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Post by lundnah on Jan 19, 2021 20:09:48 GMT
These are my ideas which are as good as any others.
15: Diverted via Tower Bridge and London Bridge
60: Withdrawn between West Croydon and South Croydon (southern half renumbered 760) 152: Half the vehicles transferred to Fulwell garage 205: To operate westbound only (PVR reduced from 23 to 20) 282: Extended to Osterley via Windmill Lane using Enviro 200s 375: Renumbered 373 so that all routes through Chase Cross are prime numbers 469: Withdrawn because I went on it once and it was very quiet 500: Oxford Street shuttle replacing all other buses between Marble Arch and Tottenham Court Road H4: New 'H' route from Harrow to Harrow Weald via Headstone and Hatch End N327: Night version of key daytime route
R3: Re-routed to follow Chelsfield loop in anti-clockwise direction X101: New express route following route 101 but stopping at every fourth stop
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Post by southlondonbus on Jan 19, 2021 20:14:37 GMT
I'm not sure what you mean by this. I did state in my original post that much of the area is covered by the London Overground, so a frequency cut to the 149 would be more than acceptable. Are you suggesting that improvements should be made to the LO? Over the years, improvements have been made to rail so people possibly were instead of using the 149/259/279/349 switching over to LO. The Overgroud saw off the 67 south of Dalston leaving the 149, 242 and 243 from there to Shoreditch. I wouldn't be amazed if the 388 was on the move again with a diversion at Shoreditch to Aldgate and the 242 cut back to Dalston Junction and primarily becomes a feeder service to Hommerton Hospital with just the 149 and 243 between D Junction and Shoreditch.
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Post by beaver14uk on Jan 19, 2021 20:15:49 GMT
If you wanted to free up stand space you would reroute to somewhere nearer. No point for the sake of it. uote author=" london23" source="/post/615421/thread" timestamp="1611086661"]Do you thing the rerouting the 486 at crook log to run to sidcup Tesco's instead of Bexleyheath to free up stand space at Bexleyheath to provide a straight link from sidcup to North Greenwich is a good idea. So more ideas 185 rerouting at Vauxhall to go to Battersea and 436 to go back to Paddington to support route 36 between Victoria and Paddington if route 36 got a frequency cut. [/quote]
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2021 20:17:15 GMT
The 10 and 23 changes state otherwise. Neither of these routes had the same history as the 13 or 73. If the 73 and 476 were merged, the 73 number would be used no question. It has a longer association with the areas served and the politics would make the 476 easier to withdraw than a historic route. Well yes they did really. The 10 was part of the old 73. And unless you are over 50 and living in Hammersmith, it was always the 10 that provided the link to Oxford Street and deeper into the West End.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2021 20:22:25 GMT
Neither of these routes had the same history as the 13 or 73. If the 73 and 476 were merged, the 73 number would be used no question. It has a longer association with the areas served and the politics would make the 476 easier to withdraw than a historic route. Well yes they did really. The 10 was part of the old 73. And unless you are over 50 and living in Hammersmith, it was always the 10 that provided the link to Oxford Street and deeper into the West End. That 10 only started in 88 up until then the 10 was always a east London route. Even now I still have family members that talk about the old 10 running from Wanstead towards Aldgate, seems it was a well known route along the Mile End road corridor.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2021 20:23:58 GMT
Over the years, improvements have been made to rail so people possibly were instead of using the 149/259/279/349 switching over to LO. The Overgroud saw off the 67 south of Dalston leaving the 149, 242 and 243 from there to Shoreditch. I wouldn't be amazed if the 388 was on the move again with a diversion at Shoreditch to Aldgate and the 242 cut back to Dalston Junction and primarily becomes a feeder service to Hommerton Hospital with just the 149 and 243 between D Junction and Shoreditch. As others have said the 242 would be pretty pointless if shortened even further, would it even justify double deckers?
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Post by LondonNorthern on Jan 19, 2021 20:24:22 GMT
These are my ideas which are as good as any others.
15: Diverted via Tower Bridge and London Bridge
60: Withdrawn between West Croydon and South Croydon (southern half renumbered 760) 152: Half the vehicles transferred to Fulwell garage 205: To operate westbound only (PVR reduced from 23 to 20) 282: Extended to Osterley via Windmill Lane using Enviro 200s 375: Renumbered 373 so that all routes through Chase Cross are prime numbers 469: Withdrawn because I went on it once and it was very quiet 500: Oxford Street shuttle replacing all other buses between Marble Arch and Tottenham Court Road H4: New 'H' route from Harrow to Harrow Weald via Headstone and Hatch End N327: Night version of key daytime route
R3: Re-routed to follow Chelsfield loop in anti-clockwise direction X101: New express route following route 101 but stopping at every fourth stop
Buses cannot go over Windmill lane bridge. 375 unnecessary. @dt 11 is a driver of the 469 so he may know.
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Post by twobellstogo on Jan 19, 2021 20:24:37 GMT
Do you thing the rerouting the 486 at crook log to run to sidcup Tesco's instead of Bexleyheath to free up stand space at Bexleyheath to provide a straight link from sidcup to North Greenwich is a good idea. It wouldn’t be that straight a link, it removes a busy, popular route from Bexleyheath, and there isn’t room at Foots Cray Tesco for another terminating route as busy as the 486. Not good all round I’m afraid. Space would be better provided at Bexleyheath by maybe extending a route to Crayford via the 96 - a route could terminate at Crayford Bridge Sainsbury’s. Possibly the 401? I was trying to think of two routes that could be joined in the middle, taking two terminating routes out of Bexleyheath, but I don’t think there’s anything suitable.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2021 20:25:27 GMT
One thing I noticed is the same few routes come up for discussion when talking about the 4% cut but other routes never get mentioned. I wonder if we thinking outside of the Oxford Street area the PVR reduction could be met? Thinking about routes that run more in city like the 17,43 etc could these manage small reductions?
Im waiting for the next withdraw the 94 post. But yes I agree. There are some high frequency routes dotted around London that could be cut back , not talked about very often. I don’t look forward to cuts , but I do quite like the new 110 for example. A new, long route is actually quite refreshing. We talk a lot about routes being too long, but why ? In reality, the longest routes TfL have do run very well.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2021 20:28:02 GMT
Well yes they did really. The 10 was part of the old 73. And unless you are over 50 and living in Hammersmith, it was always the 10 that provided the link to Oxford Street and deeper into the West End. That 10 only started in 88 up until then the 10 was always a east London route. Even now I still have family members that talk about the old 10 running from Wanstead towards Aldgate, seems it was a well known route along the Mile End road corridor. That is a very old fact and one which will be totally lost on most people. It certainly doesn’t influence usage. It’s the actual links cut that inconvenient people when withdrawing or changing routes not the number disappearing forever. sorry that wasn’t meant to sound as it reads !
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2021 20:28:23 GMT
One thing I noticed is the same few routes come up for discussion when talking about the 4% cut but other routes never get mentioned. I wonder if we thinking outside of the Oxford Street area the PVR reduction could be met? Thinking about routes that run more in city like the 17,43 etc could these manage small reductions?
Im waiting for the next withdraw the 94 post. But yes I agree. There are some high frequency routes dotted around London that could be cut back , not talked about very often. I don’t look forward to cuts , but I do quite like the new 110 for example. A new, long route is actually quite refreshing. We talk a lot about routes being too long, but why ? In reality, the longest routes TfL have do run very well. 94,68,188 and repeat.
One thing I have noticed its the almost obsession with the London Bridge corridor last few days. People might be even for a big shock as TfL will be looking at all central London routes.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2021 20:29:33 GMT
Im waiting for the next withdraw the 94 post. But yes I agree. There are some high frequency routes dotted around London that could be cut back , not talked about very often. I don’t look forward to cuts , but I do quite like the new 110 for example. A new, long route is actually quite refreshing. We talk a lot about routes being too long, but why ? In reality, the longest routes TfL have do run very well. 94,68,188 and repeat.
One thing I have noticed its the almost obsession with the London Bridge corridor last few days. People might be even for a big shock as TfL will be looking at all central London routes.
Indeed mate, and I think the biggest firms like Go Ahead will be hit quite hard.
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Post by twobellstogo on Jan 19, 2021 20:30:58 GMT
These are my ideas which are as good as any others. 15: Diverted via Tower Bridge and London Bridge
60: Withdrawn between West Croydon and South Croydon (southern half renumbered 760) 152: Half the vehicles transferred to Fulwell garage 205: To operate westbound only (PVR reduced from 23 to 20) 282: Extended to Osterley via Windmill Lane using Enviro 200s 375: Renumbered 373 so that all routes through Chase Cross are prime numbers 469: Withdrawn because I went on it once and it was very quiet 500: Oxford Street shuttle replacing all other buses between Marble Arch and Tottenham Court Road H4: New 'H' route from Harrow to Harrow Weald via Headstone and Hatch End N327: Night version of key daytime route
R3: Re-routed to follow Chelsfield loop in anti-clockwise direction X101: New express route following route 101 but stopping at every fourth stop M25 : new route non-stop around the motorway of the same identity. Literally. Oh lundnah you cynic 😛😂
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2021 20:31:16 GMT
That 10 only started in 88 up until then the 10 was always a east London route. Even now I still have family members that talk about the old 10 running from Wanstead towards Aldgate, seems it was a well known route along the Mile End road corridor. That is a very old fact and one which will be totally lost on most people. It certainly doesn’t influence usage. It’s the actual links cut that inconvenient people when withdrawing or changing routes not the number disappearing forever. sorry that wasn’t meant to sound as it reads ! No I get what you mean but with the hopper fare the link cut is hard to argue now.
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Post by CircleLineofLife on Jan 19, 2021 20:39:05 GMT
What i am saying is that corridor is set up for an express route, and secondly i have done it end to end multiple times when there were quicker alternatives and there has been more traffic than expected north of brent cross. With the splitting i was not sure how to split but i said it could get the 140 treatment. TfL has done a lot of cuts, and if any route is one of the prime candidates for getting cut from oxford street its this route. When traffic returns to pre-covid levels, this corridor will be worse off, which could be anticipated by TfL Just because there are fast sections doesn't mean it is 'set up for an express route'. It works well in it's current form and I don't think you should mess with it for the sake of messing with it. There are plans for enhanced bus priority along the section from Swiss Cottage to Brent Cross Flyover anyway, so if that goes ahead then there's really no reason to change anything at all. "One of the prime candidates..." - what is this based on? Are you just guessing or have you looked into the origin and destination data etc? In the mayors transport strategy, Barnet was set a 5 to 15% increase in bus speeds, so the express route is justified, however this could also be done through bus lanes, but express routes are becoming more popular with the introduction of the X140. From edgware aswell, the 113 is one of the 4 busiest buses, length isnt the only factor when considering cutting a route, it also has the highest amount of users from edgware. And without future capacity improvements at edgware station, due to future boarding activity on station, most buses will be operating close or full capacity, the 113 will be more greatly affected as it was above average in utilisation standing and seating, at edgware. Plus they do want to get rid of routes from oxford circus, maybe they could cut: 113 to baker street introduce X113 that goes to marble arch, which could improve the capacity at edgware getting people out of the immediate area more efficiently For all the people saying the 98 will get cut the 113 will get cut before the 98
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