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Post by WH241 on Jan 11, 2022 16:26:55 GMT
I have observed and used in both directions and never seen huge numbers maybe 5 to 10 boarding at Stratford City. I find Stratford City Bus Station pretty depressing and a faff to get to unless on the ground floor of Westfield. Was this observation in the last 2 years? I get the pandemic has been a long curse plaguing our lives but during the weekends, the 241 saw healthy loadings out of Stratford City in normal times. These still aren't normal times, the bus network has current usage of ~70% of what's considered a "normal" year. Well, that was before BoJo's stay at home order last month. I do not accept that a couple handfuls of passengers on the 241 at Stratford City is the height of the demand. Now maybe, but not pre pandemic levels. Pre pandemic but hey not going to argue over my local route. We all see things at different times but feel the 241 has not been the most successful of route extensions.
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Post by abellion on Jan 11, 2022 18:06:21 GMT
I always observed more passengers alighting at Westfield Avenue on the 388 rather than continuing to Stratford City Bus Station. Westfield Avenue provides a slightly quicker link to the heart of the shopping centre. Same here although in the opposite direction towards the City of London, I witnessed the 388 leave the bus station with either healthy loads or very busy and to clarify, I'm not talking about a one or two visits - I've visited that place more than I would otherwise want to Of course locals will have a better say than me in this matter but I've seen countless 388s in the city in the past few months and ridden/seen them plenty of times around Stratford and the route doesn't seem nearly as dead and underused as it is described, considering the comments on it I was surprised to see how busy it was. The 388 will definitely go down with the 357 and 414 as some of the most controversial routes in terms of usage
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Post by wirewiper on Jan 11, 2022 18:10:36 GMT
Same here although in the opposite direction towards the City of London, I witnessed the 388 leave the bus station with either healthy loads or very busy and to clarify, I'm not talking about a one or two visits - I've visited that place more than I would otherwise want to Of course locals will have a better say than me in this matter but I've seen countless 388s in the city in the past few months and ridden/seen them plenty of times around Stratford and the route doesn't seem nearly as dead and underused as it is described, considering the comments on it I was surprised to see how busy it was. The 388 will definitely go down with the 357 and 414 as some of the most controversial routes in terms of usage The 388 is definitely well used, it doesn't have the demand of routes like the 18, 29 and 149 but it provides a number of useful links that aren't provided by other services. It also provides extra capacity to support route 8 between Bethnal Green and Liverpool Street, and route 149 between Shoreditch and London Bridge.
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Post by enviroPB on Jan 11, 2022 18:56:16 GMT
I always observed more passengers alighting at Westfield Avenue on the 388 rather than continuing to Stratford City Bus Station. Westfield Avenue provides a slightly quicker link to the heart of the shopping centre. Same here although in the opposite direction towards the City of London, I witnessed the 388 leave the bus station with either healthy loads or very busy and to clarify, I'm not talking about a one or two visits - I've visited that place more than I would otherwise want to I've always joked with my mates that there wasn't anyone inside and I could contain it, I'd nuke Westfield!! This digression of Westfield Stratford City being the catalyst for social cleansing in the area will have to wait another day sadly. The 388 in its Elephant- Stratford City form was the best & most suscribed in my opinion. I opted for it whilst at uni in Aldgate when CS3 works were kicking in, and the Stratford leg was very well used. Late night journeys into Stratford City was also well loaded. I believe the 388 in its longest routing to Elephant at 7.5bph a few years ago depicted the route at its best. It's not worth comparing it to the 5bph botch job to London Bridge it is now.
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Post by ADH45258 on Jan 11, 2022 21:58:49 GMT
With rumours that the 102 & 144 could swap routeings, perhaps a restructure could involve the 34 as well - allowing the route to be shortened and run more reliably - particularly as the middle section parallels the 102?
34 - Barnet to Silver Street, then rerouted to terminate at Edmonton Green. 102 - Muswell Hill to Silver Street as present, then extended to Walthamstow Central. 144 - Extended from Muswell Hill to Brent Cross.
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Post by WH241 on Jan 11, 2022 22:06:59 GMT
Same here although in the opposite direction towards the City of London, I witnessed the 388 leave the bus station with either healthy loads or very busy and to clarify, I'm not talking about a one or two visits - I've visited that place more than I would otherwise want to Of course locals will have a better say than me in this matter but I've seen countless 388s in the city in the past few months and ridden/seen them plenty of times around Stratford and the route doesn't seem nearly as dead and underused as it is described, considering the comments on it I was surprised to see how busy it was. The 388 will definitely go down with the 357 and 414 as some of the most controversial routes in terms of usage The 357 and 388 both have a lot of duplication with other routes and in these times of cuts it could be argued those passengers can use other routes and the hopper fare.
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Post by ADH45258 on Jan 11, 2022 22:33:27 GMT
Some ideas for the Greenwich area, in response to the 1/168 consultation and some of the Crossrail proposals:
168 - Unchanged.
188, 199 & 244 - Withdrawn.
1 - Extended from Surrey Quays Shopping Centre (no longer serving Canada Water) to North Greenwich via the 188. Converted to 24-hour service, and existing N1 to be renumbered.
42 - Withdrawn between Liverpool Street and Tower Bridge Road, and instead extended to Canada Water or Surrey Quays via route 188.
129 - Extended from Greenwich to Bellingham via the 199. Option to introduce 24-hour service and/or increase in frequency.
161 - Withdrawn between Woolwich and North Greenwich.
180 - Restructured as proposed to operate between North Greenwich and Erith.
469 - Rerouted between Woolwich and Queen Elizabeth Hospital via the 244.
? - New route from Canada Water to Abbey Wood, via the 199 to Greenwich, 177/180 to Woolwich and the 244 to Abbey Wood. Maintains capacity between Greenwich and Woolwich, and introduces DDs along most of the 244 routeing. Could be numbered 188, 199 or 244, or a new number such as 480.
Changes to night routes - the N1 could be attached to the new route above, or alternatively be replaced by making the 177 24-hour and continuing from Peckham to Central London. Route N199 could be merged with the 47's night service.
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Post by Busboy105 on Jan 11, 2022 22:38:06 GMT
With rumours that the 102 & 144 could swap routeings, perhaps a restructure could involve the 34 as well - allowing the route to be shortened and run more reliably - particularly as the middle section parallels the 102? 34 - Barnet to Silver Street, then rerouted to terminate at Edmonton Green. 102 - Muswell Hill to Silver Street as present, then extended to Walthamstow Central. 144 - Extended from Muswell Hill to Brent Cross. Sending the 34 to Edmonton Green will break links from Barnet/Arnos Grove.
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Post by ADH45258 on Jan 11, 2022 22:43:05 GMT
With rumours that the 102 & 144 could swap routeings, perhaps a restructure could involve the 34 as well - allowing the route to be shortened and run more reliably - particularly as the middle section parallels the 102? 34 - Barnet to Silver Street, then rerouted to terminate at Edmonton Green. 102 - Muswell Hill to Silver Street as present, then extended to Walthamstow Central. 144 - Extended from Muswell Hill to Brent Cross. Sending the 34 to Edmonton Green will break links from Barnet/Arnos Grove. Do many passengers at the Barnet end use the 34 as far as Walthamstow?
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Post by Busboy105 on Jan 11, 2022 22:47:21 GMT
Sending the 34 to Edmonton Green will break links from Barnet/Arnos Grove. Do many passengers at the Barnet end use the 34 as far as Walthamstow? Not sure but regardless the 34 is a good North-East link which should be left alone
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Post by twobellstogo on Jan 11, 2022 23:30:38 GMT
Some ideas for the Greenwich area, in response to the 1/168 consultation and some of the Crossrail proposals: 168 - Unchanged. 188, 199 & 244 - Withdrawn. 1 - Extended from Surrey Quays Shopping Centre (no longer serving Canada Water) to North Greenwich via the 188. Converted to 24-hour service, and existing N1 to be renumbered. 42 - Withdrawn between Liverpool Street and Tower Bridge Road, and instead extended to Canada Water or Surrey Quays via route 188. 129 - Extended from Greenwich to Bellingham via the 199. Option to introduce 24-hour service and/or increase in frequency. 161 - Withdrawn between Woolwich and North Greenwich. 180 - Restructured as proposed to operate between North Greenwich and Erith. 469 - Rerouted between Woolwich and Queen Elizabeth Hospital via the 244. ? - New route from Canada Water to Abbey Wood, via the 199 to Greenwich, 177/180 to Woolwich and the 244 to Abbey Wood. Maintains capacity between Greenwich and Woolwich, and introduces DDs along most of the 244 routeing. Could be numbered 188, 199 or 244, or a new number such as 480. Changes to night routes - the N1 could be attached to the new route above, or alternatively be replaced by making the 177 24-hour and continuing from Peckham to Central London. Route N199 could be merged with the 47's night service. Very little of that is great. I like the idea of the 129 going on to Bellingham instead of the 199, but all I’d do there is just withdraw the 199 south of Lewisham and leave the rest of the service alone. The 180’s TfL proposed new route I’ve always liked and am looking forward to it being enacted, albeit that I think I’d like to bolster the 177 as well, and I’m not sure the 180 is the best route to go to Erith Quarry, I think I’d project the 428 there instead, and stop the 180 in Erith Town Centre. If demand picks up, it might be nice for the 180 to complement the 229 to Bexleyheath, but not in the current covid affected world. The rest, sorry, no. The replacement of part of the 188 with the less frequent 42 in particular is pretty rancid.
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Post by vjaska on Jan 11, 2022 23:46:56 GMT
Of course locals will have a better say than me in this matter but I've seen countless 388s in the city in the past few months and ridden/seen them plenty of times around Stratford and the route doesn't seem nearly as dead and underused as it is described, considering the comments on it I was surprised to see how busy it was. The 388 will definitely go down with the 357 and 414 as some of the most controversial routes in terms of usage The 357 and 388 both have a lot of duplication with other routes and in these times of cuts it could be argued those passengers can use other routes and the hopper fare. That doesn't mean we just remove them however - I mean the 357 has a hospital link which wouldn't be a great look when TfL themselves have been prioritising such links. Just because a route has duplication with other routes doesn't mean it should be on the chopping block otherwise you may as well completely remove 50% of the network overnight.
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Post by vjaska on Jan 11, 2022 23:52:54 GMT
Some ideas for the Greenwich area, in response to the 1/168 consultation and some of the Crossrail proposals: 168 - Unchanged. 188, 199 & 244 - Withdrawn. 1 - Extended from Surrey Quays Shopping Centre (no longer serving Canada Water) to North Greenwich via the 188. Converted to 24-hour service, and existing N1 to be renumbered. 42 - Withdrawn between Liverpool Street and Tower Bridge Road, and instead extended to Canada Water or Surrey Quays via route 188. 129 - Extended from Greenwich to Bellingham via the 199. Option to introduce 24-hour service and/or increase in frequency. 161 - Withdrawn between Woolwich and North Greenwich. 180 - Restructured as proposed to operate between North Greenwich and Erith. 469 - Rerouted between Woolwich and Queen Elizabeth Hospital via the 244. ? - New route from Canada Water to Abbey Wood, via the 199 to Greenwich, 177/180 to Woolwich and the 244 to Abbey Wood. Maintains capacity between Greenwich and Woolwich, and introduces DDs along most of the 244 routeing. Could be numbered 188, 199 or 244, or a new number such as 480. Changes to night routes - the N1 could be attached to the new route above, or alternatively be replaced by making the 177 24-hour and continuing from Peckham to Central London. Route N199 could be merged with the 47's night service. Very little of that is great. I like the idea of the 129 going on to Bellingham instead of the 199, but all I’d do there is just withdraw the 199 south of Lewisham and leave the rest of the service alone. The 180’s TfL proposed new route I’ve always liked and am looking forward to it being enacted, albeit that I think I’d like to bolster the 177 as well, and I’m not sure the 180 is the best route to go to Erith Quarry, I think I’d project the 428 there instead, and stop the 180 in Erith Town Centre. If demand picks up, it might be nice for the 180 to complement the 229 to Bexleyheath, but not in the current covid affected world. The rest, sorry, no. The replacement of part of the 188 with the less frequent 42 in particular is pretty rancid. Speaking of the 180's future routing, maybe one way to bolster the 177 would be to restructure the 199 as a Canada Water to Woolwich route via it's current routing to Greenwich and then follow the 177 to Woolwich with the 129 extended to Catford Bus Garage and the 47 increased in frequency to cover the 199?
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jan 12, 2022 0:02:19 GMT
Sending the 34 to Edmonton Green will break links from Barnet/Arnos Grove. Do many passengers at the Barnet end use the 34 as far as Walthamstow? In the mornings and evenings a few do surprisingly. I also used to get the bus back in the 90's from Crooked Billet to Barnet, to get Universitybus services to Hatfield. At times I even got it to Walthamstow Central.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jan 12, 2022 0:04:37 GMT
Route 205 - Extended to Leyton, Drapers Field or Stratford International and run a 24 hour service. And what is this going to achieve just scratching other services that already exist.
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