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Post by twobellstogo on Jan 19, 2021 20:41:39 GMT
These are my ideas which are as good as any others. 15: Diverted via Tower Bridge and London Bridge
60: Withdrawn between West Croydon and South Croydon (southern half renumbered 760) 152: Half the vehicles transferred to Fulwell garage 205: To operate westbound only (PVR reduced from 23 to 20) 282: Extended to Osterley via Windmill Lane using Enviro 200s 375: Renumbered 373 so that all routes through Chase Cross are prime numbers 469: Withdrawn because I went on it once and it was very quiet 500: Oxford Street shuttle replacing all other buses between Marble Arch and Tottenham Court Road H4: New 'H' route from Harrow to Harrow Weald via Headstone and Hatch End N327: Night version of key daytime route
R3: Re-routed to follow Chelsfield loop in anti-clockwise direction X101: New express route following route 101 but stopping at every fourth stop Buses cannot go over Windmill lane bridge. 375 unnecessary. @dt 11 is a driver of the 469 so he may know. it’s a wind up post 😉
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2021 20:55:08 GMT
Just because there are fast sections doesn't mean it is 'set up for an express route'. It works well in it's current form and I don't think you should mess with it for the sake of messing with it. There are plans for enhanced bus priority along the section from Swiss Cottage to Brent Cross Flyover anyway, so if that goes ahead then there's really no reason to change anything at all. "One of the prime candidates..." - what is this based on? Are you just guessing or have you looked into the origin and destination data etc? In the mayors transport strategy, Barnet was set a 5 to 15% increase in bus speeds, so the express route is justified, however this could also be done through bus lanes, but express routes are becoming more popular with the introduction of the X140. From edgware aswell, the 113 is one of the 4 busiest buses, length isnt the only factor when considering cutting a route, it also has the highest amount of users from edgware. And without future capacity improvements at edgware station, due to future boarding activity on station, most buses will be operating close or full capacity, the 113 will be more greatly affected as it was above average in utilisation standing and seating, at edgware. Plus they do want to get rid of routes from oxford circus, maybe they could cut: 113 to baker street introduce X113 that goes to marble arch, which could improve the capacity at edgware getting people out of the immediate area more efficiently For all the people saying the 98 will get cut the 113 will get cut before the 98 The MTS objectives don't take into account the effect of a pandemic, and as you mention the increase in bus speed can be achieved in various different ways. I wouldn't say 'express routes are becoming more popular' just because of the X140. Yes we may start to see some more, but they are much more likely to be orbital links rather than radial. Edgware is going to be completely remodeled as part of the Broadwalk/TfL development, but is only in initial concept design stage at the moment. I assume you are talking about the capacity of the actual station rather than the route? What do you mean by 'above average standing and seating utilisation', surely this is relative to the other routes at Edgware, and therefore doesn't demonstrate at all whether the route works well or not? I don't think 'most buses will be operating at full capacity' is a particularly valid statement, considering Edgware is where the route starts! You say 'length isn't the only factor' but it's really not a factor at all. Why would the company cut a reliable and well-used route just because it's long? There's no point having the X113 to Marble Arch if the 113 journey times aren't bad. With bus priority measures they certainly won't be, and the route provides a frequent, fast and strategically popular link for both business and leisure.
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Post by ADH45258 on Jan 19, 2021 21:28:35 GMT
475 - New SD route between London Bridge Station and North Greenwich - via London Bridge, Eastcheap, Tower Hill, East Smithfield, The Highway, Limehouse Link tunnel, Westferry Circus, Canary Wharf, Trafalgar Way, Cotton Street, Blackwall Tunnel and Millennium Way (returning via Ordnance Crescent and Tunnel Avenue). Creates new links across Shadwell, Canary Wharf and North Greenwich, and to/from Central London, making use of both tunnels.
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Post by CircleLineofLife on Jan 19, 2021 21:34:38 GMT
In the mayors transport strategy, Barnet was set a 5 to 15% increase in bus speeds, so the express route is justified, however this could also be done through bus lanes, but express routes are becoming more popular with the introduction of the X140. From edgware aswell, the 113 is one of the 4 busiest buses, length isnt the only factor when considering cutting a route, it also has the highest amount of users from edgware. And without future capacity improvements at edgware station, due to future boarding activity on station, most buses will be operating close or full capacity, the 113 will be more greatly affected as it was above average in utilisation standing and seating, at edgware. Plus they do want to get rid of routes from oxford circus, maybe they could cut: 113 to baker street introduce X113 that goes to marble arch, which could improve the capacity at edgware getting people out of the immediate area more efficiently For all the people saying the 98 will get cut the 113 will get cut before the 98 The MTS objectives don't take into account the effect of a pandemic, and as you mention the increase in bus speed can be achieved in various different ways. I wouldn't say 'express routes are becoming more popular' just because of the X140. Yes we may start to see some more, but they are much more likely to be orbital links rather than radial. Edgware is going to be completely remodeled as part of the Broadwalk/TfL development, but is only in initial concept design stage at the moment. I assume you are talking about the capacity of the actual station rather than the route? What do you mean by 'above average standing and seating utilisation', surely this is relative to the other routes at Edgware, and therefore doesn't demonstrate at all whether the route works well or not? I don't think 'most buses will be operating at full capacity' is a particularly valid statement, considering Edgware is where the route starts! You say 'length isn't the only factor' but it's really not a factor at all. Why would the company cut a reliable and well-used route just because it's long? There's no point having the X113 to Marble Arch if the 113 journey times aren't bad. With bus priority measures they certainly won't be, and the route provides a frequent, fast and strategically popular link for both business and leisure. I was talking about the actual bus capacity from the BODS, yeah the bus priority will help with the speed, the problem is that the majority the corridor proposed is not in barnet its in camden., and that target was set out for barnet. It does duplicate the jubliee from finchley road to bond street as well. When i said most buses will be operating at close or full capacity i was quoting the Edgware supplementary planning document which was done in september 2020,
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Post by southlondonbus on Jan 19, 2021 21:35:05 GMT
94,68,188 and repeat.
One thing I have noticed its the almost obsession with the London Bridge corridor last few days. People might be even for a big shock as TfL will be looking at all central London routes.
Indeed mate, and I think the biggest firms like Go Ahead will be hit quite hard. Yes I agree Go ahead could be quite affected by this. I could see PVR reductions to the 40, 63, 87, 171, 172, 176, 188, 343 and even a part withdrawal to the 188 and even possibly the 1 being cut back to Elephant & Castle and 87 to Trafalgar Square.
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Post by greg on Jan 19, 2021 21:38:53 GMT
Indeed mate, and I think the biggest firms like Go Ahead will be hit quite hard. Yes I agree Go ahead could be quite affected by this. I could see PVR reductions to the 40, 63, 87, 171, 172, 176, 188, 343 and even a part withdrawal to the 188 and even possibly the 1 being cut back to Elephant & Castle and 87 to Trafalgar Square. Something may be done to the 36 and 88 too
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jan 19, 2021 21:43:42 GMT
Indeed mate, and I think the biggest firms like Go Ahead will be hit quite hard. Yes I agree Go ahead could be quite affected by this. I could see PVR reductions to the 40, 63, 87, 171, 172, 176, 188, 343 and even a part withdrawal to the 188 and even possibly the 1 being cut back to Elephant & Castle and 87 to Trafalgar Square. Probably down to the fact they operate most routes in Central London, Metroline might have quite a hit coming their way too with routes such as the 43, 113, 98, 30, 6, 139 and 4 all potential routes for a route or frequency reduction.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Jan 19, 2021 21:48:03 GMT
Indeed mate, and I think the biggest firms like Go Ahead will be hit quite hard. Yes I agree Go ahead could be quite affected by this. I could see PVR reductions to the 40, 63, 87, 171, 172, 176, 188, 343 and even a part withdrawal to the 188 and even possibly the 1 being cut back to Elephant & Castle and 87 to Trafalgar Square. At that point you might as well merge it with the 45 (1)
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Post by LondonNorthern on Jan 19, 2021 21:58:46 GMT
Im waiting for the next withdraw the 94 post. But yes I agree. There are some high frequency routes dotted around London that could be cut back , not talked about very often. I don’t look forward to cuts , but I do quite like the new 110 for example. A new, long route is actually quite refreshing. We talk a lot about routes being too long, but why ? In reality, the longest routes TfL have do run very well. 94,68,188 and repeat.
One thing I have noticed its the almost obsession with the London Bridge corridor last few days. People might be even for a big shock as TfL will be looking at all central London routes.
Even the 25 which gets really busy?
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Post by LJ17THF on Jan 19, 2021 22:10:11 GMT
475 - New SD route between London Bridge Station and North Greenwich - via London Bridge, Eastcheap, Tower Hill, East Smithfield, The Highway, Limehouse Link tunnel, Westferry Circus, Canary Wharf, Trafalgar Way, Cotton Street, Blackwall Tunnel and Millennium Way (returning via Ordnance Crescent and Tunnel Avenue). Creates new links across Shadwell, Canary Wharf and North Greenwich, and to/from Central London, making use of both tunnels. I don't think that's entirely needed or possible, the route may run with complications at the Blackwall Tunnel, especially whenever it's closed, becoming some weird near-circular route almost duplicating the 108 diversion. A change that I suggest is that it starts at somewhere like the Museum of London, following your route to the end of Cotton Street, via Fenchurch Street, but to somewhere like London City Airport, via Canning Town Bus Station, Barking Road, New Barn Street, Newham Way, Prince Regent Lane, Prince Regent Bus Station, Connaught Bridge and to London City Airport. But I'm not exactly sure if it's needed due to it paralleling the DLR.
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Post by southlondonbus on Jan 19, 2021 22:12:23 GMT
Yes I agree Go ahead could be quite affected by this. I could see PVR reductions to the 40, 63, 87, 171, 172, 176, 188, 343 and even a part withdrawal to the 188 and even possibly the 1 being cut back to Elephant & Castle and 87 to Trafalgar Square. At that point you might as well merge it with the 45 (1) If lots of vehicles become spare Go Ahead could separate the EHs and the WHVs and keeps the EHs for the south East area and send the WHVs for new tenders at London General (top up 22, Sutton Routes potentially).
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Post by justjxck1994 on Jan 19, 2021 22:32:17 GMT
Changes to buses in Ruislip, Uxbridge & Hayes areas Route U1 | Restructed to operate via current Route U7 from Hillingdon Hospital to Hayes Sainsbury's | Route U2 | Re-routed via current Route U1 from Pield Heath Road to West Drayton and Route U5 to Mulberry Parade | Route U3 & U5 | Routing swap between Uxbridge and Hillingdon Hospital | Route U4 | Discontinued between Hayes ASDA and Hayes ProLogis Park
| Route U7 | Re-routed direct via Uxbridge Road, no longer serving Charville Lane Re-routed via Church Road and Botwell Lane, no longer serving the section between Uxbridge County Court and Hayes Sainsburys Extended to Bulls Bridge via Route E6 Converted back to Single Deck | Route U9 | Extended via Rickmansworth Road and Harefield Road to terminate at Rickmansworth Station. Frequency increase to every 15 minutes
| Route E6 | Discontinued between Hayes ASDA and Bulls Bridge. Re-routed via Route U4 to Hayes ProLogis Park. Convert to double deck | Route 398 | Extended via Ruislip High Street to terminate at Ruislip Heathfield Rise. Frequency increase to every 20 minutes | Route E7 | Extended via Pembroke Road to terminate at Windmill Hill | New Route N114 | New night route from Queensbury Station via current Route 114 to Ruislip (routing direct via Bessborough Road) and Route U1 to Uxbridge |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2021 0:04:36 GMT
Changes to buses in Ruislip, Uxbridge & Hayes areas Route U1 | Restructed to operate via current Route U7 from Hillingdon Hospital to Hayes Sainsbury's | Route U2 | Re-routed via current Route U1 from Pield Heath Road to West Drayton and Route U5 to Mulberry Parade | Route U3 & U5 | Routing swap between Uxbridge and Hillingdon Hospital | Route U4 | Discontinued between Hayes ASDA and Hayes ProLogis Park
| Route U7 | Re-routed direct via Uxbridge Road, no longer serving Charville Lane Re-routed via Church Road and Botwell Lane, no longer serving the section between Uxbridge County Court and Hayes Sainsburys Extended to Bulls Bridge via Route E6 Converted back to Single Deck | Route U9 | Extended via Rickmansworth Road and Harefield Road to terminate at Rickmansworth Station. Frequency increase to every 15 minutes
| Route E6 | Discontinued between Hayes ASDA and Bulls Bridge. Re-routed via Route U4 to Hayes ProLogis Park. Convert to double deck | Route 398 | Extended via Ruislip High Street to terminate at Ruislip Heathfield Rise. Frequency increase to every 20 minutes | Route E7 | Extended via Pembroke Road to terminate at Windmill Hill | New Route N114 | New night route from Queensbury Station via current Route 114 to Ruislip (routing direct via Bessborough Road) and Route U1 to Uxbridge |
Good ideas, especially the U9,398 and N114
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2021 8:00:02 GMT
Changes to buses in Ruislip, Uxbridge & Hayes areas Route U1 | Restructed to operate via current Route U7 from Hillingdon Hospital to Hayes Sainsbury's | Route U2 | Re-routed via current Route U1 from Pield Heath Road to West Drayton and Route U5 to Mulberry Parade | Route U3 & U5 | Routing swap between Uxbridge and Hillingdon Hospital | Route U4 | Discontinued between Hayes ASDA and Hayes ProLogis Park
| Route U7 | Re-routed direct via Uxbridge Road, no longer serving Charville Lane Re-routed via Church Road and Botwell Lane, no longer serving the section between Uxbridge County Court and Hayes Sainsburys Extended to Bulls Bridge via Route E6 Converted back to Single Deck | Route U9 | Extended via Rickmansworth Road and Harefield Road to terminate at Rickmansworth Station. Frequency increase to every 15 minutes
| Route E6 | Discontinued between Hayes ASDA and Bulls Bridge. Re-routed via Route U4 to Hayes ProLogis Park. Convert to double deck | Route 398 | Extended via Ruislip High Street to terminate at Ruislip Heathfield Rise. Frequency increase to every 20 minutes | Route E7 | Extended via Pembroke Road to terminate at Windmill Hill | New Route N114 | New night route from Queensbury Station via current Route 114 to Ruislip (routing direct via Bessborough Road) and Route U1 to Uxbridge |
The U1 could work IMO Quite like the U2 that you proposed U4/E6 not sure I see the point of this. It removes links to create new links. U7 I like this idea. Should be given a frequency increase though. Only thing is it follows the 195 from Uxbridge Road to Bull's Bridge so I'd reroute the U7 somewhere else I do like the idea of the U9 going to Rickmansworth although I'm not sure it will ever happen. 398 I don't agree with because there will be too many buses on Ruislip High Street Leave E7 as it is. Your extension is rather short and I feel people could walk to Ruislip from Windmill Hill so that section is likely to have low usage.
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Post by wirewiper on Jan 20, 2021 8:17:46 GMT
Changes to buses in Ruislip, Uxbridge & Hayes areas Route U1 | Restructed to operate via current Route U7 from Hillingdon Hospital to Hayes Sainsbury's | Route U2 | Re-routed via current Route U1 from Pield Heath Road to West Drayton and Route U5 to Mulberry Parade | Route U3 & U5 | Routing swap between Uxbridge and Hillingdon Hospital | Route U4 | Discontinued between Hayes ASDA and Hayes ProLogis Park
| Route U7 | Re-routed direct via Uxbridge Road, no longer serving Charville Lane Re-routed via Church Road and Botwell Lane, no longer serving the section between Uxbridge County Court and Hayes Sainsburys Extended to Bulls Bridge via Route E6 Converted back to Single Deck | Route U9 | Extended via Rickmansworth Road and Harefield Road to terminate at Rickmansworth Station. Frequency increase to every 15 minutes
| Route E6 | Discontinued between Hayes ASDA and Bulls Bridge. Re-routed via Route U4 to Hayes ProLogis Park. Convert to double deck | Route 398 | Extended via Ruislip High Street to terminate at Ruislip Heathfield Rise. Frequency increase to every 20 minutes | Route E7 | Extended via Pembroke Road to terminate at Windmill Hill | New Route N114 | New night route from Queensbury Station via current Route 114 to Ruislip (routing direct via Bessborough Road) and Route U1 to Uxbridge |
U9 to Rickmansworth - never going to happen. London Country's 309 was desperately unrenumerative before the London Borough of Hillingdon stepped in with funding to incorporate the Harefield-Uxbridge section into new route 128. Currently the (non-TfL) service between Harefield and Rickmansworth is subsidised by Hertfordshire County Council and only survives because of the links it provides to hospitals. 398 - providing a 20-minute service over a section of route that currently only has 14 journeys a day (and none on Sundays) feels like overkill - and what would you do with the U10? N114 is an OK idea but why not run it from Mill Hill as the daytime 114? Also would it be viable on Sunday to Thursday nights?
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