Park instead. The 272 could run via Wellesley Road with the 440 sticking to the main road.
Agree entirely with what you've said there. I think the idea of extending the 272 to Richmond would work quite well for giving a handy link from Richmond to Acton Vale and East Acton, currently if you want to head north east from Richmond your options are pretty limited with only the 65, 190 and 391 available. I think what Chiswick High Road really needs is a third double decker route, removing the 27 was idiotic. For the idea of extending the 72 to Goldsmiths Arms (the pub no longer existed) I know it would've been just to free up stand space but the congestion there of cars trying to get on to the A40 during the peaks really hurting the service on the 70. A LTN has gone in place in the surrounding side roads which I understand has made East Acton Lane even more congested.
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Post by towertransit70 on Sept 17, 2020 19:13:36 GMT
I think the main problem with cutting the 272 back to East Acton is that it breaks links to Hammersmith Hospital. I reckon it should be manageable as a Shepherd's Bush - Richmond route (or maybe White City - Richmond) despite the traffic. It certainly seems more manageable to me than the planned 110/391.
I'm not sure about making the E3 loop through the Grove Park area. It would make the journey much longer for people travelling to/from Edensor Road. Perhaps the 440 could be extended to Grove Park instead. The 272 could run via Wellesley Road with the 440 sticking to the main road.
Agree entirely with what you've said there. I think the idea of extending the 272 to Richmond would work quite well for giving a handy link from Richmond to Acton Vale and East Acton, currently if you want to head north east from Richmond your options are pretty limited with only the 65, 190 and 391 available. I think what Chiswick High Road really needs is a third double decker route, removing the 27 was idiotic. For the idea of extending the 72 to Goldsmiths Arms (the pub no longer existed) I know it would've been just to free up stand space but the congestion there of cars trying to get on to the A40 during the peaks really hurting the service on the 70. A LTN has gone in place in the surrounding side roads which I understand has made East Acton Lane even more congested. I agree about your last point. I think that might just make the 72 unreliable. I also have an idea for the 283 for it to be extended further at Willesden Junction/Park Royal Bus Garage aiding with driver changeovers plus it can help to aid the unreliable 228 during peak hours, considering its bloody every 20 mins. I hope Tower Transit can address this issue by perhaps making it more frequent as its well used. In terms of Chiswick High Road needing another route, only the 9 could do it well because it has the least running time of up to 54 mins. I would terminate this at Chiswick, Business Park following the 27 old routing. It would take around 20 mins in the peak times, bringing the total running time of around 75 mins. Long, but it's ok. But, would that perhaps over bus that section as its quite frequent? In regards to my 272 plan, the best way would be to terminate at White City, instead of Shepherds Bush, so it can maintain links with Hammersmith Hospital. It would save around 10 mins of total traffic between this section, perhaps making the route more reliable in peak times. That would bring the total running time of around 80 mins. Not too long for a route linking the two areas together. Do you guys think that increasing the frequency to every 12 mins is appropriate?
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