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Post by greenboy on Nov 25, 2021 14:23:47 GMT
As it's been suggested there will be consultations for around Putney and Barnes, here are some ideas for those areas: 9 - Extended from Aldwych to Liverpool Street via the 11. 11 - Revised to operate between Aldwych and Putney Heath, via existing route to Sloane Square, the 211 to Fulham Broadway, then the 14/414 to Putney Heath. 14 - Withdrawn between Putney Heath and Putney Bridge. Extended from Russell Square to Kings Cross, replacing links from former route 10. 85 - Night service withdrawn. 211 - Rerouted between Sloane Square and Fulham Broadway via the 11. 24-hour service introduced. 414 - Withdrawn, links covered by the 14 and 74, plus the revised 11 covers capacity between Fulham Road and Putney Bridge. E3 - 24-hour service introduced, replacing the western section of the N11. N9 - Frequency increased. N11 - Restructured to operate via the revised 11 from Aldwych to Putney Heath, then alternate journeys continuing to Kingston via the 85. 22 - Extended from Putney Common to Barnes Pond via the 378/485. 72/430 - Merged to operate between East Acton and Roehampton, via the 72 to Hammersmith Bus Station, Fulham Palace Road, then the 430. Numbered 72 using DDs every 10 minutes. 190 - Extended from West Brompton to South Kensington via the 430. Converted to DDs. 209/378/485/533 - Merged to operate between Hammersmith and Wandsworth, via Chiswick Bridge, Mortlake, Barnes, Castelnau, Putney Common and Putney, operating about every 12 minutes. 272/283 - Merged to operate between Chiswick and Hammersmith Bridge North, via the 272 to Wood Lane, then South Africa Road, Bloemfontein Road, Uxbridge Road, Shepherds Bush Road, Hammersmith Station and Hammersmith Bridge Road. Operating every 12 minutes. N72 - Revised to follow the 72 above (via Upper Richmond Road, and terminating at Danebury Avenue), though could go via Roehampton Lane rather than Dover House Road, to serve the university and hospital. N74 - Cut back to Putney High Street (as per the day route). Partly replaced by the N72, while the revised N11 would continue to link most of Roehampton to Central London. N97 - Withdrawn, replaced by new route N190. N190 - New night route from Trafalgar Square to Feltham Station, via the N97 to South Kensington, 430 to West Brompton, 190 to Richmond and 490 to Feltham. I think the 11 is sacrosanct at least between Liverpool Street and Victoria although it could still go to Putney Bridge with the 14 still going to AF. I think it would be better to extend the N14 to Kingston and the N74 to North Cheam or vice versa. The 209/378/485/533 combo sounds ok to me. I'm not sure about the 22 to Barnes although it could perhaps go to the Wetland Centre? The N190 idea is interesting, could be viable. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2021 20:58:35 GMT
73 - extended to Victoria. To return the link from Victoria to Stoke Newington
134 - withdrawn between North Finchley and Colney Hatch, North Circular Road and extended to the retail park near there. Extended back to Tottenham Court Road, and then to Oxford Circus. To restore the link between Oxford Circus and Hampstead Lane and to provide a link from Muswell Hill to the retail park.
43 - rerouted to North Finchley via 134
390 - withdrawn between Victoria and Oxford Circus (replaced by 73). Extended to Friern Barnet (Colney Hatch retail pa via A1 to Henly's Corner, 13 to North Finchley, 221 to Friern Barnet. To provide an alternative link to central London from North Finchley and Friern Barnet
263 - withdrawn between Highbury Barn and Highbury Corner. Extended to Islington Angel. To provide a link from Barnet to Central London
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Post by TE920 on Nov 25, 2021 21:08:30 GMT
Some ideas I have…..
23: Park Lane, Hilton Hotel - Wembley Park, Kings Drive
Park Lane - Marble Arch - Lancaster Gate - Paddington - Normal Line of Route towards Ladbroke Grove Sainsbury’s - Kensal Green - Route 18 towards Wembley Triangle - Wembley Park - Wembley Park, King’s Drive (Opposite Asda)
N23: Victoria - Wembley Park, King’s Drive
Same as 23, Extended to Victoria via Route 16/N16 from Park Lane.
N52: Withdrawn
N97: Withdrawn
N102: Edmonton Green - BRTX SC
At Night Extended to BRTX SC via Cricklewood Lane & Claremont Road
N112: Ealing Broadway - Finsbury Park
Normal Line of Route to Henlys Corner - Route 102 to East Finchley - Route 263 to Archway - Route 210 to Finsbury Park
140/N140: Extended to Harrow Weald, OXHEY LANE (182)
182: BRTX SC - HD GR
Withdrawn HD GR to Oxhey Lane
N183: Golders Green - Watford Junction
North Harrow, Route H10 to Harrow View - Route H14 to Courtenay Avenue - H12 to HD GR - 258 to Watford Junction
N189: Withdrawn
228: Central Middlesex Hospital - Ladbroke Grove, Sainsbury’s
Withdrawn Ladbroke Grove, Sainsbury’s - The Chippenham
258: Watford Junction - Wembley Central
Following H17
295: Clapham Junction - Westbourne Park (24HR)
Extended from Ladbroke Grove, Sainsbury’s - X (Route 23)
340: Withdrawn
390/10: Archway - Hammersmith (24HR)
Original Route 10 Between Archway - Hammersmith
If Day Route too long, Archway - Royal Albert Hall
414: Withdrawn
452: Vauxhall - Madia Hill, The Chippenham
Re Routed Ladbroke Grove, Sainsbury’s to Madia Hill, The Chippenham (Route 228)
N452: Vauxhall - Willesden, Bus Garage
Following 52/N52 from Ladbroke Grove, Sainsbury’s
H12: South Harrow - Edgware
Re Routed Stanmore Broadway following Route 340 to Edgware
H17: Withdrawn
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2021 21:24:41 GMT
73 - extended to Victoria. To return the link from Victoria to Stoke Newington 134 - withdrawn between North Finchley and Colney Hatch, North Circular Road and extended to the retail park near there. Extended back to Tottenham Court Road, and then to Oxford Circus. To restore the link between Oxford Circus and Hampstead Lane and to provide a link from Muswell Hill to the retail park. 43 - rerouted to North Finchley via 134 390 - withdrawn between Victoria and Oxford Circus (replaced by 73). Extended to Friern Barnet (Colney Hatch retail pa via A1 to Henly's Corner, 13 to North Finchley, 221 to Friern Barnet. To provide an alternative link to central London from North Finchley and Friern Barnet 263 - withdrawn between Highbury Barn and Highbury Corner. Extended to Islington Angel. To provide a link from Barnet to Central London Agreed with the 73, no idea why the 390 was rerouted there.
The 134 I do not understand. That would face large amounts of traffic but I do imagine a Highgate to Falloden Way link might be well used. I don't think it's worth round-the-housing the 134 especially when it works well with the 43 in tandem. I know some people who use the 134 as a West End link who travel from Muswell Hill even with the option of the tube. Also a double decker high frequency service does not justify demand well for the Friern Barnet Retail Park.
The 43 would become far too long if diverted to North Finchley.
The 390 would be fine as just an Archway to Oxford Circus service.
What would you send to the Friern Barnet retail park if at all? Iirc you once mentioned sending the 460 there but I might be wrong on this |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2021 21:26:29 GMT
Some ideas I have….. 23: Park Lane, Hilton Hotel - Wembley Park, Kings Drive Park Lane - Marble Arch - Lancaster Gate - Paddington - Normal Line of Route towards Ladbroke Grove Sainsbury’s - Kensal Green - Route 18 towards Wembley Triangle - Wembley Park - Wembley Park, King’s Drive (Opposite Asda) N23: Victoria - Wembley Park, King’s Drive Same as 23, Extended to Victoria via Route 16/N16 from Park Lane. N52: Withdrawn N97: Withdrawn N102: Edmonton Green - BRTX SC At Night Extended to BRTX SC via Cricklewood Lane & Claremont Road N112: Ealing Broadway - Finsbury Park Normal Line of Route to Henlys Corner - Route 102 to East Finchley - Route 263 to Archway - Route 210 to Finsbury Park 140/N140: Extended to Harrow Weald, OXHEY LANE (182) 182: BRTX SC - HD GR Withdrawn HD GR to Oxhey Lane N183: Golders Green - Watford Junction North Harrow, Route H10 to Harrow View - Route H14 to Courtenay Avenue - H12 to HD GR - 258 to Watford Junction N189: Withdrawn 228: Central Middlesex Hospital - Ladbroke Grove, Sainsbury’s Withdrawn Ladbroke Grove, Sainsbury’s - The Chippenham 258: Watford Junction - Wembley Central Following H17 295: Clapham Junction - Westbourne Park (24HR) Extended from Ladbroke Grove, Sainsbury’s - X (Route 23) 340: Withdrawn 390/10: Archway - Hammersmith (24HR) Original Route 10 Between Archway - Hammersmith If Day Route too long, Archway - Royal Albert Hall 414: Withdrawn 452: Vauxhall - Madia Hill, The Chippenham Re Routed Ladbroke Grove, Sainsbury’s to Madia Hill, The Chippenham (Route 228) N452: Vauxhall - Willesden, Bus Garage Following 52/N52 from Ladbroke Grove, Sainsbury’s H12: South Harrow - Edgware Re Routed Stanmore Broadway following Route 340 to Edgware H17: Withdrawn Archway to Hammersmith isn't feasible in this day and age, though a link from Hammersmith to Oxford Street would be nice. |
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Post by LondonNorthern on Nov 25, 2021 21:27:59 GMT
73 - extended to Victoria. To return the link from Victoria to Stoke Newington 134 - withdrawn between North Finchley and Colney Hatch, North Circular Road and extended to the retail park near there. Extended back to Tottenham Court Road, and then to Oxford Circus. To restore the link between Oxford Circus and Hampstead Lane and to provide a link from Muswell Hill to the retail park. 43 - rerouted to North Finchley via 134 390 - withdrawn between Victoria and Oxford Circus (replaced by 73). Extended to Friern Barnet (Colney Hatch retail pa via A1 to Henly's Corner, 13 to North Finchley, 221 to Friern Barnet. To provide an alternative link to central London from North Finchley and Friern Barnet 263 - withdrawn between Highbury Barn and Highbury Corner. Extended to Islington Angel. To provide a link from Barnet to Central London 390 is way too high frequency demand for those roads it serves, the A1 section that the 102 doesn't serve probably justifies a 20 minute single decker service not a 10bph DD service. Plus that's not to say the 390 doesn't encounter traffic on it's current routing.
The 43/134 swap I can't understand, sorry. Friern Barnet Retail Park does not justify a DD service and there is no stand space. The 43 also has a few journeys from nearby the Matlock Close stand/St John's Church round the corner onto Colney Hatch Lane, not many but a few.
The 73 I agree with and I'd say the 390 would be better off becoming an Oxford Circus to Archway service.
The 134 extension to Oxford Circus would be too trafficky but I don't mind it returning to New Oxford Street. I felt it was always better there than UCL which it hardly even serves due to the uncopious amounts of HS2 roadworks.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Nov 25, 2021 21:29:38 GMT
Agreed with the 73, no idea why the 390 was rerouted there.
The 134 I do not understand. That would face large amounts of traffic but I do imagine a Highgate to Falloden Way link might be well used. I don't think it's worth round-the-housing the 134 especially when it works well with the 43 in tandem. I know some people who use the 134 as a West End link who travel from Muswell Hill even with the option of the tube. Also a double decker high frequency service does not justify demand well for the Friern Barnet Retail Park.
The 43 would become far too long if diverted to North Finchley.
The 390 would be fine as just an Archway to Oxford Circus service.
What would you send to the Friern Barnet retail park if at all? Iirc you once mentioned sending the 460 there but I might be wrong on this Updated my response.
I did once suggest the 460 but I don't know if it'd be representative of demand. I think it's the better option, it would support the 134/221/382 when the three of them can get busy and provide a round the corner link to Colney Hatch Tesco and I think would breathe a new lease of life into it.
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Post by VMH2537 on Nov 25, 2021 21:48:18 GMT
Some ideas I have….. 23: Park Lane, Hilton Hotel - Wembley Park, Kings Drive Park Lane - Marble Arch - Lancaster Gate - Paddington - Normal Line of Route towards Ladbroke Grove Sainsbury’s - Kensal Green - Route 18 towards Wembley Triangle - Wembley Park - Wembley Park, King’s Drive (Opposite Asda) N23: Victoria - Wembley Park, King’s Drive Same as 23, Extended to Victoria via Route 16/N16 from Park Lane. N52: Withdrawn N97: Withdrawn N102: Edmonton Green - BRTX SC At Night Extended to BRTX SC via Cricklewood Lane & Claremont Road N112: Ealing Broadway - Finsbury Park Normal Line of Route to Henlys Corner - Route 102 to East Finchley - Route 263 to Archway - Route 210 to Finsbury Park 140/N140: Extended to Harrow Weald, OXHEY LANE (182) 182: BRTX SC - HD GR Withdrawn HD GR to Oxhey Lane N183: Golders Green - Watford Junction North Harrow, Route H10 to Harrow View - Route H14 to Courtenay Avenue - H12 to HD GR - 258 to Watford Junction N189: Withdrawn 228: Central Middlesex Hospital - Ladbroke Grove, Sainsbury’s Withdrawn Ladbroke Grove, Sainsbury’s - The Chippenham 258: Watford Junction - Wembley Central Following H17 295: Clapham Junction - Westbourne Park (24HR) Extended from Ladbroke Grove, Sainsbury’s - X (Route 23) 340: Withdrawn 390/10: Archway - Hammersmith (24HR) Original Route 10 Between Archway - Hammersmith If Day Route too long, Archway - Royal Albert Hall 414: Withdrawn 452: Vauxhall - Madia Hill, The Chippenham Re Routed Ladbroke Grove, Sainsbury’s to Madia Hill, The Chippenham (Route 228) N452: Vauxhall - Willesden, Bus Garage Following 52/N52 from Ladbroke Grove, Sainsbury’s H12: South Harrow - Edgware Re Routed Stanmore Broadway following Route 340 to Edgware H17: Withdrawn Agreed on restructuring the 23 route to Wembley to utilise additional capacity on Harrow Road, but don't see the benefit of replacing the Westbourne Park routing with the 295. The local journeys are mostly directly to Ladbroke Grove and the Portobello areas that are well established for decades. The 295 turns before the station that are not popular from the local routings. Your H12/340 idea involves breaking the direct link from Harrow Town Centre to Uxbridge Road and Stamore areas, again comes at no benefit I see on it |
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Post by COBO on Nov 26, 2021 0:37:17 GMT
305
New route running between Greenford Broadway and Edgware.
Via Greenford Road, Greenford Roundabout, double run via Greenford Road and Green Park Way for Westway Cross, Rockware Avenue, Greenford Station, Oldfield Lane North, Berkeley Avenue, Greenford Road, Whitton Avenue West, 487 to South Harrow, H9 to Northwick Park Hospital, 223 to Kenton, 183 to Kingsbury Circle, 79 to Queensbury, 114 to Burnt Oak Broadway and 32 to Edgware.
Using:
Electric single deckers.
Purpose:
To link Greenford with Northwick Park Hospital and Edgware.
392:
New route running between Ealing Broadway and Harrow.
Via :
Route 483 to Ealing Hospital, 92 to Sudbury Hill, Sudbury Court Drive, Watford Road a and 483 to Harrow.
Using:
Electric double deckers.
Purpose:
To assist the 92 and provide a more direct link between Harrow and Ealing.
H9/H10: Discontinued.
H15: running between Northwick Park Hospital and South Harrow.
Via Route H9 to South Harrow.
Using:
Electric single deckers.
Purpose:
To maintain lost by the H9/ H10.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2021 9:24:30 GMT
Sorry but these are some of the most ridiculous changes ever. Theres zero reason to combine the 32 and 316. Not to mention the fact that DDs can't go past North Kensington or the fact its too long but why does Queensbury need a link with White City..? 186 to Ealing Broadway also does not make any sense what so ever. I can't imagine any of this working especially considering you plan to cut both 316 and 332 when they are there to provide support to both 16 and 32..? There reason to merge the 32 and 316 and that is to have Cricklewood to Kilburn not be over bussed. I don’t know if a Queensbury to White City is needed all I know is that it will create a new link. But I haven’t Routed 32 via North Kensington I have routed it via the 228. If you think that this is ridiculous what do you think TfL will do with the cuts. The only reason why dds can’t go past North Kensington is because of residents which probably can be dealt with. DDs can go past North Kensington as there are not physical restrictions. The reason why dds can’t go past North Kensington is to do with the residents which can be dealt with. Why does 186 make zero sense it creates a new link. Your 186 makes zero sense because it breaks links. You might as well keep the 186 as it is, extend the 340 to Greenford Broadway/station via 182 to John Lyon Roundabout, Sudbury Court Drive and 92. |
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Post by CircleLineofLife on Nov 26, 2021 10:58:12 GMT
But vast majority travel there in their cars. It's not like the stop is overcrowded that a higher frequency is needed. When I driven 324 on some occasions, there is only one/two or three people waiting at the Tesco bus stop/stand. The Brent Cross/Cricklewood/Neasden, I know very well and I live within those areas and obviously work at W, I analyse most of the routes, so can give a pretty good idea of the bus network in those areas. I've seen more than or 1 or 2 on the 324 when I've been out to the Tesco however I'll take your word for it because you drive it and I've noticed a lot of people who board it at the Tesco tend to disperse at the Shopping Centre anyway. I would say the niche Tesco links is nice just for connecting to the shopping centre just even for inclusive, as planning for the possibility of the less able is also needed. I mean you could walk to Claremont Rd for the 102,189 or C11 which isn't too far, or you just have it serve during shopping hours. Like an E7 and Ruislip High st sort of thing. |
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Post by CircleLineofLife on Nov 26, 2021 11:58:30 GMT
16: withdrawn between Hyde Park Corner and Victoria. Diverted to Hammersmith via route 23 to Hammersmith. To maintain lost links. 23: withdrawn between Marble Arch and Hammersmith. Withdrawn between Ladbroke Grove Sainsbury’s and Westbourne Park. Diverted to Sudbury via Ladbroke Grove, Harrow Road, route 18 to Harlesden, 206 to Brent Park and 92 to Sudbury. To assist the 18. 295: extended from Ladbroke Grove Sainsbury’s to Westbourne Park. To maintain lost links. 452: rerouted between Kensington Church Street and Kilburn Lane via Notting Hill Gate, route 94 to Holland Park Roundabout, route 228 to White City Station, route 220 to Scrubs Lane, Harrow Road and Kilburn Lane. To provide run the corner links and assist the 220. X16: new route running between Edgware and Victoria via route 32 to Kilburn and 16 to Victoria. To maintain links. N33: extended from Hammersmith to Paddington via route 23 to Paddington. To maintain lost links at night. Your X16 idea is good, I would probably have an express route on all the trunk roads so Finchley and Harrow Rd as well. Maybe Barnet Church - Marble Arch or Victoria (Finchley rd)- X82 or X13 Harrow - Euston/ Kings Cross -X18, this would follow the 92 to Sudbury Hill , and then the H17 to harrow bus station, however as Harrow bus station has no space maybe somewhere else in Harrow maybe Harrow Weald BUs garage. |
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Post by TE920 on Nov 26, 2021 17:11:13 GMT
Some ideas I have….. 23: Park Lane, Hilton Hotel - Wembley Park, Kings Drive Park Lane - Marble Arch - Lancaster Gate - Paddington - Normal Line of Route towards Ladbroke Grove Sainsbury’s - Kensal Green - Route 18 towards Wembley Triangle - Wembley Park - Wembley Park, King’s Drive (Opposite Asda) N23: Victoria - Wembley Park, King’s Drive Same as 23, Extended to Victoria via Route 16/N16 from Park Lane. N52: Withdrawn N97: Withdrawn N102: Edmonton Green - BRTX SC At Night Extended to BRTX SC via Cricklewood Lane & Claremont Road N112: Ealing Broadway - Finsbury Park Normal Line of Route to Henlys Corner - Route 102 to East Finchley - Route 263 to Archway - Route 210 to Finsbury Park 140/N140: Extended to Harrow Weald, OXHEY LANE (182) 182: BRTX SC - HD GR Withdrawn HD GR to Oxhey Lane N183: Golders Green - Watford Junction North Harrow, Route H10 to Harrow View - Route H14 to Courtenay Avenue - H12 to HD GR - 258 to Watford Junction N189: Withdrawn 228: Central Middlesex Hospital - Ladbroke Grove, Sainsbury’s Withdrawn Ladbroke Grove, Sainsbury’s - The Chippenham 258: Watford Junction - Wembley Central Following H17 295: Clapham Junction - Westbourne Park (24HR) Extended from Ladbroke Grove, Sainsbury’s - X (Route 23) 340: Withdrawn 390/10: Archway - Hammersmith (24HR) Original Route 10 Between Archway - Hammersmith If Day Route too long, Archway - Royal Albert Hall 414: Withdrawn 452: Vauxhall - Madia Hill, The Chippenham Re Routed Ladbroke Grove, Sainsbury’s to Madia Hill, The Chippenham (Route 228) N452: Vauxhall - Willesden, Bus Garage Following 52/N52 from Ladbroke Grove, Sainsbury’s H12: South Harrow - Edgware Re Routed Stanmore Broadway following Route 340 to Edgware H17: Withdrawn Agreed on restructuring the 23 route to Wembley to utilise additional capacity on Harrow Road, but don't see the benefit of replacing the Westbourne Park routing with the 295. The local journeys are mostly directly to Ladbroke Grove and the Portobello areas that are well established for decades. The 295 turns before the station that are not popular from the local routings. Your H12/340 idea involves breaking the direct link from Harrow Town Centre to Uxbridge Road and Stamore areas, again comes at no benefit I see on it Thank you. I don’t disagree with you and I also appreciate your reply. As growing up on the routing to Westbourne Park (Kensal Road) for 23 years I believe the 295 would be a much more beneficial choice for all residents, From what I’ve seen, a lot of residents are coming off at Sainsbury’s to wait for either a 228, 295 or 316 towards Bush. But no, fair enough it has always been like this. As for the 340/H12, I only really suggested it as a one off idea with all TFL Cuts Possibly in the wind, I could only think of what was best and with TFL Hopper this could make possible. |
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Post by COBO on Nov 26, 2021 17:12:39 GMT
16: withdrawn between Hyde Park Corner and Victoria. Diverted to Hammersmith via route 23 to Hammersmith. To maintain lost links. 23: withdrawn between Marble Arch and Hammersmith. Withdrawn between Ladbroke Grove Sainsbury’s and Westbourne Park. Diverted to Sudbury via Ladbroke Grove, Harrow Road, route 18 to Harlesden, 206 to Brent Park and 92 to Sudbury. To assist the 18. 295: extended from Ladbroke Grove Sainsbury’s to Westbourne Park. To maintain lost links. 452: rerouted between Kensington Church Street and Kilburn Lane via Notting Hill Gate, route 94 to Holland Park Roundabout, route 228 to White City Station, route 220 to Scrubs Lane, Harrow Road and Kilburn Lane. To provide run the corner links and assist the 220. X16: new route running between Edgware and Victoria via route 32 to Kilburn and 16 to Victoria. To maintain links. N33: extended from Hammersmith to Paddington via route 23 to Paddington. To maintain lost links at night. Your X16 idea is good, I would probably have an express route on all the trunk roads so Finchley and Harrow Rd as well. Maybe Barnet Church - Marble Arch or Victoria (Finchley rd)- X82 or X13 Harrow - Euston/ Kings Cross -X18, this would follow the 92 to Sudbury Hill , and then the H17 to harrow bus station, however as Harrow bus station has no space maybe somewhere else in Harrow maybe Harrow Weald BUs garage. I really think that x routes like the 607 and x140 is now is the way forwards. I think that over areas in London could benefit from express routes. Routes like the X13, X16, x18 and etc could become beneficial. |
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Post by SILENCED on Nov 26, 2021 17:20:12 GMT
Your X16 idea is good, I would probably have an express route on all the trunk roads so Finchley and Harrow Rd as well. Maybe Barnet Church - Marble Arch or Victoria (Finchley rd)- X82 or X13 Harrow - Euston/ Kings Cross -X18, this would follow the 92 to Sudbury Hill , and then the H17 to harrow bus station, however as Harrow bus station has no space maybe somewhere else in Harrow maybe Harrow Weald BUs garage. I really think that x routes like the 607 and x140 is now is the way forwards. I think that over areas in London could benefit from express routes. Routes like the X13, X16, x18 and etc could become beneficial. I worry limited stop routes will be early sacrifices if the cuts spread to outer London. |
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