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Post by COBO on Nov 15, 2023 10:47:03 GMT
105: extended from Greenford Station to Berkeley Avenue via Rockware Avenue, Oldfield Lane North, Horsenden Lane North, Greenford Road and Berkeley Avenue. To assist the 92.
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Post by COBO on Nov 15, 2023 10:47:36 GMT
387: Running between Southall and Wembley Park via: South Road Route 195 to Hanwell Broadway Uxbridge Road Church Road Hanwell Station Greenford Avenue Ruislip Road East Route E5 to Teignmouth Gardens Route 297 to Bilton Road Manor Farm Road Bridgewater Road Ealing Road Priory Gardens Hanger Lane Gyratory North Circular Road Route 112 to Stonebridge Park Harrow Road Brentfield Hillside Brentfield Road Neasden Temple North Circular Road Route 16 to Neasden Shopping Centre Neasden Lane Birse Cresent Neasden Underpass Blackbird Hill Forty Lane Forty Avenue Brook Avenue Purpose: To link Perivale and Greenford Avenue with Ealing Hospital, to link Alperton with Southall and to help out the 297. I'm guessing DD's? How often would this run? Oh every 12 minutes.
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Post by northlondon83 on Nov 15, 2023 10:54:40 GMT
105: extended from Greenford Station to Berkeley Avenue via Rockware Avenue, Oldfield Lane North, Horsenden Lane North, Greenford Road and Berkeley Avenue. To assist the 92. Couldn't you just increase the frequency of the 92 instead
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Post by kermit463 on Nov 17, 2023 8:54:00 GMT
Not really a new idea but more a discussion. Does Streatham station to Oxford Circus really need 2 night buses? The 24 hour 159 and N109? Could the N109 maybe not do a different route like the 59 route? Or any other ideas?
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Post by greenboy on Nov 17, 2023 9:11:22 GMT
Not really a new idea but more a discussion. Does Streatham station to Oxford Circus really need 2 night buses? The 24 hour 159 and N109? Could the N109 maybe not do a different route like the 59 route? Or any other ideas? Surely it would be simpler just to have an N159? Service levels can stay as they are with QB doing the Streatham terminaters and BC doing the Croydon service. Another option would be to keep the N109 as it is and extend the N159 from Streatham to Croydon via the 250 route replacing the night service on that route. Could possibly even extend the N109 to New Addington replacing the night service on the 64?
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Post by southlondonbus on Nov 17, 2023 9:13:46 GMT
Not really a new idea but more a discussion. Does Streatham station to Oxford Circus really need 2 night buses? The 24 hour 159 and N109? Could the N109 maybe not do a different route like the 59 route? Or any other ideas? It's possible there's a feeling that 4 bph are needed from Oxford Circus to Streatham Station with less to Croydon and the 159 is proffered to a short working. Now that all N9 and N29s work the whole route I don't think there are any short working night routes now.
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Post by DT 11 on Nov 17, 2023 9:18:22 GMT
Not really a new idea but more a discussion. Does Streatham station to Oxford Circus really need 2 night buses? The 24 hour 159 and N109? Could the N109 maybe not do a different route like the 59 route? Or any other ideas? Yes it does. That section is busy at night especially on Weekends.
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Post by enviroPB on Nov 17, 2023 9:56:45 GMT
Not really a new idea but more a discussion. Does Streatham station to Oxford Circus really need 2 night buses? The 24 hour 159 and N109? Could the N109 maybe not do a different route like the 59 route? Or any other ideas? It's possible there's a feeling that 4 bph are needed from Oxford Circus to Streatham Station with less to Croydon and the 159 is proffered to a short working. Now that all N9 and N29s work the whole route I don't think there are any short working night routes now. There are still short workings on the N8, N38 and N207 if my memory serves me right.
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Post by kmkcheng on Nov 17, 2023 10:05:03 GMT
It's possible there's a feeling that 4 bph are needed from Oxford Circus to Streatham Station with less to Croydon and the 159 is proffered to a short working. Now that all N9 and N29s work the whole route I don't think there are any short working night routes now. There are still short workings on the N8, N38 and N207 if my memory serves me right. Plus the N18 and N98
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Post by kermit463 on Nov 17, 2023 10:07:47 GMT
Not really a new idea but more a discussion. Does Streatham station to Oxford Circus really need 2 night buses? The 24 hour 159 and N109? Could the N109 maybe not do a different route like the 59 route? Or any other ideas? Surely it would be simpler just to have an N159? Service levels can stay as they are with QB doing the Streatham terminaters and BC doing the Croydon service. Another option would be to keep the N109 as it is and extend the N159 from Streatham to Croydon via the 250 route replacing the night service on that route. Could possibly even extend the N109 to New Addington replacing the night service on the 64? The N159 idea sounds like a good one! I’ve said for years the 250 and 64 should merge to make a N250.
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Post by enviroPB on Nov 17, 2023 10:46:26 GMT
Not really a new idea but more a discussion. Does Streatham station to Oxford Circus really need 2 night buses? The 24 hour 159 and N109? Could the N109 maybe not do a different route like the 59 route? Or any other ideas? Surely it would be simpler just to have an N159? Service levels can stay as they are with QB doing the Streatham terminaters and BC doing the Croydon service. Another option would be to keep the N109 as it is and extend the N159 from Streatham to Croydon via the 250 route replacing the night service on that route. Could possibly even extend the N109 to New Addington replacing the night service on the 64? So you're basically talking about reinstating the old N159 then? I didn't want to comment on the topic again, but TfL chose to disband the N159 for a reason. My understanding is through buses to New Addington were sacrificed if there were any delays, leaving hour gaps for Croydon locals instead of turning northbound buses heading towards Marble Arch. There are economies of scale to be saved if merging the 64 and 250 together at night as well as the N109 and 159N. I prefer the latter; a merged N109 with shorts to Streatham and Oxford Circus.
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Post by greenboy on Nov 17, 2023 11:05:31 GMT
Surely it would be simpler just to have an N159? Service levels can stay as they are with QB doing the Streatham terminaters and BC doing the Croydon service. Another option would be to keep the N109 as it is and extend the N159 from Streatham to Croydon via the 250 route replacing the night service on that route. Could possibly even extend the N109 to New Addington replacing the night service on the 64? So you're basically talking about reinstating the old N159 then? I didn't want to comment on the topic again, but TfL chose to disband the N159 for a reason. My understanding is through buses to New Addington were sacrificed if there were any delays, leaving hour gaps for Croydon locals instead of turning northbound buses heading towards Marble Arch. There are economies of scale to be saved if merging the 64 and 250 together at night as well as the N109 and 159N. I prefer the latter; a merged N109 with shorts to Streatham and Oxford Circus. It's a possibility, yes obviously there is the risk of an hours gap if one bus is missing but that applies to any half hourly route. And yes merging the 64 and 250 at night would save a couple of buses which could perhaps be used to reinstate a night service between Croydon and Sutton.
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Post by southlondonbus on Nov 17, 2023 11:53:41 GMT
So you're basically talking about reinstating the old N159 then? I didn't want to comment on the topic again, but TfL chose to disband the N159 for a reason. My understanding is through buses to New Addington were sacrificed if there were any delays, leaving hour gaps for Croydon locals instead of turning northbound buses heading towards Marble Arch. There are economies of scale to be saved if merging the 64 and 250 together at night as well as the N109 and 159N. I prefer the latter; a merged N109 with shorts to Streatham and Oxford Circus. It's a possibility, yes obviously there is the risk of an hours gap if one bus is missing but that applibut es to any half hourly route. And yes merging the 64 and 250 at night would save a couple of buses which could perhaps be used to reinstate a night service between Croydon and Sutton. Could do an N64 from New Addington to Sutton via the 154. Thou I think any night service to Sutton and Croydon would be more desired to Morden to link with the night tube again
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Post by enviroPB on Nov 17, 2023 14:18:30 GMT
So you're basically talking about reinstating the old N159 then? I didn't want to comment on the topic again, but TfL chose to disband the N159 for a reason. My understanding is through buses to New Addington were sacrificed if there were any delays, leaving hour gaps for Croydon locals instead of turning northbound buses heading towards Marble Arch. There are economies of scale to be saved if merging the 64 and 250 together at night as well as the N109 and 159N. I prefer the latter; a merged N109 with shorts to Streatham and Oxford Circus. It's a possibility, yes obviously there is the risk of an hours gap if one bus is missing but that applies to any half hourly route. And yes merging the 64 and 250 at night would save a couple of buses which could perhaps be used to reinstate a night service between Croydon and Sutton. Not every half hourly route goes to central London, in fact the opposite so there was a case to have a more local night route in the 64. Gun to my head scenario, merging the 64 and 250 is the better option as it'll shave two buses off the combined PVR. It won't do much to add links to the night network as bar Brixton and East Croydon, there aren't other places that generate custom from nightlife. The 64N is almost empty after Park Lane northbound and the N250 is very quiet after Thornton Heath Station heading to Croydon. If the 64N and N250 are combined, it'll be a merger purely for cost cutting reasons and nothing more.
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Post by londonbuses on Nov 17, 2023 17:49:23 GMT
I wonder whether merging the (N)64 and (N)264 would make more sense. It would provide a night service roughly parallel to the tram and would connect to the Northern Line night tube at Tooting Broadway.
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