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Post by greg on Sept 17, 2020 20:31:27 GMT
Agree entirely with what you've said there. I think the idea of extending the 272 to Richmond would work quite well for giving a handy link from Richmond to Acton Vale and East Acton, currently if you want to head north east from Richmond your options are pretty limited with only the 65, 190 and 391 available. I think what Chiswick High Road really needs is a third double decker route, removing the 27 was idiotic. For the idea of extending the 72 to Goldsmiths Arms (the pub no longer existed) I know it would've been just to free up stand space but the congestion there of cars trying to get on to the A40 during the peaks really hurting the service on the 70. A LTN has gone in place in the surrounding side roads which I understand has made East Acton Lane even more congested. I agree about your last point. I think that might just make the 72 unreliable. I also have an idea for the 283 for it to be extended further at Willesden Junction/Park Royal Bus Garage aiding with driver changeovers plus it can help to aid the unreliable 228 during peak hours, considering its bloody every 20 mins. I hope Tower Transit can address this issue by perhaps making it more frequent as its well used. In terms of Chiswick High Road needing another route, only the 9 could do it well because it has the least running time of up to 54 mins. I would terminate this at Chiswick, Business Park following the 27 old routing. It would take around 20 mins in the peak times, bringing the total running time of around 75 mins. Long, but it's ok. But, would that perhaps over bus that section as its quite frequent? In regards to my 272 plan, the best way would be to terminate at White City, instead of Shepherds Bush, so it can maintain links with Hammersmith Hospital. It would save around 10 mins of total traffic between this section, perhaps making the route more reliable in peak times. That would bring the total running time of around 80 mins. Not too long for a route linking the two areas together. Do you guys think that increasing the frequency to every 12 mins is appropriate? Regarding the stands here I have always been confused on Shepherd’s Bush Station and White City Bus Station. All routes that terminate at “White City” terminate at Shepherd’s Bush Station as the alighting point, its main exit is outside Westfield aswell as the Overground station, so why is it called White City Bus Station, if only the 72, 95, 220, 228 and 272 serve White City Station and not Shepherd’s Bush bar the 228. Buses that terminate at Shepherd’s Bush Green should just be blinded for Shepherd’s Bush Green aka the 148, it makes it more easier to find them. I don’t know where the 95, 272 stand but the blind names all need updates. Same goes for Brent Cross, it is a shopping centre in the middle of a dual carriageway and more than half of the blinds simply say Brent Cross, and out of all the routes at Brent Cross Shopping Centre, only the 210 actually serves the station. Its not a place to walk for a bus, there is no footpaths there. A “Shopping Centre” qualifier added to Brent Cross would be very much helpful and less confusing.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Sept 17, 2020 20:46:46 GMT
Does the corridor between London Bridge & Waterloo get busy at night?
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Post by vjaska on Sept 17, 2020 21:48:08 GMT
I agree about your last point. I think that might just make the 72 unreliable. I also have an idea for the 283 for it to be extended further at Willesden Junction/Park Royal Bus Garage aiding with driver changeovers plus it can help to aid the unreliable 228 during peak hours, considering its bloody every 20 mins. I hope Tower Transit can address this issue by perhaps making it more frequent as its well used. In terms of Chiswick High Road needing another route, only the 9 could do it well because it has the least running time of up to 54 mins. I would terminate this at Chiswick, Business Park following the 27 old routing. It would take around 20 mins in the peak times, bringing the total running time of around 75 mins. Long, but it's ok. But, would that perhaps over bus that section as its quite frequent? In regards to my 272 plan, the best way would be to terminate at White City, instead of Shepherds Bush, so it can maintain links with Hammersmith Hospital. It would save around 10 mins of total traffic between this section, perhaps making the route more reliable in peak times. That would bring the total running time of around 80 mins. Not too long for a route linking the two areas together. Do you guys think that increasing the frequency to every 12 mins is appropriate? Regarding the stands here I have always been confused on Shepherd’s Bush Station and White City Bus Station. All routes that terminate at “White City” terminate at Shepherd’s Bush Station as the alighting point, its main exit is outside Westfield aswell as the Overground station, so why is it called White City Bus Station, if only the 72, 95, 220, 228 and 272 serve White City Station and not Shepherd’s Bush bar the 228. Buses that terminate at Shepherd’s Bush Green should just be blinded for Shepherd’s Bush Green aka the 148, it makes it more easier to find them. I don’t know where the 95, 272 stand but the blind names all need updates. Same goes for Brent Cross, it is a shopping centre in the middle of a dual carriageway and more than half of the blinds simply say Brent Cross, and out of all the routes at Brent Cross Shopping Centre, only the 210 actually serves the station. Its not a place to walk for a bus, there is no footpaths there. A “Shopping Centre” qualifier added to Brent Cross would be very much helpful and less confusing. I’m struggling to understand what you mean regarding Shepherds Bush & White City? Whilst I agree with having more descriptive blinds, you can walk from Brent Cross Station to the shopping centre along pavements & footpaths the entire way.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Sept 17, 2020 21:49:04 GMT
Regarding the stands here I have always been confused on Shepherd’s Bush Station and White City Bus Station. All routes that terminate at “White City” terminate at Shepherd’s Bush Station as the alighting point, its main exit is outside Westfield aswell as the Overground station, so why is it called White City Bus Station, if only the 72, 95, 220, 228 and 272 serve White City Station and not Shepherd’s Bush bar the 228. Buses that terminate at Shepherd’s Bush Green should just be blinded for Shepherd’s Bush Green aka the 148, it makes it more easier to find them. I don’t know where the 95, 272 stand but the blind names all need updates. Same goes for Brent Cross, it is a shopping centre in the middle of a dual carriageway and more than half of the blinds simply say Brent Cross, and out of all the routes at Brent Cross Shopping Centre, only the 210 actually serves the station. Its not a place to walk for a bus, there is no footpaths there. A “Shopping Centre” qualifier added to Brent Cross would be very much helpful and less confusing. I’m struggling to understand what you mean regarding Shepherds Bush & White City? Whilst I agree with having more descriptive blinds, you can walk from Brent Cross Station to the shopping centre along pavements & footpaths the entire way. Though a not a vety attractive walk - I prefer to get a 210.
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Post by vjaska on Sept 17, 2020 21:58:17 GMT
I’m struggling to understand what you mean regarding Shepherds Bush & White City? Whilst I agree with having more descriptive blinds, you can walk from Brent Cross Station to the shopping centre along pavements & footpaths the entire way. Though a not a vety attractive walk - I prefer to get a 210. I agree it’s not attractive but the point wasn’t how attractive it is but that it actually exists.
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Post by greg on Sept 17, 2020 22:16:59 GMT
Though a not a vety attractive walk - I prefer to get a 210. I agree it’s not attractive but the point wasn’t how attractive it is but that it actually exists. I’m going to have to agree here, it may exist but it is extremely dangerous. Most people just go for the 210 option here as the only bus route that stops along the dual carriageway at Brent Cross is the 113, with all the other routes stopping at the bus station for a longer distance.
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Post by greg on Sept 17, 2020 22:19:33 GMT
Regarding the stands here I have always been confused on Shepherd’s Bush Station and White City Bus Station. All routes that terminate at “White City” terminate at Shepherd’s Bush Station as the alighting point, its main exit is outside Westfield aswell as the Overground station, so why is it called White City Bus Station, if only the 72, 95, 220, 228 and 272 serve White City Station and not Shepherd’s Bush bar the 228. Buses that terminate at Shepherd’s Bush Green should just be blinded for Shepherd’s Bush Green aka the 148, it makes it more easier to find them. I don’t know where the 95, 272 stand but the blind names all need updates. Same goes for Brent Cross, it is a shopping centre in the middle of a dual carriageway and more than half of the blinds simply say Brent Cross, and out of all the routes at Brent Cross Shopping Centre, only the 210 actually serves the station. Its not a place to walk for a bus, there is no footpaths there. A “Shopping Centre” qualifier added to Brent Cross would be very much helpful and less confusing. I’m struggling to understand what you mean regarding Shepherds Bush & White City? Whilst I agree with having more descriptive blinds, you can walk from Brent Cross Station to the shopping centre along pavements & footpaths the entire way. Basically, the blind name for bus routes terminating at White City. The 31, 49, 207, 237, 260, etc They terminate at Shepherd’s Bush Station and White City is about a 15 minute ride away so I wonder why it just isnt 31 Shepherds Bush rather than 31 White City quite misleading as most people still call it Shepherds Bush rather than saying “Lets go White City”
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Post by george on Sept 17, 2020 22:27:17 GMT
I’m struggling to understand what you mean regarding Shepherds Bush & White City? Whilst I agree with having more descriptive blinds, you can walk from Brent Cross Station to the shopping centre along pavements & footpaths the entire way. Basically, the blind name for bus routes terminating at White City. The 31, 49, 207, 237, 260, etc They terminate at Shepherd’s Bush Station and White City is about a 15 minute ride away so I wonder why it just isnt 31 Shepherds Bush rather than 31 White City quite misleading as most people still call it Shepherds Bush rather than saying “Lets go White City” All those routes terminate at White City bus station it's just that most people get off at Shepherds Bush station but there is nothing stopping you from carrying on to White City. Although I do remember one time when a C1 driver looked very surprised that I didn't get off at Shepherds Bush.
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Post by richard on Sept 17, 2020 23:10:16 GMT
Does the corridor between London Bridge & Waterloo get busy at night? I'm not sure about Waterloo but every time I am on London Bridge itself there is more buses than passengers and that was before covid
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Post by vjaska on Sept 18, 2020 1:36:23 GMT
I’m struggling to understand what you mean regarding Shepherds Bush & White City? Whilst I agree with having more descriptive blinds, you can walk from Brent Cross Station to the shopping centre along pavements & footpaths the entire way. Basically, the blind name for bus routes terminating at White City. The 31, 49, 207, 237, 260, etc They terminate at Shepherd’s Bush Station and White City is about a 15 minute ride away so I wonder why it just isnt 31 Shepherds Bush rather than 31 White City quite misleading as most people still call it Shepherds Bush rather than saying “Lets go White City” As george says, they don't terminate at Shepherds Bush - the last stop for all White City terminating routes is the alighting point at White City Bus Station. I know this because I've rode into White City Bus Station countless times mainly whilst doing my end to end routes challenge. Only the 95, 148 & 272 terminate at Shepherds Bush. I can also ensure you that White City isn't 15 minutes away from Shepherds Bush by bus - it's not even 15 minutes by walking. By bus, it's about 5 minutes.
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Post by twobellstogo on Sept 18, 2020 6:58:29 GMT
Does the corridor between London Bridge & Waterloo get busy at night? To me, it looked as though demand was pretty weak even before covid, so I imagine now it’s even worse. The 381 is plenty enough here imo.
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Post by londonboy71 on Sept 18, 2020 7:43:19 GMT
I never understood why the blinds didntjust say " Westfield" that's the reason most people take these buses anyway. Makes more sense to me but what do I know I'm so old I can still remember Trams !!
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Post by greenboy on Sept 18, 2020 7:55:02 GMT
I never understood why the blinds didntjust say " Westfield" that's the reason most people take these buses anyway. Makes more sense to me but what do I know I'm so old I can still remember Trams !! That's exactly what I thought.... I wonder how many times drivers of buses blinded for White City get asked if they are going to Westfield?
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Post by bus12451 on Sept 18, 2020 8:10:53 GMT
I never understood why the blinds didntjust say " Westfield" that's the reason most people take these buses anyway. Makes more sense to me but what do I know I'm so old I can still remember Trams !! This does make sense but the blinds would have to say "Westfield White City" because obviously there are two Westfields.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2020 8:13:16 GMT
I never understood why the blinds didntjust say " Westfield" that's the reason most people take these buses anyway. Makes more sense to me but what do I know I'm so old I can still remember Trams !! Westfield is not exactly clear would much rather White City. Have to consider people who are not familiar with the area but having said that I'm sure Blackwall probably causes some confuse to people in central London when boarding a 15. TfL maybe needs to review blind displays again. Never understood why words such as station were removed.
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