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Post by route53 on Dec 5, 2020 15:28:11 GMT
I’ve done the 180 in a little over 30 mins, from Woolwich to Lewisham it can be 40 on bad days, especially since the road changes in East Greenwich just like the 122 can often be held up on the South Circular and that can take 40-45 mins. Not all changes are favourable, And this change doesn’t make any sense, splitting a route in half with no real overlap or replacement is senseless and more than enough of a reason be justifiably against it Yes, the 54 usually takes around 30 minutes, a little bit less during the night. As you mentioned, both the 122 and 180 can get caught in Greenwich and the SC. On good days however, I can reach Lewisham from Abbey Wood on the 180 in 50 minutes. 30 mins usually for the 122 between Woolwich and Lewisham as mentioned. Christmas Eve last year on the 122 was terrible, crawling through Well Hall Rd and Westhorne Ave for a good 30 minutes at least. NG is a major SE London hub that is constantly changing and growing, but I'd agree that this doesn't justify rerouting the Lewisham link. I would've simply increased the frequency of the 161 and 472. The 54 in truth is the best of the Woolwich-Lewisham bus routes for this reason, apart from the odd hold up at the Blackheath roundabout junction between Maze Hill and the A2, it’s a fairly quick route that rarely gets held up in traffic, beyond Lewisham of course is a different story. I was stuck on the 122 for nearly an hour last year by the roundabout in Eltham Green, the traffic on the South Circular is actually worse than on the A206 at times
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Post by Just an MCV Evolution.. on Dec 5, 2020 16:19:02 GMT
232: Withdrawn between Woodheys Road and St Raphaels. Rerouted to Stonebridge Park Station via 112 - Harrow Road - Point Place - Stonebride Park Station. Converted to electric double deckers. Replacement: 224 for Passengers travelling to Brent Park, 112 and 232 can be used from Conduit Way bus stop to travel towards Brent Cross. Why?: This small section of route is what stops the 232 from being a double decker. Something that is really needed, especially with the current restrictions of 14 people per 232. I use the 232 every week day and often find myself waiting a good 30 min before a bus I can board comes, often making me late. With an increased capacity to 30 people the 232 can still run every 15 min without getting too busy. And allowing social distancing to be properly enforced There was a time in the early 2000s that double deckers went on the 232. Unless some changes have been made to the routing I'm sure it's cleared to run double deckers. Can someone confirm this? Attachment DeletedI believe these are the trees in question
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Post by buspete on Dec 5, 2020 16:45:36 GMT
Never understood why the 286 never went up to North Greenwich and maybe the 422 went to Greenwich instead.
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Post by southlondonbus on Dec 5, 2020 17:47:19 GMT
The 286 does provide a useful link from Greenwich Town centre to Eltham which would be missed.
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Post by wirewiper on Dec 5, 2020 17:47:42 GMT
Never understood why the 286 never went up to North Greenwich and maybe the 422 went to Greenwich instead. The 286 was created to provide a direct link between Eltham and Greenwich, and to allow the 108 to be rerouted to Lewisham.
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Post by route53 on Dec 5, 2020 17:59:25 GMT
Never understood why the 286 never went up to North Greenwich and maybe the 422 went to Greenwich instead. Eltham already has two links to North Greenwich, take the 286 away from Greenwich and you’ll break a useful link between Sidcup, Avery Hill, Eltham and Greenwich Town Centre, What does need to happen to the 286 is for it to be double decked
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Dec 5, 2020 19:45:24 GMT
486 used to stand on Nags Head Lane before its extension to Bexleyheath. Not sure where the 489 could go to stand. Falconwood Green used to have a stand, but car parking round there would mean that would be a pain in the backside to use, there was also a bus stand just past Welling Station off Central Avenue (Tidford Road?) but I’m not sure how residents would react with buses turning there. 439 could use the Churchfield Road stand adjacent to Welling Library - although it wouldn't be able to serve the station in that case. That would be quite a long extension from Croydon.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Dec 5, 2020 19:51:01 GMT
All these SE London proposals has triggered the following idea
21 Extended to Eltham Church or Southend Crescent 321 Diverted to North Greenwich via Kidbrooke 335 Withdrawn P13 Extended to Lewisham
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Post by beaver14uk on Dec 5, 2020 20:02:17 GMT
There is still a stand on Vaughan Rd for 51 curtailments. 486 used to stand on Nags Head Lane before its extension to Bexleyheath. Not sure where the 489 could go to stand. Falconwood Green used to have a stand, but car parking round there would mean that would be a pain in the backside to use, there was also a bus stand just past Welling Station off Central Avenue (Tidford Road?) but I’m not sure how residents would react with buses turning there.
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Post by beaver14uk on Dec 5, 2020 20:11:57 GMT
The stand for the 180 will be Fraser Road. quote author=" twobellstogo" source="/post/607146/thread" timestamp="1607024172"] It’s not selfish I quite agree with you, the 180 works better in its current form, personally I don’t see the need for Erith to be connected to NG especially since Abbey Wood CrossRail will soon be down the road, it’s not the year 2000 when the Jubilee line extension was new, however for the sake of a compromise the 480 could be NG to Erith Riverside and the 180 maintains its western link between Lewisham & Plumstead I would use the 180 in its new proposed form, and I’m afraid I’m probably in a minority of one on this forum in supporting the 180 changes. Many people underestimate the demand for North Greenwich. It’s a station quite a decent distance from central London that lies in zone 2, which makes it a remarkably cheap way to travel quickly to the centre of town from quite a substantial area of South East London, and I think demand will still be heavy even after the Lizzy Line is opened. That said : once the 180 changes, I think it would be nice to see an upping of frequency on the 177, probably at all times. For those interested, Erith Quarry is still a building site, but a rather more complete building site than 6 months ago! My suspicion is the 180 terminal in the Quarry will be very close to Carlton Road, so almost Northumberland Heath. The B12 will also pass very close to the new estate and will provide the main service to Bexleyheath from the area - so that’s another route that may need enhancing in the future.[/quote]
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Post by beaver14uk on Dec 5, 2020 20:14:20 GMT
You have reminded me about the 286 at QM thanks. That’s why it would be better to split the 180 into two routes, with the NG to Erith portion being the 480. While I agree that demand for NG wont fall, CrossRail will still take a good portion of Abbey Wood and Woolwich customers away from there. Not a fan of 180/480 either I’m afraid: more 177s I think would suffice imo. Of your ideas on the previous page, I like the 129 on to Catford, and the 286 would be well worth converting to d/d, if a way can be found to sort out the problems with d/d on the Queen Mary’s Hospital loop. As far as extending it goes, I’d make it very minimal, just to get it away from Cutty Sark. Maybe a stand could be created at Waitrose or Greenwich Station, or maybe cram a second route into Deptford Bridge terminal. I would leave both the 291 and 386 be. R
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Post by Just an MCV Evolution.. on Dec 5, 2020 21:13:16 GMT
All these SE London proposals has triggered the following idea 21 Extended to Eltham Church or Southend Crescent 321 Diverted to North Greenwich via Kidbrooke 335 Withdrawn P13 Extended to Lewisham I don't have too much knowledge over SE but find it unlikely that they would withdraw the 335 since it's very new
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Dec 5, 2020 21:19:21 GMT
All these SE London proposals has triggered the following idea 21 Extended to Eltham Church or Southend Crescent 321 Diverted to North Greenwich via Kidbrooke 335 Withdrawn P13 Extended to Lewisham I don't have too much knowledge over SE but find it unlikely that they would withdraw the 335 since it's very new It would be replaced by the diversion of route 321, but yes it is a fairly new route.
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Post by twobellstogo on Dec 5, 2020 22:10:44 GMT
You have reminded me about the 286 at QM thanks. Not a fan of 180/480 either I’m afraid: more 177s I think would suffice imo. Of your ideas on the previous page, I like the 129 on to Catford, and the 286 would be well worth converting to d/d, if a way can be found to sort out the problems with d/d on the Queen Mary’s Hospital loop. As far as extending it goes, I’d make it very minimal, just to get it away from Cutty Sark. Maybe a stand could be created at Waitrose or Greenwich Station, or maybe cram a second route into Deptford Bridge terminal. I would leave both the 291 and 386 be. R Nice to be of use 😂
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Post by vjaska on Dec 5, 2020 23:01:32 GMT
I don't have too much knowledge over SE but find it unlikely that they would withdraw the 335 since it's very new It would be replaced by the diversion of route 321, but yes it is a fairly new route. The 335 has been a success according to locals on here so can't see why you would withdraw it - it's purpose is to link North Greenwich with the Kidbrooke Estate from what I can see. The P13 is already lengthy enough and has to deal with the South Circular's heavy traffic so making it longer isn't wise personally.
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