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Post by twobellstogo on Nov 25, 2021 7:40:35 GMT
85: extended to Marble Arch via 414. Would be lengthy (about 14 miles) but gives Kingston a 24hr route to Central London. Alternatively this could be renumbered X14. 414: Withdrawn. With its curtailment, 14 covers all but three of its bus stops. It is just a 14 frequency enhancement in its current state. X68: a few stops added. Due to the drivers preferring to drive via Brixton when it is non stop, perhaps a bus stop there. Also, maybe one at Elephant and Castle. A bus stop, especially in Brixton, would draw people away from the unpleasant 250/109 if they’re just looking for a route that will take them to Croydon. N91: diverted to serve Muswell Hill via W7 then via Alexandra Park Rd to continue serving Wood Green. W7: extended to Cockfosters via N91 and renumbered 391, weekly night service permanently removed 106: Extended to North Finchley via W7 and 134, 24 hr weekends if reinstated 91: Extended to Muswell Hill Gives Crouch Enders and Muswell Hill residents links to more stations and a wider variety at that i.e. Trafalgar Sq and Whitechapel, also giving the area another daily night route Your 85/414 proposal is too lengthy to work, in fact I'd argue most of the above is wholly unworkable as the W7 exists in it's short form due to the volume of journeys that are undertaken from Muswell Hill to Finsbury Park which I presume is for onward tube connections and it's high frequency would likely overbus other corridors. A 106 to North Finchley is far too long and if it was to follow the W7, it would have to take a detour to avoid the low bridge at Finsbury Park The X68 running through Brixton is because it's quicker rather than driver preference. I don't think adding a stop in Brixton would draw people away at all - the 109 & 250 cater for a lot more journeys than simply people from Croydon to Brixton and Brixton also has the Victoria Line where people change to carry on. The X68 is primarily there to link communities south of West Norwood who have no nearby station to use In my opinion the 85 is extendable, but not northwards - Inner/Central London traffic would likely mess up the Kingston end. Southwards towards Surbiton much more feasible. |
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Post by COBO on Nov 25, 2021 7:41:11 GMT
The White City to Cricklewood section of the 316 is not fine. It needs Double deckers as it a busy section. Only if you bothered to read my post properly. I did. |
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Post by southlondon413 on Nov 25, 2021 7:43:55 GMT
Interesting idea for the 85 but really need buses starting at Putney Bridge Station for tube connections. I don't think adding extra stops to the X68 would serve any real purpose and I think the route is unlikely to survive anyway. Again, where do you pluck these statements from? The X68's loadings have been improving ever since lockdown finished and have been loading very well for months - you could argue it's in a better shape now as it's no longer rammed solid yet still busy enough to more than justify it's existence. Captain Cut strikes again. |
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Post by greenboy on Nov 25, 2021 7:58:48 GMT
Again, where do you pluck these statements from? The X68's loadings have been improving ever since lockdown finished and have been loading very well for months - you could argue it's in a better shape now as it's no longer rammed solid yet still busy enough to more than justify it's existence. Captain Cut strikes again. The X68 is a commuter service, cuts are being made, you do the maths. |
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Post by greenboy on Nov 25, 2021 8:01:05 GMT
Your 85/414 proposal is too lengthy to work, in fact I'd argue most of the above is wholly unworkable as the W7 exists in it's short form due to the volume of journeys that are undertaken from Muswell Hill to Finsbury Park which I presume is for onward tube connections and it's high frequency would likely overbus other corridors. A 106 to North Finchley is far too long and if it was to follow the W7, it would have to take a detour to avoid the low bridge at Finsbury Park The X68 running through Brixton is because it's quicker rather than driver preference. I don't think adding a stop in Brixton would draw people away at all - the 109 & 250 cater for a lot more journeys than simply people from Croydon to Brixton and Brixton also has the Victoria Line where people change to carry on. The X68 is primarily there to link communities south of West Norwood who have no nearby station to use In my opinion the 85 is extendable, but not northwards - Inner/Central London traffic would likely mess up the Kingston end. Southwards towards Surbiton much more feasible. I agree and the 85 can pick up a near full load at Putney Bridge Station so I don't think extending it northwards is feasible. |
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Post by JUNIOR26 on Nov 25, 2021 8:14:49 GMT
Only if you bothered to read my post properly. I did. Well you clearly didn't, as I already stated agreeing that it needs to be decked before you quoted me and the reason why currently it can't be. I've said once and I'll say again, the Cricklewood to White City section in terms of length is fine. |
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Post by southlondon413 on Nov 25, 2021 8:31:34 GMT
Captain Cut strikes again. The X68 is a commuter service, cuts are being made, you do the maths. Sorry, have the commuters disappeared? No, they might have changed the way they work with less days in the office but the X68 isn’t just for commuters and you know that. Just the like the X26 and X140 aren’t just for airport travellers. The X68 provides additional support for the 468 to West Norwood in the AM/PM peak which otherwise would need a, possibly more expensive, PVR increase and is a cheap way to get workers from the relatively poorer South London to Central London, but I’m sure you know that as well. |
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Post by greenboy on Nov 25, 2021 8:41:06 GMT
The X68 is a commuter service, cuts are being made, you do the maths. Sorry, have the commuters disappeared? No, they might have changed the way they work with less days in the office but the X68 isn’t just for commuters and you know that. Just the like the X26 and X140 aren’t just for airport travellers. The X68 provides additional support for the 468 to West Norwood in the AM/PM peak which otherwise would need a, possibly more expensive, PVR increase and is a cheap way to get workers from the relatively poorer South London to Central London, but I’m sure you know that as well. Who else is the X68 for other than commuters? You may have noticed that many commuter trains and coaches into Central London no longer run since the start of the pandemic. Usage of the X68 has been in decline for years as more and more people work remotely, it was probably just about viable before covid but not now. I realise express routes like the X68 are a bit of a novelty for enthusiasts but in the cold light of day............ |
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Post by aaron1 on Nov 25, 2021 8:44:49 GMT
Well for me extending 316 back to Brent Park would be good it will help the 332
So the 316 will be White City to Brent Park but a via 232 down Dollish hill lane that would give new links and
Also 245 would be rerouted via 232
So here are my Dollis Hill/Neasden changes
316 extend Back to Brent Park via 232
245 rerouted via 232 down Dollis Hill Lane
324 Withdrawn from Brent Park Tesco then extend to Birchen Grove via 182
326 Extend to Brent Park Tesco for a Replace of the 324
So that Crest Road and Dollis Hill Lane have 3 bus pre road
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Post by WH241 on Nov 25, 2021 8:49:23 GMT
Sorry, have the commuters disappeared? No, they might have changed the way they work with less days in the office but the X68 isn’t just for commuters and you know that. Just the like the X26 and X140 aren’t just for airport travellers. The X68 provides additional support for the 468 to West Norwood in the AM/PM peak which otherwise would need a, possibly more expensive, PVR increase and is a cheap way to get workers from the relatively poorer South London to Central London, but I’m sure you know that as well. Who else is the X68 for other than commuters? You may have noticed that many commuter trains and coaches into Central London no longer run since the start of the pandemic. Usage of the X68 has been in decline for years as more and more people work remotely, it was probably just about viable before covid but not now. I realise express routes like the X68 are a bit of a novelty for enthusiasts but in the cold light of day............ Also more and more companies are asking staff back to the office as a minimum 3 days a week! But then this doesn’t sit with your agenda of locking everyone up at home does it? You bang on about central London being more for social and shopping but without the office workers in the week these places won’t survive. The same applies for Canary Wharf with the bank staff returning. I think if you had your way central London would be demolished. Just to add the X68 is probably not needed over Christmas and New Year but TfL will waste money running the service then. |
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Post by WH241 on Nov 25, 2021 8:59:16 GMT
Sorry, have the commuters disappeared? No, they might have changed the way they work with less days in the office but the X68 isn’t just for commuters and you know that. Just the like the X26 and X140 aren’t just for airport travellers. The X68 provides additional support for the 468 to West Norwood in the AM/PM peak which otherwise would need a, possibly more expensive, PVR increase and is a cheap way to get workers from the relatively poorer South London to Central London, but I’m sure you know that as well. Who else is the X68 for other than commuters? You may have noticed that many commuter trains and coaches into Central London no longer run since the start of the pandemic. Usage of the X68 has been in decline for years as more and more people work remotely, it was probably just about viable before covid but not now. I realise express routes like the X68 are a bit of a novelty for enthusiasts but in the cold light of day............ Also would you please consider workers that can’t work remotely or are they not worthy of using express buses? You seem to take a very snobbish view of certain workers. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2021 9:16:30 GMT
The 316 could be extended to Brent Park, decked and the 332 withdrawn to reduce overbussing Reduce overbussing? Seriously, for what? Route 332 was introduced to assist route 16 and replace route 316 between Cricklewood and Brent Park and has been very successful in the 14 years it's existed. First, route 316 between Cricklewood and White City is fine as it is, however I do agree that it needs to be decked, but residents along (I believe Latimer Road) won't allow it, which I think is just silly as the route has no physical restrictions. Second, if you withdraw 332 then you'd need to increase the frequency of route 16 which has recently had its frequency reduced. I've driven the 16 on many occasions and having 332 as its support between Edgware Road and Cricklewood is very useful. I'd extend the 32 to Paddington in replace of the 332, to provide a link to central London from places where there isn't the tube |
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Post by JUNIOR26 on Nov 25, 2021 9:23:37 GMT
Reduce overbussing? Seriously, for what? Route 332 was introduced to assist route 16 and replace route 316 between Cricklewood and Brent Park and has been very successful in the 14 years it's existed. First, route 316 between Cricklewood and White City is fine as it is, however I do agree that it needs to be decked, but residents along (I believe Latimer Road) won't allow it, which I think is just silly as the route has no physical restrictions. Second, if you withdraw 332 then you'd need to increase the frequency of route 16 which has recently had its frequency reduced. I've driven the 16 on many occasions and having 332 as its support between Edgware Road and Cricklewood is very useful. I'd extend the 32 to Paddington in replace of the 332, to provide a link to central London from places where there isn't the tube Don't see that working either. 32 doesn't need extending, it's perfectly fine as a Edgware-Kilburn Park route in terms of length. |
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Post by southlondon413 on Nov 25, 2021 9:25:29 GMT
Who else is the X68 for other than commuters? You may have noticed that many commuter trains and coaches into Central London no longer run since the start of the pandemic. Usage of the X68 has been in decline for years as more and more people work remotely, it was probably just about viable before covid but not now. I realise express routes like the X68 are a bit of a novelty for enthusiasts but in the cold light of day............ Also more and more companies are asking staff back to the office as a minimum 3 days a week! But then this doesn’t sit with your agenda of locking everyone up at home does it? You bang on about central London being more for social and shopping but without the office workers in the week these places won’t survive. The same applies for Canary Wharf with the bank staff returning. I think if you had your way central London would be demolished. Just to add the X68 is probably not needed over Christmas and New Year but TfL will waste money running the service then. In that sense there are savings to be made with the X68. In an ideal world if we had one operator on the 68/468/X68 then there would be merit in cutting the PVR to 5 and having additional services run from the 468 in the AM, becoming regular 68s after the run to Russell Square and then from the 68 in the PM becoming 468s after the run to Croydon but to suggest cutting it entirely just speaks volume to the ignorance of people who couldn’t afford the train daily or with phobias of trains, it’s real and happens to some people. |
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Post by greenboy on Nov 25, 2021 9:51:04 GMT
Also more and more companies are asking staff back to the office as a minimum 3 days a week! But then this doesn’t sit with your agenda of locking everyone up at home does it? You bang on about central London being more for social and shopping but without the office workers in the week these places won’t survive. The same applies for Canary Wharf with the bank staff returning. I think if you had your way central London would be demolished. Just to add the X68 is probably not needed over Christmas and New Year but TfL will waste money running the service then. In that sense there are savings to be made with the X68. In an ideal world if we had one operator on the 69/468/X68 then there would be merit in cutting the PVR to 5 and having additional services run from the 468 in the AM, becoming regular 68s after the run to Russell Square and then from the 68 in the PM becoming 468s after the run to Croydon but to suggest cutting it entirely just speaks volume to the ignorance of people who couldn’t afford the train daily or with phobias of trains, it’s real and happens to some people. And the fact that the world is financially broke because of the pandemic is real. I mean it's not like anyone is going to be left stranded and how do you think having one operator on the 68,X68 and 468 would change anything? Obviously the routes were tendered separately and went to three different operators. Anyway maybe the suggestion of extending the 468 the short distance to London Bridge will come to fruition with the 50 replacing the South Croydon bit? *I'm slightly aghast to see that 'Dan' is still replying to my posts six months after asking me to ignore him. |
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