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Post by london23 on Jan 16, 2021 13:55:41 GMT
Do you think Extending the 244 from Abbey Wood to Erith Quarry via old 469 route and converting it to Doubledeckers is a good idea
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Post by london23 on Jan 16, 2021 13:56:11 GMT
instead of route 180 leave that as it is
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Post by vjaska on Jan 16, 2021 14:15:43 GMT
And what happens to Ilford’s link to the hospital? That would be of concern, however there is a same stop interchange between the 296 & 396 in both directions. Towards King George Hospital Route 86 would have a same stop interchange with the 396 proposal in Seven Kings. The other option is the 362 is simply extended to Barking though that may make the route quite long and also it would be too infrequent. It’s all very well that there is interchange but they currently have a direct link. Imagine you live at Newbury Park and your told that you must get an every 15 minute route down the road and then potentially wait every 20 minutes for the 396 whereas if you wait 20 minutes for a 396 as of now, you have a direct link and no extra 15 minute wait for another. Even with the more frequent 66, you still would have potentially been waiting longer than if the 396 was still there as it is currently.
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Post by bus12451 on Jan 16, 2021 14:23:38 GMT
Do you think Extending the 244 from Abbey Wood to Erith Quarry via old 469 route and converting it to Doubledeckers is a good idea Converting the 244 to DD operation is a no-brainer so I definitely agree with that. Rather than extending the 244 to Erith, I would instead increase the frequency of the 229 to 8 buses per hour to somewhat compensate for the loss of the 469 along Abbey Road. I partially agree with your second point about the 180 - the extension to Erith Quarry is good, its the reroute to NG that I have a problem with.
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Post by southlondonbus on Jan 16, 2021 14:34:02 GMT
Maybe the 180 could be diveted at Greenwich to Canada Water and the 129 extended to Lewisham and onto Catford Garage and withdraw the 199.
Whether there still is, but the plan is remove all terminating routes in Greenwich and to have just the 177 from Woolwich to Greenwich just dosent seem enough with the loadings. Continuing with the 129 exention would provide better capacity from Lewisham to North Greenwich. Route 47 could increase slightly (particularly on Sundays) to maintain the TL, Lewisham to Surrey Queys/Canada Water link and the 129 would maintain the current Greenwich to TL link.
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Post by northken on Jan 16, 2021 14:35:36 GMT
36 withdrawn between Paddington and Queen's Park. 23 withdrawn between junction of Inverness Terrace/Bishop's Bridge Road and Westbourne Park. Extended to Queen's Park via 36. 452 rerouted to Westbourne Park via 23 instead of Kensal Rise. 70 rerouted via Westbourne Grove along 23.
Purpose would be to reduce overbussing of Paddington to Queen's Park section of 36, whilst still retaining a decent frequency of 7.5bph. Many links to Paddington, Marble Arch and Hyde Park Corner would be retained by the 23. It would also go some way to tidying up Ladbroke Grove.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2021 14:39:20 GMT
I think that there should be another express Heathrow bus, but serving northwest and north London, a bit like the X26.
Here is what I propose: Starting at Heathrow Central, a non-stop section via the M4 spur, M4 J4 to J3, A312 to Yeading White Hart
Then stopping at the following stops: Northolt station Harrow bus station Harrow and Wealdstone Stations Long Elms (Harrow Weald) Stanmore Broadway (following H12 to Stanmore) Apex Corner Stirling Corner Barnet, the Spires.
Could be given any number, maybe X312 as it broadly follows the A312 for part of its journey. If stand space at Heathrow is limited, the A10 could do a double run and terminate at Terminal 5 (as someone suggested) This proposal would restore a Heathrow link to Harrow Weald and Wealdstone and would be faster than the X140 which stops more frequently. It also provides a Heathrow link to places further from Heathrow
Route would be DD and operate every 30 minutes at all times. A night service would operate at weekends, hourly.
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Post by bus12451 on Jan 16, 2021 14:47:17 GMT
Maybe the 180 could be diveted at Greenwich to Canada Water and the 129 extended to Lewisham and onto Catford Garage and withdraw the 199. Whether there still is, but the plan is remove all terminating routes in Greenwich and to have just the 177 from Woolwich to Greenwich just dosent seem enough with the loadings. Continuing with the 129 exention would provide better capacity from Lewisham to North Greenwich. Route 47 could increase slightly (particularly on Sundays) to maintain the TL, Lewisham to Surrey Queys/Canada Water link and the 129 would maintain the current Greenwich to TL link. That's a good idea on paper, though some would argue that it would make the 180 too long, an extension from Charlton Station to Canada Water, rather than NG would add on another 2 miles. It may work however if another route is introduced from Erith Quarry to Abbey Wood/Woolwich, replacing the proposed 180 reroute to EQ, a new 480 perhaps?
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Post by LondonNorthern on Jan 16, 2021 14:47:50 GMT
That would be of concern, however there is a same stop interchange between the 296 & 396 in both directions. Towards King George Hospital Route 86 would have a same stop interchange with the 396 proposal in Seven Kings. The other option is the 362 is simply extended to Barking though that may make the route quite long and also it would be too infrequent. It’s all very well that there is interchange but they currently have a direct link. Imagine you live at Newbury Park and your told that you must get an every 15 minute route down the road and then potentially wait every 20 minutes for the 396 whereas if you wait 20 minutes for a 396 as of now, you have a direct link and no extra 15 minute wait for another. Even with the more frequent 66, you still would have potentially been waiting longer than if the 396 was still there as it is currently. You're right, it would be better left alone as it is and maybe a brand new route introduced.
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Post by southlondonbus on Jan 16, 2021 14:49:15 GMT
Good point about making the 180. Is the current 180 considered too long to run from Erith to Lewisham?
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Post by enviroPB on Jan 16, 2021 14:50:03 GMT
I think that there should be another express Heathrow bus, but serving northwest and north London, a bit like the X26. Here is what I propose: Starting at Heathrow Central, a non-stop section via the M4 spur, M4 J4 to J3, A312 to Yeading White Hart Then stopping at the following stops: Northolt station Harrow bus station Harrow and Wealdstone Stations Long Elms (Harrow Weald) Stanmore Broadway (following H12 to Stanmore) Apex Corner Stirling Corner Barnet, the Spires. Could be given any number, maybe X312 as it broadly follows the A312 for part of its journey. If stand space at Heathrow is limited, the A10 could do a double run and terminate at Terminal 5 (as someone suggested) This proposal would restore a Heathrow link to Harrow Weald and Wealdstone and would be faster than the X140 which stops more frequently. It also provides a Heathrow link to places further from Heathrow Route would be DD and operate every 30 minutes at all times. A night service would operate at weekends, hourly. Why are you proposing a more express route version of an express route already in place? All you're going to do is undermine the X140 to the point where it gets pulled out of Heathrow.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2021 14:56:35 GMT
I think that there should be another express Heathrow bus, but serving northwest and north London, a bit like the X26. Here is what I propose: Starting at Heathrow Central, a non-stop section via the M4 spur, M4 J4 to J3, A312 to Yeading White Hart Then stopping at the following stops: Northolt station Harrow bus station Harrow and Wealdstone Stations Long Elms (Harrow Weald) Stanmore Broadway (following H12 to Stanmore) Apex Corner Stirling Corner Barnet, the Spires. Could be given any number, maybe X312 as it broadly follows the A312 for part of its journey. If stand space at Heathrow is limited, the A10 could do a double run and terminate at Terminal 5 (as someone suggested) This proposal would restore a Heathrow link to Harrow Weald and Wealdstone and would be faster than the X140 which stops more frequently. It also provides a Heathrow link to places further from Heathrow Route would be DD and operate every 30 minutes at all times. A night service would operate at weekends, hourly. Why are you proposing a more express route version of an express route already in place? All you're going to do is undermine the X140 to the point where it gets pulled out of Heathrow. The X140 doesn't go far enough in being an express service, particularly around Hayes/Yeading (north of Uxbridge Road) where there aren't any Heathrow bus routes. The new route only parallels the X140 between Yeading and Harrow and my route would provide links further from Harrow
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Post by bus12451 on Jan 16, 2021 15:01:13 GMT
Good point about making the 180. Is the current 180 considered too long to run from Erith to Lewisham? The current route from Belvedere to Lewisham is 11 miles according to Londonbusroutes.net, EQ to NG should be around the same, maybe slightly shorter. EQ to CW would be around 13 miles, plus going through gridlocked Greenwich and Plumstead High Street would make for an unreliable route as well as increased running times.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2021 15:33:42 GMT
Why are you proposing a more express route version of an express route already in place? All you're going to do is undermine the X140 to the point where it gets pulled out of Heathrow. The X140 doesn't go far enough in being an express service, particularly around Hayes/Yeading (north of Uxbridge Road) where there aren't any Heathrow bus routes. The new route only parallels the X140 between Yeading and Harrow and my route would provide links further from Harrow I think your routeing runs slightly too far out and misses the opportunity to link places like Edgware. Perhaps look at something via Southall, Wembley, Brent Cross instead to avoid duplication of the X140 to Harrow.
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Post by ADH45258 on Jan 16, 2021 16:05:21 GMT
Suggestions in response to the Uxbridge bus review - hopefully these cover most aims of the review, while introducing some new links and simplifying the network in the area. Might be some issues, but I think at least some of the changes could be quite useful.
81 - Rerouted between Bath Road and Hounslow via route 111, and revised in Hounslow to terminate around Bell Corner. Possible frequency increase to every 10 minutes.
111 - Withdrawn between Heathrow and Hounslow to improve reliability, using the 81's stand space.
222 - Revised to operate between Uxbridge and Heathrow Terminal 5, via existing route to West Drayton, then the 350. Introduces a new link between Uxbridge and T5. It's previously been suggested to simply swap the 350/U3 at Heathrow, however the U3 is far less direct (with changing between the existing 222/350 likely to be quicker).
N111 - New night route between Kingston and Uxbridge, via the current 111/222, via Cranford and a double run to Heathrow Central. Route N9 continues via Hounslow West.
311 - New route between Hounslow Bus Station (222 stand) and Heathrow Central, direct via Hounslow West and Bath Road. Introduces a more direct bus link between Hounslow and Heathrow. Would operate at a high frequency, replacing capacity from the 81/222 along this section.
342 - New route between Uxbridge and Hounslow, via existing U1 or U5 to Brunel University, then Hillingdon Hospital, Colham Green Road, Park View Road, Stockley Road, Stockley Park, Blyth Road/Clayton Road, Hayes & Harlington Station, North Hyde Road, Hayes Road, then the H32 to Hounslow.
350 - Restructured to operate between Heathrow Terminal 5 and West Drayton Station (via Hayes). Via Harmondsworth, Holloway Lane, Shepiston Lane, Station Road, then existing route 350 to West Drayton.
A10 - Revised to operate limited stop across the full length of the route.
H32 - Withdrawn, partly replaced by new route 342, while links towards Southall are covered by the existing 105/482. Route 482 could potentially have a minor frequency increase, or even extend through Southall Waterside in place of the H32.
U1/U4 - Merged to operate between Ruislip Station and Hayes (Prologis Park), via existing route U1 to Uxbridge, then the U4. Using DDs at every 10 minutes, could use either route number. Also diverted in Hayes to operate direct between Hayes & Harlington Station and Bourne Avenue (avoiding Dawley Road).
U2 - Extended to West Drayton as per the review, but then continuing to Drayton Village via route U5, terminating either via a loop to Mulberry Crescent, or at the roundabout on Stockley Road.
U3 - Rerouted between Laurel Lane and Heathrow via route 222, either via Cherry Lane or Harmondsworth Road. Converted to DDs.
U5 - Withdrawn, mostly replaced by routes 342 and U2.
U7 - Extended from Hayes to Southall Station, either via the proposed 427, or through the Southall Waterside development when complete. Increased in frequency, and possible DD conversion if also needed.
U9 or U10 - Extended from Uxbridge to Uxbridge Moor, via St Johns Road or Cowley Mill Road, to provide a TFL service to this area. Ideally continuing to Iver Heath providing TFL funding. Route chosen would depend on the frequency needed.
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