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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2021 16:05:43 GMT
The X140 doesn't go far enough in being an express service, particularly around Hayes/Yeading (north of Uxbridge Road) where there aren't any Heathrow bus routes. The new route only parallels the X140 between Yeading and Harrow and my route would provide links further from Harrow I think your routeing runs slightly too far out and misses the opportunity to link places like Edgware. Perhaps look at something via Southall, Wembley, Brent Cross instead to avoid duplication of the X140 to Harrow. Places like Wembley and Southall are way too congested, the traffic building up around Southall station and Ealing Road would make the route too unreliable. My route could perhaps be alternated between Stanmore and Apex Corner to serve Edgware or could even terminate at Mill Hill Broadway via my proposed routing to Stanmore, then 340 to Edgware, 186 to Mill Hill Broadway. The only places it would stop at between Stanmore and Mill Hill Broadway would be Edgware and Apex Corner. Alternatively, an X112 could operate between Brent Cross and Heathrow Central with the following stops (via old 112, 65 and H91, then A4): Brent Cross Shopping Centre Neasden Shopping Centre Stonebridge Park Station Hanger Lane station North Ealing station Ealing Broadway station South Ealing station Great West Road Ealing Road Gilette Corner Heathrow Central
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2021 16:29:01 GMT
Some more proposals in the Heathrow Area: Option 1: X140 withdrawn, 140 goes back to Heathrow but is extended to Stanmore. Also is diverted on Shepiston Lane, and then A10 to Heathrow. Non-stop after Shepiston Lane. The only cost of this is a longer service north of Hayes but at least Wealdstone & Harrow Weald receive an additional Heathrow bus. A10 extended to Heathrow Terminal 5, double run at Heathrow Central
Option 2: X140 withdrawn, 140 restored to original routing. 278 cut back to Hayes & Harlington station. U3 and U1 merged, and covers U3 section between Uxbridge and West Drayton. This would still serve a bus route from Heathrow to Ickenham and Ruislip, plus freeing stand space at Uxbridge. A10 withdrawn between Hillingdon Heath and Uxbridge. Instead it is rerouted via 607 to Long Lane and 278 to Hillingdon station to provide a bus route through Hillingdon to Heathrow
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Post by TB123 on Jan 16, 2021 16:30:20 GMT
Some more proposals in the Heathrow Area: Option 1: X140 withdrawn, 140 goes back to Heathrow but is extended to Stanmore. Also is diverted on Shepiston Lane, and then A10 to Heathrow. Non-stop after Shepiston Lane. The only cost of this is a longer service north of Hayes but at least Wealdstone & Harrow Weald receive an additional Heathrow bus. A10 extended to Heathrow Terminal 5, double run at Heathrow Central Option 2: X140 withdrawn, 140 restored to original routing. 278 cut back to Hayes & Harlington station. U3 and U1 merged, and covers U3 section between Uxbridge and West Drayton. This would still serve a bus route from Heathrow to Ickenham and Ruislip, plus freeing stand space at Uxbridge. A10 withdrawn between Hillingdon Heath and Uxbridge. Instead it is rerouted via 607 to Long Lane and 278 to Hillingdon station to provide a bus route through Hillingdon to Heathrow These ideas would mean much slower journeys along the Harrow-Heathrow corridor and less capacity along the Harrow-Hayes section. Not a fan at all
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Post by LK65EBO on Jan 16, 2021 16:37:34 GMT
Suggestions in response to the Uxbridge bus review - hopefully these cover most aims of the review, while introducing some new links and simplifying the network in the area. Might be some issues, but I think at least some of the changes could be quite useful. 81 - Rerouted between Bath Road and Hounslow via route 111, and revised in Hounslow to terminate around Bell Corner. Possible frequency increase to every 10 minutes. 111 - Withdrawn between Heathrow and Hounslow to improve reliability, using the 81's stand space. 222 - Revised to operate between Uxbridge and Heathrow Terminal 5, via existing route to West Drayton, then the 350. Introduces a new link between Uxbridge and T5. It's previously been suggested to simply swap the 350/U3 at Heathrow, however the U3 is far less direct (with changing between the existing 222/350 likely to be quicker). N111 - New night route between Kingston and Uxbridge, via the current 111/222, via Cranford and a double run to Heathrow Central. Route N9 continues via Hounslow West. 311 - New route between Hounslow Bus Station (222 stand) and Heathrow Central, direct via Hounslow West and Bath Road. Introduces a more direct bus link between Hounslow and Heathrow. Would operate at a high frequency, replacing capacity from the 81/222 along this section. H32 - Withdrawn, partly replaced by new route 342, while links towards Southall are covered by the existing 105/482. Route 482 could potentially have a minor frequency increase, or even extend through Southall Waterside in place of the H32. I don't see any logic in the 111 and 311 ideas - you're breaking a good popular link between Heathrow and parts of Kingston. If you really need a direct link into Heathrow Central why not just make the 423 double run into Heathrow Central then continue to T5? If you really need a link from Uxbridge to T5 just extend the A10 to T5 and make it DD at the same time?
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Post by wirewiper on Jan 16, 2021 16:40:03 GMT
Some more proposals in the Heathrow Area: Option 1: X140 withdrawn, 140 goes back to Heathrow but is extended to Stanmore. Also is diverted on Shepiston Lane, and then A10 to Heathrow. Non-stop after Shepiston Lane. The only cost of this is a longer service north of Hayes but at least Wealdstone & Harrow Weald receive an additional Heathrow bus. A10 extended to Heathrow Terminal 5, double run at Heathrow Central Option 2: X140 withdrawn, 140 restored to original routing. 278 cut back to Hayes & Harlington station. U3 and U1 merged, and covers U3 section between Uxbridge and West Drayton. This would still serve a bus route from Heathrow to Ickenham and Ruislip, plus freeing stand space at Uxbridge. A10 withdrawn between Hillingdon Heath and Uxbridge. Instead it is rerouted via 607 to Long Lane and 278 to Hillingdon station to provide a bus route through Hillingdon to Heathrow These ideas would mean much slower journeys along the Harrow-Heathrow corridor and less capacity along the Harrow-Hayes section. Not a fan at all Also one of the reasons for introducing the 278 was to fill a long-acknowledged gap in the route network and create a Ruislip-Heathrow Airport link. I like the idea of diverting the X140 via Shepiston Lane though, although then it wouldn't serve workplaces along the Bath Road.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2021 16:40:32 GMT
Suggestions in response to the Uxbridge bus review - hopefully these cover most aims of the review, while introducing some new links and simplifying the network in the area. Might be some issues, but I think at least some of the changes could be quite useful. 81 - Rerouted between Bath Road and Hounslow via route 111, and revised in Hounslow to terminate around Bell Corner. Possible frequency increase to every 10 minutes. 111 - Withdrawn between Heathrow and Hounslow to improve reliability, using the 81's stand space. 222 - Revised to operate between Uxbridge and Heathrow Terminal 5, via existing route to West Drayton, then the 350. Introduces a new link between Uxbridge and T5. It's previously been suggested to simply swap the 350/U3 at Heathrow, however the U3 is far less direct (with changing between the existing 222/350 likely to be quicker). N111 - New night route between Kingston and Uxbridge, via the current 111/222, via Cranford and a double run to Heathrow Central. Route N9 continues via Hounslow West. 311 - New route between Hounslow Bus Station (222 stand) and Heathrow Central, direct via Hounslow West and Bath Road. Introduces a more direct bus link between Hounslow and Heathrow. Would operate at a high frequency, replacing capacity from the 81/222 along this section. 342 - New route between Uxbridge and Hounslow, via existing U1 or U5 to Brunel University, then Hillingdon Hospital, Colham Green Road, Park View Road, Stockley Road, Stockley Park, Blyth Road/Clayton Road, Hayes & Harlington Station, North Hyde Road, Hayes Road, then the H32 to Hounslow. 350 - Restructured to operate between Heathrow Terminal 5 and West Drayton Station (via Hayes). Via Harmondsworth, Holloway Lane, Shepiston Lane, Station Road, then existing route 350 to West Drayton. A10 - Revised to operate limited stop across the full length of the route. H32 - Withdrawn, partly replaced by new route 342, while links towards Southall are covered by the existing 105/482. Route 482 could potentially have a minor frequency increase, or even extend through Southall Waterside in place of the H32. U1/U4 - Merged to operate between Ruislip Station and Hayes (Prologis Park), via existing route U1 to Uxbridge, then the U4. Using DDs at every 10 minutes, could use either route number. Also diverted in Hayes to operate direct between Hayes & Harlington Station and Bourne Avenue (avoiding Dawley Road). U2 - Extended to West Drayton as per the review, but then continuing to Drayton Village via route U5, terminating either via a loop to Mulberry Crescent, or at the roundabout on Stockley Road. U3 - Rerouted between Laurel Lane and Heathrow via route 222, either via Cherry Lane or Harmondsworth Road. Converted to DDs. U5 - Withdrawn, mostly replaced by routes 342 and U2. U7 - Extended from Hayes to Southall Station, either via the proposed 427, or through the Southall Waterside development when complete. Increased in frequency, and possible DD conversion if also needed. U9 or U10 - Extended from Uxbridge to Uxbridge Moor, via St Johns Road or Cowley Mill Road, to provide a TFL service to this area. Ideally continuing to Iver Heath providing TFL funding. Route chosen would depend on the frequency needed. 81 - This would make it a very long route. I would leave it as it is apart from a frequency increase. 111 - Yes but it removes a Heathrow link from some places such as Heston and Hampton 222 - Yeah I don't really see many people travelling between West Drayton and Hounslow, so your proposal is ideal 311 - I don't agree with this one because people can use the Piccadilly line, and your route is near to every station between Hounslow East and Heathrow Terminals 1, 2 and 3 apart from Hatton Cross 342 - I like this, it's an interesting route, but I feel it's too long. Would suggest curtailing it at Bull's Bridge, rather than going to Hounslow, as I don't think anyone would go from Uxbridge to Hounslow, especially via your route. 350 - Considering you have rerouted the 222, I like the proposal, as it provides a direct link to Heathrow from Hayes, whilst the direct link from Heathrow to West Drayton still exists. A10 - I agree U1/U4 - Neither disagree nor agree U2/U5 - I agree U3 and U7 - Like U1/U4 U9/U10 - Would probably choose U9, since it's more frequent.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2021 16:46:11 GMT
These ideas would mean much slower journeys along the Harrow-Heathrow corridor and less capacity along the Harrow-Hayes section. Not a fan at all Also one of the reasons for introducing the 278 was to fill a long-acknowledged gap in the route network and create a Ruislip-Heathrow Airport link. I like the idea of diverting the X140 via Shepiston Lane though, although then it wouldn't serve workplaces along the Bath Road. My U1/U3 merger would still provide a Ruislip to Heathrow link. I forgot to mention a few things: U1/U3 would be renumbered U3 and operate at the U3 frequency. Double decker.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2021 17:46:48 GMT
Some adapted proposals to the one that I previously made:
X140 diverted between Hayes Town and Heathrow via Shepiston Lane, having one stop on Shepiston Lane, then non-stop to Heathrow Central, to do a double run. Then nonstop to Terminal 5. To give Hayes a link to terminal 5 (see 350 proposal) 140 restored to original routing. 278 cut back to Hayes & Harlington station. Extended to Ruislip Manor (roundabout at Cornwall Road, to free stand space at Ruislip) U3 and U1 merged, and covers U3 section between Uxbridge and West Drayton. This would still serve a bus route from Heathrow to Ickenham and Ruislip, plus freeing stand space at Uxbridge. A10 withdrawn between Hillingdon Heath and Uxbridge. Instead it is rerouted via 607 to Long Lane and 278 to Hillingdon station to provide a bus route through Hillingdon to Heathrow. Note that A10 does not serve Terminal 5 in this proposal. 222 and 350 to swap terminals south of West Drayton - to give Uxbridge a link to Terminal 5, whilst keeping the West Drayton-Hounslow link
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2021 18:27:45 GMT
I think your routeing runs slightly too far out and misses the opportunity to link places like Edgware. Perhaps look at something via Southall, Wembley, Brent Cross instead to avoid duplication of the X140 to Harrow. Places like Wembley and Southall are way too congested, the traffic building up around Southall station and Ealing Road would make the route too unreliable. My route could perhaps be alternated between Stanmore and Apex Corner to serve Edgware or could even terminate at Mill Hill Broadway via my proposed routing to Stanmore, then 340 to Edgware, 186 to Mill Hill Broadway. The only places it would stop at between Stanmore and Mill Hill Broadway would be Edgware and Apex Corner. Alternatively, an X112 could operate between Brent Cross and Heathrow Central with the following stops (via old 112, 65 and H91, then A4): Brent Cross Shopping Centre Neasden Shopping Centre Stonebridge Park Station Hanger Lane station North Ealing station Ealing Broadway station South Ealing station Great West Road Ealing Road Gilette Corner Heathrow Central True on the congestion point. Personally I don't believe Stanmore warrants an express route though. Perhaps look at the London Plan's Activity Centres (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Plan#Activity_centres) for guidance on which areas are more strategically important to hit. Interestingly, the 112 corridor was identified previously as having the potential for increased bus priority and/or an express service - though the Brent Cross redevelopment may have hindered the basis for this idea slightly. Would it need to be extended to Heathrow? There are existing, quick rail links (especially when the Elizabeth Line opens) from Ealing Broadway down to the airport.
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Post by vjaska on Jan 16, 2021 18:48:53 GMT
Suggestions in response to the Uxbridge bus review - hopefully these cover most aims of the review, while introducing some new links and simplifying the network in the area. Might be some issues, but I think at least some of the changes could be quite useful. 81 - Rerouted between Bath Road and Hounslow via route 111, and revised in Hounslow to terminate around Bell Corner. Possible frequency increase to every 10 minutes. 111 - Withdrawn between Heathrow and Hounslow to improve reliability, using the 81's stand space. 222 - Revised to operate between Uxbridge and Heathrow Terminal 5, via existing route to West Drayton, then the 350. Introduces a new link between Uxbridge and T5. It's previously been suggested to simply swap the 350/U3 at Heathrow, however the U3 is far less direct (with changing between the existing 222/350 likely to be quicker). N111 - New night route between Kingston and Uxbridge, via the current 111/222, via Cranford and a double run to Heathrow Central. Route N9 continues via Hounslow West. 311 - New route between Hounslow Bus Station (222 stand) and Heathrow Central, direct via Hounslow West and Bath Road. Introduces a more direct bus link between Hounslow and Heathrow. Would operate at a high frequency, replacing capacity from the 81/222 along this section. 342 - New route between Uxbridge and Hounslow, via existing U1 or U5 to Brunel University, then Hillingdon Hospital, Colham Green Road, Park View Road, Stockley Road, Stockley Park, Blyth Road/Clayton Road, Hayes & Harlington Station, North Hyde Road, Hayes Road, then the H32 to Hounslow. 350 - Restructured to operate between Heathrow Terminal 5 and West Drayton Station (via Hayes). Via Harmondsworth, Holloway Lane, Shepiston Lane, Station Road, then existing route 350 to West Drayton. A10 - Revised to operate limited stop across the full length of the route. H32 - Withdrawn, partly replaced by new route 342, while links towards Southall are covered by the existing 105/482. Route 482 could potentially have a minor frequency increase, or even extend through Southall Waterside in place of the H32. U1/U4 - Merged to operate between Ruislip Station and Hayes (Prologis Park), via existing route U1 to Uxbridge, then the U4. Using DDs at every 10 minutes, could use either route number. Also diverted in Hayes to operate direct between Hayes & Harlington Station and Bourne Avenue (avoiding Dawley Road). U2 - Extended to West Drayton as per the review, but then continuing to Drayton Village via route U5, terminating either via a loop to Mulberry Crescent, or at the roundabout on Stockley Road. U3 - Rerouted between Laurel Lane and Heathrow via route 222, either via Cherry Lane or Harmondsworth Road. Converted to DDs. U5 - Withdrawn, mostly replaced by routes 342 and U2. U7 - Extended from Hayes to Southall Station, either via the proposed 427, or through the Southall Waterside development when complete. Increased in frequency, and possible DD conversion if also needed. U9 or U10 - Extended from Uxbridge to Uxbridge Moor, via St Johns Road or Cowley Mill Road, to provide a TFL service to this area. Ideally continuing to Iver Heath providing TFL funding. Route chosen would depend on the frequency needed. If I was local, I'd likely dislike a large chunk of this - apologies but it seems like changes for changes sake and that someone has got the crayons out and has started scribbling without any proper research done as to why these routes exist in their current forms which seems to be a running theme in this thread lately across the last few days. Is there evidence of unreliability on the 111? Why are you merging routes together that have no problem existing as separate entities? Why are busy routes being withdrawn?
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Post by CircleLineofLife on Jan 16, 2021 19:40:30 GMT
Some adapted proposals to the one that I previously made: X140 diverted between Hayes Town and Heathrow via Shepiston Lane, having one stop on Shepiston Lane, then non-stop to Heathrow Central, to do a double run. Then nonstop to Terminal 5. To give Hayes a link to terminal 5 (see 350 proposal) 140 restored to original routing. 278 cut back to Hayes & Harlington station. Extended to Ruislip Manor (roundabout at Cornwall Road, to free stand space at Ruislip) U3 and U1 merged, and covers U3 section between Uxbridge and West Drayton. This would still serve a bus route from Heathrow to Ickenham and Ruislip, plus freeing stand space at Uxbridge. A10 withdrawn between Hillingdon Heath and Uxbridge. Instead it is rerouted via 607 to Long Lane and 278 to Hillingdon station to provide a bus route through Hillingdon to Heathrow. Note that A10 does not serve Terminal 5 in this proposal. 222 and 350 to swap terminals south of West Drayton - to give Uxbridge a link to Terminal 5, whilst keeping the West Drayton-Hounslow link As a former resident of Ruislip for 10 years and a planner in training, i only argee with U1/U3 merger but have it terminate at T5. X140 should just be extended to Edgware, to resemble the 140/340 corridor I do miss the old 140 but i really like the 278, so would not change it southbound, you could leave it as it is, or extend it to Northwood via, so it is the go to north south link for the Hillingdon borough. Ruislip manor is kind of useless, as you would just walk from ruislip station anyway, and it doesnt even stand in the station it stands on the high street. Dont change 222 at all, but i did like night bus idea of merging 111/222. Hounslow to west drayton school/ rush hour peak highly used Also agree with the U9/U10 proposal, i would also say the U9 should be extended due to frequency and it runs on a sunday, but U10 could easily fit the bill aswell
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Post by BE37054 (quoll662) on Jan 16, 2021 19:47:36 GMT
Suggestions in response to the Uxbridge bus review - hopefully these cover most aims of the review, while introducing some new links and simplifying the network in the area. Might be some issues, but I think at least some of the changes could be quite useful. 81 - Rerouted between Bath Road and Hounslow via route 111, and revised in Hounslow to terminate around Bell Corner. Possible frequency increase to every 10 minutes. 111 - Withdrawn between Heathrow and Hounslow to improve reliability, using the 81's stand space. 222 - Revised to operate between Uxbridge and Heathrow Terminal 5, via existing route to West Drayton, then the 350. Introduces a new link between Uxbridge and T5. It's previously been suggested to simply swap the 350/U3 at Heathrow, however the U3 is far less direct (with changing between the existing 222/350 likely to be quicker). N111 - New night route between Kingston and Uxbridge, via the current 111/222, via Cranford and a double run to Heathrow Central. Route N9 continues via Hounslow West. 311 - New route between Hounslow Bus Station (222 stand) and Heathrow Central, direct via Hounslow West and Bath Road. Introduces a more direct bus link between Hounslow and Heathrow. Would operate at a high frequency, replacing capacity from the 81/222 along this section. 342 - New route between Uxbridge and Hounslow, via existing U1 or U5 to Brunel University, then Hillingdon Hospital, Colham Green Road, Park View Road, Stockley Road, Stockley Park, Blyth Road/Clayton Road, Hayes & Harlington Station, North Hyde Road, Hayes Road, then the H32 to Hounslow. 350 - Restructured to operate between Heathrow Terminal 5 and West Drayton Station (via Hayes). Via Harmondsworth, Holloway Lane, Shepiston Lane, Station Road, then existing route 350 to West Drayton. A10 - Revised to operate limited stop across the full length of the route. H32 - Withdrawn, partly replaced by new route 342, while links towards Southall are covered by the existing 105/482. Route 482 could potentially have a minor frequency increase, or even extend through Southall Waterside in place of the H32. U1/U4 - Merged to operate between Ruislip Station and Hayes (Prologis Park), via existing route U1 to Uxbridge, then the U4. Using DDs at every 10 minutes, could use either route number. Also diverted in Hayes to operate direct between Hayes & Harlington Station and Bourne Avenue (avoiding Dawley Road). U2 - Extended to West Drayton as per the review, but then continuing to Drayton Village via route U5, terminating either via a loop to Mulberry Crescent, or at the roundabout on Stockley Road. U3 - Rerouted between Laurel Lane and Heathrow via route 222, either via Cherry Lane or Harmondsworth Road. Converted to DDs. U5 - Withdrawn, mostly replaced by routes 342 and U2. U7 - Extended from Hayes to Southall Station, either via the proposed 427, or through the Southall Waterside development when complete. Increased in frequency, and possible DD conversion if also needed. U9 or U10 - Extended from Uxbridge to Uxbridge Moor, via St Johns Road or Cowley Mill Road, to provide a TFL service to this area. Ideally continuing to Iver Heath providing TFL funding. Route chosen would depend on the frequency needed. I would use the U4 for the U1/U4 thing and keep the U1 running between West Drayton and Uxbridge and extend it to Pinewood Studios via Iver Heath. Also, I would reroute it to serve Harlington Road instead of Kingston Lane to allow the A10 to be an express route. I would run the 427 via Waterside and route U7 via current route 427. The 427 would serve Hillingdon Hospital instead of the U7. I like the 111/222 night bus merger.
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Post by BE37054 (quoll662) on Jan 16, 2021 19:54:03 GMT
Suggestions in response to the Uxbridge bus review - hopefully these cover most aims of the review, while introducing some new links and simplifying the network in the area. Might be some issues, but I think at least some of the changes could be quite useful. 81 - Rerouted between Bath Road and Hounslow via route 111, and revised in Hounslow to terminate around Bell Corner. Possible frequency increase to every 10 minutes. 111 - Withdrawn between Heathrow and Hounslow to improve reliability, using the 81's stand space. 222 - Revised to operate between Uxbridge and Heathrow Terminal 5, via existing route to West Drayton, then the 350. Introduces a new link between Uxbridge and T5. It's previously been suggested to simply swap the 350/U3 at Heathrow, however the U3 is far less direct (with changing between the existing 222/350 likely to be quicker). N111 - New night route between Kingston and Uxbridge, via the current 111/222, via Cranford and a double run to Heathrow Central. Route N9 continues via Hounslow West. 311 - New route between Hounslow Bus Station (222 stand) and Heathrow Central, direct via Hounslow West and Bath Road. Introduces a more direct bus link between Hounslow and Heathrow. Would operate at a high frequency, replacing capacity from the 81/222 along this section. 342 - New route between Uxbridge and Hounslow, via existing U1 or U5 to Brunel University, then Hillingdon Hospital, Colham Green Road, Park View Road, Stockley Road, Stockley Park, Blyth Road/Clayton Road, Hayes & Harlington Station, North Hyde Road, Hayes Road, then the H32 to Hounslow. 350 - Restructured to operate between Heathrow Terminal 5 and West Drayton Station (via Hayes). Via Harmondsworth, Holloway Lane, Shepiston Lane, Station Road, then existing route 350 to West Drayton. A10 - Revised to operate limited stop across the full length of the route. H32 - Withdrawn, partly replaced by new route 342, while links towards Southall are covered by the existing 105/482. Route 482 could potentially have a minor frequency increase, or even extend through Southall Waterside in place of the H32. U1/U4 - Merged to operate between Ruislip Station and Hayes (Prologis Park), via existing route U1 to Uxbridge, then the U4. Using DDs at every 10 minutes, could use either route number. Also diverted in Hayes to operate direct between Hayes & Harlington Station and Bourne Avenue (avoiding Dawley Road). U2 - Extended to West Drayton as per the review, but then continuing to Drayton Village via route U5, terminating either via a loop to Mulberry Crescent, or at the roundabout on Stockley Road. U3 - Rerouted between Laurel Lane and Heathrow via route 222, either via Cherry Lane or Harmondsworth Road. Converted to DDs. U5 - Withdrawn, mostly replaced by routes 342 and U2. U7 - Extended from Hayes to Southall Station, either via the proposed 427, or through the Southall Waterside development when complete. Increased in frequency, and possible DD conversion if also needed. U9 or U10 - Extended from Uxbridge to Uxbridge Moor, via St Johns Road or Cowley Mill Road, to provide a TFL service to this area. Ideally continuing to Iver Heath providing TFL funding. Route chosen would depend on the frequency needed. 81 - This would make it a very long route. I would leave it as it is apart from a frequency increase. 111 - Yes but it removes a Heathrow link from some places such as Heston and Hampton 222 - Yeah I don't really see many people travelling between West Drayton and Hounslow, so your proposal is ideal 311 - I don't agree with this one because people can use the Piccadilly line, and your route is near to every station between Hounslow East and Heathrow Terminals 1, 2 and 3 apart from Hatton Cross 342 - I like this, it's an interesting route, but I feel it's too long. Would suggest curtailing it at Bull's Bridge, rather than going to Hounslow, as I don't think anyone would go from Uxbridge to Hounslow, especially via your route. 350 - Considering you have rerouted the 222, I like the proposal, as it provides a direct link to Heathrow from Hayes, whilst the direct link from Heathrow to West Drayton still exists. A10 - I agree U1/U4 - Neither disagree nor agree U2/U5 - I agree U3 and U7 - Like U1/U4 U9/U10 - Would probably choose U9, since it's more frequent. I agree on the 342. Leave the H32 alone is what I say. It is a very good route. However, I agree with the 81/111/222/311 proposals.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2021 20:10:55 GMT
Not done many of these - This is my detailed 241 idea following my post about the 388 possibly being cut due to the savings needed.
Route 241 extended from Stratford City via existing route 388 to Ash Grove, this would create new links from the Custom House area to places such as Victoria Park and Well Street area. This would provide a quicker route towards Hackney from Stratford compared to route 276 which now goes via Bow Church. Not too sure what PVR the route would need?
Is there anywhere at Ash Grove for buses to turn apart from the garage?
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Post by greenboy on Jan 16, 2021 20:19:23 GMT
Suggestions in response to the Uxbridge bus review - hopefully these cover most aims of the review, while introducing some new links and simplifying the network in the area. Might be some issues, but I think at least some of the changes could be quite useful. 81 - Rerouted between Bath Road and Hounslow via route 111, and revised in Hounslow to terminate around Bell Corner. Possible frequency increase to every 10 minutes. 111 - Withdrawn between Heathrow and Hounslow to improve reliability, using the 81's stand space. 222 - Revised to operate between Uxbridge and Heathrow Terminal 5, via existing route to West Drayton, then the 350. Introduces a new link between Uxbridge and T5. It's previously been suggested to simply swap the 350/U3 at Heathrow, however the U3 is far less direct (with changing between the existing 222/350 likely to be quicker). N111 - New night route between Kingston and Uxbridge, via the current 111/222, via Cranford and a double run to Heathrow Central. Route N9 continues via Hounslow West. 311 - New route between Hounslow Bus Station (222 stand) and Heathrow Central, direct via Hounslow West and Bath Road. Introduces a more direct bus link between Hounslow and Heathrow. Would operate at a high frequency, replacing capacity from the 81/222 along this section. 342 - New route between Uxbridge and Hounslow, via existing U1 or U5 to Brunel University, then Hillingdon Hospital, Colham Green Road, Park View Road, Stockley Road, Stockley Park, Blyth Road/Clayton Road, Hayes & Harlington Station, North Hyde Road, Hayes Road, then the H32 to Hounslow. 350 - Restructured to operate between Heathrow Terminal 5 and West Drayton Station (via Hayes). Via Harmondsworth, Holloway Lane, Shepiston Lane, Station Road, then existing route 350 to West Drayton. A10 - Revised to operate limited stop across the full length of the route. H32 - Withdrawn, partly replaced by new route 342, while links towards Southall are covered by the existing 105/482. Route 482 could potentially have a minor frequency increase, or even extend through Southall Waterside in place of the H32. U1/U4 - Merged to operate between Ruislip Station and Hayes (Prologis Park), via existing route U1 to Uxbridge, then the U4. Using DDs at every 10 minutes, could use either route number. Also diverted in Hayes to operate direct between Hayes & Harlington Station and Bourne Avenue (avoiding Dawley Road). U2 - Extended to West Drayton as per the review, but then continuing to Drayton Village via route U5, terminating either via a loop to Mulberry Crescent, or at the roundabout on Stockley Road. U3 - Rerouted between Laurel Lane and Heathrow via route 222, either via Cherry Lane or Harmondsworth Road. Converted to DDs. U5 - Withdrawn, mostly replaced by routes 342 and U2. U7 - Extended from Hayes to Southall Station, either via the proposed 427, or through the Southall Waterside development when complete. Increased in frequency, and possible DD conversion if also needed. U9 or U10 - Extended from Uxbridge to Uxbridge Moor, via St Johns Road or Cowley Mill Road, to provide a TFL service to this area. Ideally continuing to Iver Heath providing TFL funding. Route chosen would depend on the frequency needed. Some interesting ideas, the 311 is a reincarnation of the old 82 route of years ago and the 81 rerouting is a bit like the 405 rerouting in Croydon. Shortening the 111 makes sense, the only negative I can see is the loss of the Heathrow link from Cranford area, certainly if I were travelling from the Hampton area to Heathrow I'd be looking for a quicker option than the circuitous 111. Great idea for the N111/222, I'm not overly familiar with the other routes mentioned so I'll leave those for others to comment on but generally a thumbs up from me.
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