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Post by ADH45258 on Sept 20, 2020 18:39:05 GMT
309 - Cut back to Bethnal Green Station, and instead extended to Wapping via route D3. 100 - Withdrawn from Shadwell, and extended from Wapping to Leamouth via route D3. D3 - Withdrawn. D6 - Rerouted to Bonner Road in Bethnal Green (current 309/D3 stand). I'm at confused about the 309, do you mean extended from Canning Town? Would make it a very around the houses long route and almost a complete circle in a roundabout way. Or did you mean turn left at Bethnal Green and follow current D3 route? My revised 309 would be Wapping to Canning Town via Bethnal Green
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2020 19:01:59 GMT
I'm at confused about the 309, do you mean extended from Canning Town? Would make it a very around the houses long route and almost a complete circle in a roundabout way. Or did you mean turn left at Bethnal Green and follow current D3 route? My revised 309 would be Wapping to Canning Town via Bethnal Green Ok - Don't think it would work IMO, as I said before its already a fairly indirect route and also the Solos just about cope on the current 309 not sure how suitable they would be on the revised section.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2020 19:03:09 GMT
309 - Cut back to Bethnal Green Station, and instead extended to Wapping via route D3. 100 - Withdrawn from Shadwell, and extended from Wapping to Leamouth via route D3. D3 - Withdrawn. D6 - Rerouted to Bonner Road in Bethnal Green (current 309/D3 stand). Why are people obsessed with withdrawing routes that have good usage? I know! I am getting RSI scrolling pass page after page, could almost create a whole new forum just on revised routes
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Post by greg on Sept 20, 2020 19:40:44 GMT
New route: 421: Dalston Junction to New Cross Gate
Dalston Junction (76) Old Street (76 then 205) Shoreditch High Street (205) Commercial Street & Old Spitafields Market (242) Aldgate (242 then 343) Tower Gateway (343) London Bridge (343 then 21) Borough (21) Bricklayers Arms (21) Old Kent Road (21) New Cross Gate (21)
This route will be kind of twisty, like for example Commercial Street with Spitafields, can be done on the 242 to Dalston much quicker rather than the 421, but its more of local journeys. Same for Shoreditch and London Bridge, the 35/149/388 is a straight route and quicker compared to the 421.
Also one thing about it is giving Old Spitafields Market and Brick Lane a route towards South London which for some reason does not exist and you have to walk quite alot to Aldgate nearby the station rather than Brick Lane to catch a 42 or 78, and the 343 doesn’t even have any official stops with the 343 tile its so confusing.
Other related changes: The 21 suffers from bad traffic, and also with the new Old Street Roundabout mess, and the slight overbus at Moorgate, I would make that 421 exist as its a great link connector and replacing the 21’s northern section and taking a slightly more useful route and is also shorter than the 21’s current route making the 21 and 421 easier routes and quicker.
Changes related to these:
21 - cut back to Moorgate, Finsbury Square (there is A LOT OF stand space, and you connect with the 421 from London Bridge or Old Street which is closer to walk as the 421 goes via Aldgate and Old Spitafields Market)
135 - extended from Old Street to Newington Green (?) I think the 421 is better suited at Dalston personally and will pick up more, and the 76 needs some support too, so I would extend the 135 to replace the mini 21 section and the 421 going to Dalston.
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Post by vjaska on Sept 20, 2020 20:25:09 GMT
New route: 421: Dalston Junction to New Cross Gate Dalston Junction (76) Old Street (76 then 205) Shoreditch High Street (205) Commercial Street & Old Spitafields Market (242) Aldgate (242 then 343) Tower Gateway (343) London Bridge (343 then 21) Borough (21) Bricklayers Arms (21) Old Kent Road (21) New Cross Gate (21) This route will be kind of twisty, like for example Commercial Street with Spitafields, can be done on the 242 to Dalston much quicker rather than the 421, but its more of local journeys. Same for Shoreditch and London Bridge, the 35/149/388 is a straight route and quicker compared to the 421. Also one thing about it is giving Old Spitafields Market and Brick Lane a route towards South London which for some reason does not exist and you have to walk quite alot to Aldgate nearby the station rather than Brick Lane to catch a 42 or 78, and the 343 doesn’t even have any official stops with the 343 tile its so confusing. Other related changes: The 21 suffers from bad traffic, and also with the new Old Street Roundabout mess, and the slight overbus at Moorgate, I would make that 421 exist as its a great link connector and replacing the 21’s northern section and taking a slightly more useful route and is also shorter than the 21’s current route making the 21 and 421 easier routes and quicker. Changes related to these: 21 - cut back to Moorgate, Finsbury Square (there is A LOT OF stand space, and you connect with the 421 from London Bridge or Old Street which is closer to walk as the 421 goes via Aldgate and Old Spitafields Market) 135 - extended from Old Street to Newington Green (?) I think the 421 is better suited at Dalston personally and will pick up more, and the 76 needs some support too, so I would extend the 135 to replace the mini 21 section and the 421 going to Dalston. No comment on the route itself, I'll leave that to others but what I don't understand is cutting the 21 back and replacing it with an extended 135. The 21 is 9 miles long and the 135 is 8 miles long - an extension of the 135 would make it roughly 11 miles long in total and given it too meets bad traffic on the A13 and serves Old Street. I'd even argue the 21 sees less traffic than any extended 135.
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Post by britishguy54 on Sept 22, 2020 11:53:04 GMT
I think it would be useful if Barking & Dagenham had a new bus route... but where? I'm asking if you guys have any potential ideas for the area.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Sept 22, 2020 12:14:22 GMT
I think it would be useful if Barking & Dagenham had a new bus route... but where? I'm asking if you guys have any potential ideas for the area. Ideally one that heads out West, seeing as there's only 5-6 routes which do this depending on how you look at it. You have the 173, 366 and 325. Well the 325 is a real stretch as it barely enters the borough but they only make it to Beckton which is barely across the border to the borough. The other three I can think of are the 5, 86 and 238 and funnily enough each one of them is nothing short of severely overcrowded. I'd not actually make any huge changes, but instead of sending the 104 to Beckton once it's split I'd send it down the A13 to Barking via Fleet Road. It'd be very similar to the 238 in a 109/250 fashion but I think that corridor would do well with the extra capacity rather than just dumping another route at Beckton.
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Post by greg on Sept 22, 2020 20:32:24 GMT
New route: 421: Dalston Junction to New Cross Gate Dalston Junction (76) Old Street (76 then 205) Shoreditch High Street (205) Commercial Street & Old Spitafields Market (242) Aldgate (242 then 343) Tower Gateway (343) London Bridge (343 then 21) Borough (21) Bricklayers Arms (21) Old Kent Road (21) New Cross Gate (21) This route will be kind of twisty, like for example Commercial Street with Spitafields, can be done on the 242 to Dalston much quicker rather than the 421, but its more of local journeys. Same for Shoreditch and London Bridge, the 35/149/388 is a straight route and quicker compared to the 421. Also one thing about it is giving Old Spitafields Market and Brick Lane a route towards South London which for some reason does not exist and you have to walk quite alot to Aldgate nearby the station rather than Brick Lane to catch a 42 or 78, and the 343 doesn’t even have any official stops with the 343 tile its so confusing. Other related changes: The 21 suffers from bad traffic, and also with the new Old Street Roundabout mess, and the slight overbus at Moorgate, I would make that 421 exist as its a great link connector and replacing the 21’s northern section and taking a slightly more useful route and is also shorter than the 21’s current route making the 21 and 421 easier routes and quicker. Changes related to these: 21 - cut back to Moorgate, Finsbury Square (there is A LOT OF stand space, and you connect with the 421 from London Bridge or Old Street which is closer to walk as the 421 goes via Aldgate and Old Spitafields Market) 135 - extended from Old Street to Newington Green (?) I think the 421 is better suited at Dalston personally and will pick up more, and the 76 needs some support too, so I would extend the 135 to replace the mini 21 section and the 421 going to Dalston. No comment on the route itself, I'll leave that to others but what I don't understand is cutting the 21 back and replacing it with an extended 135. The 21 is 9 miles long and the 135 is 8 miles long - an extension of the 135 would make it roughly 11 miles long in total and given it too meets bad traffic on the A13 and serves Old Street. I'd even argue the 21 sees less traffic than any extended 135. Truesay.
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Post by britishguy54 on Sept 23, 2020 7:08:22 GMT
I think it would be useful if Barking & Dagenham had a new bus route... but where? I'm asking if you guys have any potential ideas for the area. Ideally one that heads out West, seeing as there's only 5-6 routes which do this depending on how you look at it. You have the 173, 366 and 325. Well the 325 is a real stretch as it barely enters the borough but they only make it to Beckton which is barely across the border to the borough. The other three I can think of are the 5, 86 and 238 and funnily enough each one of them is nothing short of severely overcrowded. I'd not actually make any huge changes, but instead of sending the 104 to Beckton once it's split I'd send it down the A13 to Barking via Fleet Road. It'd be very similar to the 238 in a 109/250 fashion but I think that corridor would do well with the extra capacity rather than just dumping another route at Beckton. Hmm... interesting idea. There could also be other options like the 115 to Barking (while 287 extended to Faircross), the 396 to Barking via Ilford Lane (one or the other), While a new route between Ilford and Beam Park or Romford via Upney and Dagenham, and like you said, the 104, but on the A13 and Movers Lane.
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Post by ssmoquette on Sept 23, 2020 20:02:21 GMT
Right, got a few ideas for Shepherd's Bush...
72/220/N72 - To avoid traffic on Shepherd's Bush Green, rerouted southbound via Ariel Way and Shepherd's Bush Bus Station. To avoid detouring to serve White City bus station, the taxi stand located by Westfield Square is to be turned into a bus stop. Buses would no longer serve stops WB and T on Wood Lane, and stop U on Uxbridge Road. Buses would instead serve a new bus stop on Ariel Way, and stop C in the bus station. Services to stops WB and T are to be still served with the 95 and N148.
272 - To avoid traffic on Shepherd's Bush Green, and to improve the route's atrocious reliability, the route would be cut to White City Bus Station, dropping off at the new bus stop on Ariel Way, using the stands underneath Westfield, and picking up at stop WG within the bus station. Buses would no longer serve stops WB and T on Wood Lane, stop U on Uxbridge Road, and stop F on Shepherd's Bush Green southbound, and would no longer serve stops N, S, and WD on Wood Lane. Passengers for these stops should either change at White City (tube) station for route 95 or walk from White City Bus Station to stops on Wood Lane, and at White City Bus Station for routes 31, 49, 72, 207, 220, 228, 237, 260, 316, 607, and C1 for Shepherd's Bush Green and stations.
148 - As the 272 has vacated its stands, the 148 now uses the stand located on the western side of Shepherd's Bush Green by stop N. The first stop is now stop N, before serving stop X. The drop off point remains stop E opposite the Central line station. 24-hour service withdrawn and replaced by N148.
N148 - Night service of 148 renumbered to clarify route.
X94 - New route from Hounslow, Bus Station to Oxford Circus. Route starts at stop F then stops at all 237 stops until Shepherd's Bush Road, then stops at stop A in Shepherd's Bush Bus Station, then uses Ariel Way, then A3220 slip road, A3320, A40 Westway, A501 Marylebone Road. First stop in Central London is Marylebone Station, stop N (last stop west is stop EU) then follows 453 route to Oxford Circus, stop RF. Bus stands in Holles Street with first stop being stop JB on John Princes Street, then following route above in (more or less) reverse. Runs in flow direction on Mon-Fri peaks only.
Opinions?
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Post by COBO on Sept 23, 2020 20:12:57 GMT
70: extended from Acton Town to Power Road via Bollo Lane, Chiswick Park Station, Acton Lane, South Parade, Acton Green, Fisher’s Lane, Chiswick High Road, Turnham Green, Town Hall Lane, Heathfield Terrace, Wellesley Road, Oxford Road, Chiswick High Road and Power Road. To restore certain links 218: extended from North Acton to Stonebridge Park via route 440 to Stonebridge Park. Withdrawn between Acton Vale and Hammersmith. To link West Acton with Central Middlesex Hospital. 306: extended from Acton Vale to North Acton via route 440 to North Acton. To maintain links lost by the 218. 440: withdrawn between Bollo Lane and Turnham Green. Diverted to Hammersmith via Bollo Lane, Chiswick Park Station, Acton Lane, Chiswick High Road and route 267. To link Hammersmith with Wembley. Rerouted between North Acton Station and Central Middlesex Hospital via route 266 to Willesden Junction and route 487 to Central Middlesex Hospital. Converted to double deck. E10: withdrawn between Greenford Broadway and Ealing Broadway. E12: new route running between Greenford Broadway and Turnham Green via Ruislip Road East, route E10 to Ealing Broadway, The Broadway, The Mall, Uxbridge Road, Gunnersbury Avenue, Chiswick Roundabout, Chiswick High Road, Oxford Road North and route 440 to Turnham Green. To link Ealing with Chiswick.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Sept 23, 2020 21:05:11 GMT
oute 420: Uxbridge - Greenford Bus Garage
Uxbridge Station (222, 420, A10, U1, U3) Uxbridge High Street (3, 222, 420, 427, 583, N207, U1, U3, U4, U5, U7) Crown Walk (420, 427, N207, U1, U3, U4, U7) Vine Street (420, 427, N207, U1, U3, U4, U7) Park Road (420, 607, A10) Hillingdon TA Centre (420, U2) Honey Hill (420, U2) Sweetcroft Lane (420, U2) Auriol Drive (420, U2) Hillingdon Station (420, Oxford Tube) Northolt Jet Centre (420) West End Road (420) Islip Manor Road (420) Target Roundabout (420) Kensington Road (420) Long Drive (420) Oldfield Lane North (420) Cowgate Road (92, 95, 105, 420, E6) Costons Lane (92, 95, 105, 420, E6) Ruislip Road East (92, 95, 105, 420, E6) Cardinal Wiseman High School (92, 282, 420, E5)
Benefits:
- Would link Uxbridge, Hillingdon, Northolt & Greenford Broadway using the A40 - Would serve lots of areas unserved by public transport
Negatives: - Would parallel Routes E10 & U2 too much - Would have traffic issues
Thoughts? What would you change?
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Post by rif153 on Sept 23, 2020 21:20:04 GMT
70: extended from Acton Town to Power Road via Bollo Lane, Chiswick Park Station, Acton Lane, South Parade, Acton Green, Fisher’s Lane, Chiswick High Road, Turnham Green, Town Hall Lane, Heathfield Terrace, Wellesley Road, Oxford Road, Chiswick High Road and Power Road. To restore certain links 218: extended from North Acton to Stonebridge Park via route 440 to Stonebridge Park. Withdrawn between Acton Vale and Hammersmith. To link West Acton with Central Middlesex Hospital. 306: extended from Acton Vale to North Acton via route 440 to North Acton. To maintain links lost by the 218. 440: withdrawn between Bollo Lane and Turnham Green. Diverted to Hammersmith via Bollo Lane, Chiswick Park Station, Acton Lane, Chiswick High Road and route 267. To link Hammersmith with Wembley. Rerouted between North Acton Station and Central Middlesex Hospital via route 266 to Willesden Junction and route 487 to Central Middlesex Hospital. Converted to double deck. E10: withdrawn between Greenford Broadway and Ealing Broadway. E12: new route running between Greenford Broadway and Turnham Green via Ruislip Road East, route E10 to Ealing Broadway, The Broadway, The Mall, Uxbridge Road, Gunnersbury Avenue, Chiswick Roundabout, Chiswick High Road, Oxford Road North and route 440 to Turnham Green. To link Ealing with Chiswick. E12: new route I like the idea of linking Hammersmith to Wembley and I think it would be a good idea to link the two, however I think your proposed 440 would be quite lengthy and suffer from terrible traffic alongside Chiswick High Road - the road is a car park all the way from Turnham Green to Chiswick Roundabout during the peaks so the 440 would suffer. I also think a Hammersmith to Wembley link would be better going via Askee Road, Acton, Horn Lane, North Acton, Central Middlesex Hospital and Stonebridge Park rather than the roundabout route via Chiswick.
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Post by britishguy54 on Sept 25, 2020 21:05:12 GMT
New and Existing London Buses Route Ideas (Just say if you agree, disagree or expand the ideas, just reply and I’m open to criticism)
(DISCLAIMER) Not all of these should happen. These are just ideas that could have potential
NEW 239: North Greenwich to Barking
North Greenwich Station (Jubilee) Blackwall Tunnel Canning Town Station (Jubilee, DLR) Royal Victoria Station (DLR) Custom House Station (Elizabeth, DLR) Prince Regent Station (DLR) Prince Regent Lane Newham Way High Street South Barking Town Centre Barking Station (District, H&C, Overground, c2c)
Reason: Provides a new link between North & South London. Barking recieves a new route west, can relieve East Ham-Barking corridor.
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NEW 348: Dagenham to Hornchurch
Dagenham ASDA Dagenham Dock Station (c2c) Dagenham, New Road Dagenham East, Ballards Road Rainham Road Elm Park Station (District) Hornchurch, Suttons Avenue Hornchurch Town Centre
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NEW EL4: Barking Riverside to Hornchurch
Barking Riverside Station (Overground) Choats Manor Way Dagenham, Chequers Corner Dagenham, New Road Dagenham East, Ballards Road Rainham Road Elm Park Station (District) Hornchurch, Suttons Avenue Hornchurch Town Centre
Reason: Useful new link between two close areas. Relieves bus interchanges in Romford. Provides links to new areas that lack nearby routes.
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NEW 369: Ilford to Beam Park
Ilford Broadway Ilford Town Centre South Park Drive Barking, Faircross Upney Station (District) Upney, Lodge Avenue Goresbrook Dagenham, New Road Beam Park Station (c2c)
Reason: Helps develop Beam Park, provides new links for Beam Park and Upney. Ilford recieves a new route not terminating at Hainault Street.
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NEW 373: Barkingside to Dagenham
Barkingside Station (Central) Barkingside, Fullwell Cross Fairlop Station (Central) Hainault Road Little Heath King George Hospital Goodmayes Station (Elizabeth) Lodge Avenue Porters Avenue Becontree Station (District) Hedgemans Road Church Elm Lane Dagenham East, Ballards Road
Reason: Goodmayes gets links to the Central line. Becontree recieves a new route to support the 145.
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NEW 374: Purfleet to Dagenham Heathway
Purfleet Station (c2c) Arterial Road Wennington Rainham Station (c2c) South Hornchurch Dagenham East, Ballards Road Dagenham Avenue for Dagenham Heathway Station (District)
Reason: Brings the Oyster Network to Purfleet. Useful cheap link between Rainham and Purfleet. Direct Heathway to Rainham link.
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EXTENSION 396: King George Hospital - Ilford - Barking
Ilford Lane Barking Station (District, H&C, Overground, c2c) Barking Town Centre
Reason: Supports the 169, 366 and EL1. Direct link between the two stations.
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NEW 439: Stratford to Canada Water
Stratford Station (Central, Jubilee, DLR, Overground, Elizabeth, Greater Anglia, c2c) Stratford High Street Station (DLR) Bow Interchange Bow Church (DLR) Bow Road Station (District, H&C) Mile End Station (District, H&C, Central) Mile End Park Limehouse Station (DLR, c2c) Rotherhithe Tunnel Rotherhithe Station (Overground) Canada Water Station (Jubilee, Overground)
Reason: Link between North and South. Limehouse and Rotherhithe link.
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EXTENSION 473: Stratford - North Woolwich - Woolwich
Woolwich Bridge Woolwich, Sainsbury’s Woolwich Arsenal Station (DLR, Southeastern, Thameslink)
Reason: If Woolwich Bridge is constructed, this could be a good alternative to the DLR)
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NEW 475: Romford to Barking
Romford Station (Overground, Elizabeth, Greater Anglia) Romford Market Romford, The Brewery Rush Green Barking & Dagenham College Dagenham East Station (District) Dagenham, New Road Alfreds Way Movers Lane Barking Town Centre Barking Station (District, H&C, Overground, c2c)
Reason: Route 5 needs a relief between Barking and Romford. A direct route would help a lot with that. Serving Dagenham in between.
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NEW N238: Stratford to Rainham, Abbey Wood Lane
Stratford Station (Central, Jubilee, DLR, Overground, Elizabeth, Greater Anglia, c2c) Portway Plashet Grove East Ham Station (District, H&C) Barking Town Centre Barking Station (District, H&C, Overground, c2c) Barking Town Centre Upney, Lodge Avenue Dagenham, New Road Rainham, Tesco Abbey Wood Lane
Reason: The 238 would no longer has night service, but now a night route + 287 at night would mean Rainham gets a night route. Useful Barking - Stratford night link kept intact.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Sept 25, 2020 21:25:22 GMT
A reply to britishguy54Route 348 sounds more useful than the EL4 however still don't quite see the pressing need for the route when the 287>372 matches demand adequately. The new 369 is basically just a 145 which goes another way going by your justification for providing Dagenham with an Ilford link, if anything the 145 will be more useful simply because this 369 proposal just follows the 145, then follows the 62 for a few stops then hits it down the A13 which isn't extremely crowded at the moment. I don't think Goodmayes is desperately crying out for a link to the Central Line, worst case scenario the EL3>396 easily does it within the hopper time limit and neither routes are bursting at the seams. The 145 doesn't need support in Becontree as the 62 exists and the route already manages along Hedgemans Road. At most a frequency increase to every 10 on the 145 would suffice. Re route 374. I don't think TfL need to invest in a cross boundary route to Purfleet when they already can't manage to sustain routes within the London boundary, Ensign already operate services in the area and are popular with commuters. It's not TfL's job to provide Purfleet with a bus service. Route 439 would not work as nothing larger than a minibus can get through the Rotherhithe Tunnel, the last time a bus used that was route 395. If someone wants to get from the Stratford/Mile End area to Canada Water it only costs £1.50 on the Overground anyway which is the same price as the bus. I don't think the Woolwich bridge is happening at all for the 473 extension. I don't see the need for the 475. While the 5 is an extremely busy route the majority of the usage happens from Becontree Heath onwards so a route running from Romford to Barking wouldn't do much to help it if it avoids following the 5. The 5 is also managing quite well, albeit still busy but manageable since the EL2 extension and there's better places to throw money at. The EL2 extension was certainly one of the smartest changes TfL have made in recent times. If anything this route would just be an unreliable mess going through Dagenham Heathway and the A13 and then needing to navigate Barking Town Centre on top of it. If someone in Romford wants to go to Barking and Dagenham college they have the 174, going Dagenham East they have the 103 and going Barking they have the 5.
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