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Post by sdaniel on Feb 18, 2024 21:59:28 GMT
The current 259 route mirrors the Victoria Line more than my proposed 279 change bro. Camden Town is the northern line and King’s Cross is the Victoria line. Plus 29 is always very packed from Camden Town, it reminds me of the 18 bus so I think it actually needs more support. Same scenario with 259. I rather extended 329 to Finsbury Park Station give 29 little help Finsbury Park Nah I’d leave the 329 alone for now. If I had to extend it down south, the most I would extend it is to Harringay Superstores
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Post by Busboy105 on Feb 19, 2024 7:22:59 GMT
I rather extended 329 to Finsbury Park Station give 29 little help Finsbury Park Nah I’d leave the 329 alone for now. If I had to extend it down south, the most I would extend it is to Harringay Superstores That Green Lanes traffic would result in a lot of turns i can tell you that now
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Post by bk10mfe on Feb 19, 2024 10:03:55 GMT
Nah I’d leave the 329 alone for now. If I had to extend it down south, the most I would extend it is to Harringay Superstores That Green Lanes traffic would result in a lot of turns i can tell you that now Ik some people have suggested to merge the 67/329 into one route to run between Dalston-Enfield. Not sure how viable it would be due to certain traffic hotspots as well as the different frequencies & buses they use but it would enable the 123 to be kept to run to Wood Green rather than being curtailed to Turnpike Lane.
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Post by southlondonbus on Feb 19, 2024 10:26:48 GMT
That Green Lanes traffic would result in a lot of turns i can tell you that now Ik some people have suggested to merge the 67/329 into one route to run between Dalston-Enfield. Not sure how viable it would be due to certain traffic hotspots as well as the different frequencies & buses they use but it would enable the 123 to be kept to run to Wood Green rather than being curtailed to Turnpike Lane. Tbh I think it would be manageable.
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Post by bk10mfe on Feb 19, 2024 10:56:38 GMT
Ik some people have suggested to merge the 67/329 into one route to run between Dalston-Enfield. Not sure how viable it would be due to certain traffic hotspots as well as the different frequencies & buses they use but it would enable the 123 to be kept to run to Wood Green rather than being curtailed to Turnpike Lane. Tbh I think it would be manageable. Yeah I think it would take around roughly 70 mins to do from Dalston to Enfield which isn’t too bad, though the traffic in Palmers Green in particular can be very bad. Also correct me if I’m wrong but I don’t think LT’s would be suitable for the Enfield stand.
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Post by ADH45258 on Feb 19, 2024 15:25:05 GMT
That Green Lanes traffic would result in a lot of turns i can tell you that now Ik some people have suggested to merge the 67/329 into one route to run between Dalston-Enfield. Not sure how viable it would be due to certain traffic hotspots as well as the different frequencies & buses they use but it would enable the 123 to be kept to run to Wood Green rather than being curtailed to Turnpike Lane. I think that might be too long. Perhaps an alternative for the 67 could be to reroute to the east, providing some new links towards Hackney and Stratford? So could operate as present from Wood Green to Stoke Newington, then take over the 276 to Hackney Wick, then a more direct route to Stratford, perhaps via the 388 to Stratford City? The 276 could then be cut back to Homerton Hospital or Hackney Wick, or maybe rerouted to Leyton Asda. This would help improve reliability and overcrowding on the 276, and the 488 would maintain links from Bow to the Hackney area. Alternatively you could extend the 67 at the other end to somewhere like New Southgate, to relieve the 221?
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Post by bk10mfe on Feb 19, 2024 16:22:53 GMT
Ik some people have suggested to merge the 67/329 into one route to run between Dalston-Enfield. Not sure how viable it would be due to certain traffic hotspots as well as the different frequencies & buses they use but it would enable the 123 to be kept to run to Wood Green rather than being curtailed to Turnpike Lane. I think that might be too long. Perhaps an alternative for the 67 could be to reroute to the east, providing some new links towards Hackney and Stratford? So could operate as present from Wood Green to Stoke Newington, then take over the 276 to Hackney Wick, then a more direct route to Stratford, perhaps via the 388 to Stratford City? The 276 could then be cut back to Homerton Hospital or Hackney Wick, or maybe rerouted to Leyton Asda. This would help improve reliability and overcrowding on the 276, and the 488 would maintain links from Bow to the Hackney area. Alternatively you could extend the 67 at the other end to somewhere like New Southgate, to relieve the 221? I’ve been a bit skeptical myself on whether or not the 67/329 could be merged, mainly because crossing at Palmers Green takes quite a long time to get past. I also am not sure whether or not the new links it provides are necessarily needed from the routes. What I do think is more needed is a better Tottenham-Enfield link, the 192 definitely cannot cope with its very small buses. One option could be to simply swap the 192 & W8’s termini after Edmonton. The W8 would run down to the end of Bounces Road, then takeover the 192 to Tottenham Hale, as would the 192 takeover the W8 to Lea Valley. Another option to create a very fast Tottenham Hale/Enfield Route is to withdraw the 231 between the Roundway & Turnpike Lane & divert to Tottenham Hale via the other half of the Roundway & the 123 to Tottenham Hale, if you really wanted to you could even extend it further to Walthamstow Central via the 123 to the Bell & Hoe St. The main downside to this is that people on Westbury Ave would lose their direct route to Enfield & I’m not sure how well the 217/444 would cope along that corridor. I do think the 444 could be decked however as far as I’m aware I don’t think there is anything preventing it from being decked. Your suggestions to do with the 67 are also good, though it is likely that Lt’s would need to be removed from the route in either scenario.
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Post by sdaniel on Feb 20, 2024 12:46:11 GMT
Hampstead/Highgate/Southgate Bus Changes:
46: St Bart’s Hospital - Paddington (Rerouted via Belsize Avenue, no longer serving Hampstead Station) 240: Edgware - Camden Town (Extended to Camden Town to replace 268’s withdrawn section between Golders Green and Belsize Park, also enabling a link between Camden Town and Hendon for Middlesex University) 268: Finchley Road - Southgate (via 299’s & 603’s routings, no longer serving Golders Green due to 240’s extension) 299: Withdrawn (replaced by 268 & W9) W9: Chase Farm Hospital - Cockfosters (Extended to Cockfosters via 299’s current routing between Southgate and Cockfosters)
I considered some of the suggestions you guys put about these ideas in the past and came up with these proposals.
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Post by Busboy105 on Feb 20, 2024 18:21:23 GMT
Hampstead/Highgate/Southgate Bus Changes:46: St Bart’s Hospital - Paddington (Rerouted via Belsize Avenue, no longer serving Hampstead Station) 240: Edgware - Camden Town (Extended to Camden Town to replace 268’s withdrawn section between Golders Green and Belsize Park, also enabling a link between Camden Town and Hendon for Middlesex University) 268: Finchley Road - Southgate (via 299’s & 603’s routings, no longer serving Golders Green due to 240’s extension) 299: Withdrawn (replaced by 268 & W9) W9: Chase Farm Hospital - Cockfosters (Extended to Cockfosters via 299’s current routing between Southgate and Cockfosters) I considered some of the suggestions you guys put about these ideas in the past and came up with these proposals. Your 240 parallels the Northern line a bit too much. Sending the 268 to Southgate would break Royal Free Hospital links
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Post by sdaniel on Feb 20, 2024 20:13:40 GMT
Hampstead/Highgate/Southgate Bus Changes:46: St Bart’s Hospital - Paddington (Rerouted via Belsize Avenue, no longer serving Hampstead Station) 240: Edgware - Camden Town (Extended to Camden Town to replace 268’s withdrawn section between Golders Green and Belsize Park, also enabling a link between Camden Town and Hendon for Middlesex University) 268: Finchley Road - Southgate (via 299’s & 603’s routings, no longer serving Golders Green due to 240’s extension) 299: Withdrawn (replaced by 268 & W9) W9: Chase Farm Hospital - Cockfosters (Extended to Cockfosters via 299’s current routing between Southgate and Cockfosters) I considered some of the suggestions you guys put about these ideas in the past and came up with these proposals. Your 240 parallels the Northern line a bit too much. Sending the 268 to Southgate would break Royal Free Hospital links But that’s exactly why I’m rerouting the 46, to make sure the link maintains between College Crescent/Belsize Avenue and Royal Free Hospital.
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Post by londonbuses on Feb 20, 2024 22:10:07 GMT
Sutton to Croydon corridor (and other Carshalton and Wallington area) changes:
403 Wallington to Warlingham (5bph DD) Extended from West Croydon Bus Station to Wallington via route 410.
407 Sutton Town Centre to Croydon Town Centre (3bph DD) Withdrawn between Croydon Town Centre and Caterham as planned. Frequency decreased from 5bph to 3bph.
410 South Croydon Bus Garage to Crystal Palace (7.5bph 9.7m SD) Withdrawn between Reeves Corner and Wallington, and extended to South Croydon Bus Garage via Old Town, Southbridge Road and Brighton Road. Frequency increased from 6bph to 7.5bph.
413 Morden to Belmont (4bph 10.8m SD) Extended from Sutton to Belmont via Benhill Avenue then the S3 routing.
435 Pollards Hill to Wallington (3bph 9m SD) New route replacing the 463 between Pollards Hill and Wallington.
437 West Croydon to Caterham (5bph DD) New route replacing the 407 between West Croydon and Caterham, following the existing 407 routing in its entirety.
463 Sutton Bushey Road to Coulsdon South (4bph 10.8m SD) Withdrawn between Wallington and Pollards Hill, and extended to Sutton Town Centre via routes 127/157 to Carshalton, 407 to Sutton Town Centre and 213 to Sutton Bushey Road. Frequency increased from 3bph to 4bph and bus length upgraded from 9m to 10.8m.
N154 Morden to West Croydon (2bph DD) Night service roughly following the 154, but diverted through Sutton Town Centre and Carshalton Road via the 407 and running directly along Stafford Road avoiding Roundshaw via the 157.
S3 Malden Manor to Sutton Station (3bph 9m SD) Withdrawn between Belmont and Sutton Station.
SL7 Heathrow Central to West Croydon (5bph DD) Frequency increased to 5bph. Extra stops added at Beddington Library (at the Croydon Road/Plough Lane stops) and Waddon Station (at the Purley Way/Waddon Station stops). The Sutton to Croydon section can serve more intermediate stops because the train will always be significantly faster between Sutton and Croydon.
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Post by bk10mfe on Feb 20, 2024 22:33:20 GMT
Sutton to Croydon corridor (and other Carshalton and Wallington area) changes: 403 Wallington to Warlingham (5bph DD) Extended from West Croydon Bus Station to Wallington via route 410. 407 Sutton Town Centre to Croydon Town Centre (3bph DD) Withdrawn between Croydon Town Centre and Caterham as planned. Frequency decreased from 5bph to 3bph. 410 South Croydon Bus Garage to Crystal Palace (7.5bph 9.7m SD) Withdrawn between Reeves Corner and Wallington, and extended to South Croydon Bus Garage via Old Town, Southbridge Road and Brighton Road. Frequency increased from 6bph to 7.5bph. 413 Morden to Belmont (4bph 10.8m SD) Extended from Sutton to Belmont via Benhill Avenue then the S3 routing. 435 Pollards Hill to Wallington (3bph 9m SD) New route replacing the 463 between Pollards Hill and Wallington. 437 West Croydon to Caterham (5bph DD) New route replacing the 407 between West Croydon and Caterham, following the existing 407 routing in its entirety. 463 Sutton Bushey Road to Coulsdon South (4bph 10.8m SD) Withdrawn between Wallington and Pollards Hill, and extended to Sutton Town Centre via routes 127/157 to Carshalton, 407 to Sutton Town Centre and 213 to Sutton Bushey Road. Frequency increased from 3bph to 4bph and bus length upgraded from 9m to 10.8m. N154 Morden to West Croydon (2bph DD) Night service roughly following the 154, but diverted through Sutton Town Centre and Carshalton Road via the 407 and running directly along Stafford Road avoiding Roundshaw via the 157. S3 Malden Manor to Sutton Station (3bph 9m SD) Withdrawn between Belmont and Sutton Station. SL7 Heathrow Central to West Croydon (5bph DD) Frequency increased to 5bph. Extra stops added at Beddington Library (at the Croydon Road/Plough Lane stops) and Waddon Station (at the Purley Way/Waddon Station stops). The Sutton to Croydon section can serve more intermediate stops because the train will always be significantly faster between Sutton and Croydon. Some interesting ideas for sure. I think the 407 split has been delayed as it is now not going through on March 2nd as initially planned. I wonder if it might be more useful to withdraw the 410 between Wallington & West Croydon (with your 403 proposal implemented) & extend it on its northern end towards the Dulwich area.
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Post by vjaska on Feb 21, 2024 2:17:12 GMT
Sutton to Croydon corridor (and other Carshalton and Wallington area) changes: 403 Wallington to Warlingham (5bph DD) Extended from West Croydon Bus Station to Wallington via route 410. 407 Sutton Town Centre to Croydon Town Centre (3bph DD) Withdrawn between Croydon Town Centre and Caterham as planned. Frequency decreased from 5bph to 3bph. 410 South Croydon Bus Garage to Crystal Palace (7.5bph 9.7m SD) Withdrawn between Reeves Corner and Wallington, and extended to South Croydon Bus Garage via Old Town, Southbridge Road and Brighton Road. Frequency increased from 6bph to 7.5bph. 413 Morden to Belmont (4bph 10.8m SD) Extended from Sutton to Belmont via Benhill Avenue then the S3 routing. 435 Pollards Hill to Wallington (3bph 9m SD) New route replacing the 463 between Pollards Hill and Wallington. 437 West Croydon to Caterham (5bph DD) New route replacing the 407 between West Croydon and Caterham, following the existing 407 routing in its entirety. 463 Sutton Bushey Road to Coulsdon South (4bph 10.8m SD) Withdrawn between Wallington and Pollards Hill, and extended to Sutton Town Centre via routes 127/157 to Carshalton, 407 to Sutton Town Centre and 213 to Sutton Bushey Road. Frequency increased from 3bph to 4bph and bus length upgraded from 9m to 10.8m. N154 Morden to West Croydon (2bph DD) Night service roughly following the 154, but diverted through Sutton Town Centre and Carshalton Road via the 407 and running directly along Stafford Road avoiding Roundshaw via the 157. S3 Malden Manor to Sutton Station (3bph 9m SD) Withdrawn between Belmont and Sutton Station. SL7 Heathrow Central to West Croydon (5bph DD) Frequency increased to 5bph. Extra stops added at Beddington Library (at the Croydon Road/Plough Lane stops) and Waddon Station (at the Purley Way/Waddon Station stops). The Sutton to Croydon section can serve more intermediate stops because the train will always be significantly faster between Sutton and Croydon. I think the 407 cut is far too harsh and I don't think the SL7 should be further increased as it creates a rather inbalanced picture IMO. Leaving the 403 as is and removing the 410 west of Croydon removes some excess capacity and in any case, something like the 433 could be extended to Sutton with the 407 becoming a Croydon to Caterham route or keep the existing 407 from Sutton but split it at Purley with the 443 as a Croydon to Caterham route keeping a more proportioned overlap between the two routes I disagree with the 410 going to South Croydon Garage - Brighton Road still has plenty of capacity despite the 166 moving to Pampisford Road (wrongly IMO, 312 should move over instead) and I'd rather it finish at Croydon instead as the core of the 410 is Croydon to Crystal Palace. If the 433 is extended to Sutton, the 410 can take it's spot
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Post by bk10mfe on Feb 21, 2024 8:32:59 GMT
Sutton to Croydon corridor (and other Carshalton and Wallington area) changes: 403 Wallington to Warlingham (5bph DD) Extended from West Croydon Bus Station to Wallington via route 410. 407 Sutton Town Centre to Croydon Town Centre (3bph DD) Withdrawn between Croydon Town Centre and Caterham as planned. Frequency decreased from 5bph to 3bph. 410 South Croydon Bus Garage to Crystal Palace (7.5bph 9.7m SD) Withdrawn between Reeves Corner and Wallington, and extended to South Croydon Bus Garage via Old Town, Southbridge Road and Brighton Road. Frequency increased from 6bph to 7.5bph. 413 Morden to Belmont (4bph 10.8m SD) Extended from Sutton to Belmont via Benhill Avenue then the S3 routing. 435 Pollards Hill to Wallington (3bph 9m SD) New route replacing the 463 between Pollards Hill and Wallington. 437 West Croydon to Caterham (5bph DD) New route replacing the 407 between West Croydon and Caterham, following the existing 407 routing in its entirety. 463 Sutton Bushey Road to Coulsdon South (4bph 10.8m SD) Withdrawn between Wallington and Pollards Hill, and extended to Sutton Town Centre via routes 127/157 to Carshalton, 407 to Sutton Town Centre and 213 to Sutton Bushey Road. Frequency increased from 3bph to 4bph and bus length upgraded from 9m to 10.8m. N154 Morden to West Croydon (2bph DD) Night service roughly following the 154, but diverted through Sutton Town Centre and Carshalton Road via the 407 and running directly along Stafford Road avoiding Roundshaw via the 157. S3 Malden Manor to Sutton Station (3bph 9m SD) Withdrawn between Belmont and Sutton Station. SL7 Heathrow Central to West Croydon (5bph DD) Frequency increased to 5bph. Extra stops added at Beddington Library (at the Croydon Road/Plough Lane stops) and Waddon Station (at the Purley Way/Waddon Station stops). The Sutton to Croydon section can serve more intermediate stops because the train will always be significantly faster between Sutton and Croydon. I think the 407 cut is far too harsh and I don't think the SL7 should be further increased as it creates a rather inbalanced picture IMO. Leaving the 403 as is and removing the 410 west of Croydon removes some excess capacity and in any case, something like the 433 could be extended to Sutton with the 407 becoming a Croydon to Caterham route or keep the existing 407 from Sutton but split it at Purley with the 443 as a Croydon to Caterham route keeping a more proportioned overlap between the two routes I disagree with the 410 going to South Croydon Garage - Brighton Road still has plenty of capacity despite the 166 moving to Pampisford Road (wrongly IMO, 312 should move over instead) and I'd rather it finish at Croydon instead as the core of the 410 is Croydon to Crystal Palace. If the 433 is extended to Sutton, the 410 can take it's spot Could it be viable to retain the 407’s current frequency & once split have it perform a double run to serve Wallington Station, with the 410 cut back to West Croydon & possibly extended on its northern end?
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Post by southlondon413 on Feb 21, 2024 8:47:01 GMT
I think the 407 cut is far too harsh and I don't think the SL7 should be further increased as it creates a rather inbalanced picture IMO. Leaving the 403 as is and removing the 410 west of Croydon removes some excess capacity and in any case, something like the 433 could be extended to Sutton with the 407 becoming a Croydon to Caterham route or keep the existing 407 from Sutton but split it at Purley with the 443 as a Croydon to Caterham route keeping a more proportioned overlap between the two routes I disagree with the 410 going to South Croydon Garage - Brighton Road still has plenty of capacity despite the 166 moving to Pampisford Road (wrongly IMO, 312 should move over instead) and I'd rather it finish at Croydon instead as the core of the 410 is Croydon to Crystal Palace. If the 433 is extended to Sutton, the 410 can take it's spot Could it be viable to retain the 407’s current frequency & once split have it perform a double run to serve Wallington Station, with the 410 cut back to West Croydon & possibly extended on its northern end? That’s quite a long double run and completely unnecessary as the 127/157 both connect Carshalton with Wallington.
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