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Post by TB123 on Sept 2, 2022 8:35:15 GMT
Update - 02/09/2022 Following yesterday's tender result, I have updated the Abellio, Arriva and Go-Ahead sections to reflect the new buses on order for the new contracts announced in that result. It doesn't feel normal to see 4 entries in the Arriva section, even if two if them are little mini routes! You probably have to go back to 2017 until the last time this happened. By the year end what with the 157, 221, 417, and W3 due, may well be up to 6 or 7 entries....
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Sept 2, 2022 9:56:04 GMT
It doesn't feel normal to see 4 entries in the Arriva section, even if two if them are little mini routes! You probably have to go back to 2017 until the last time this happened. By the year end what with the 157, 221, 417, and W3 due, may well be up to 6 or 7 entries.... Certainly looking forward to that tender, Arriva should have a fair few buses coming free from cuts so I'd be surprised if the 157 or W3 weren't existing bids.
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Post by LondonExplorer316 on Sept 2, 2022 10:07:27 GMT
By the year end what with the 157, 221, 417, and W3 due, may well be up to 6 or 7 entries.... Certainly looking forward to that tender, Arriva should have a fair few buses coming free from cuts so I'd be surprised if the 157 or W3 weren't existing bids. I could see W3 snatching the SWs from 340 (I'm sure they're 340 allocated)
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Post by TB123 on Sept 2, 2022 10:09:48 GMT
By the year end what with the 157, 221, 417, and W3 due, may well be up to 6 or 7 entries.... Certainly looking forward to that tender, Arriva should have a fair few buses coming free from cuts so I'd be surprised if the 157 or W3 weren't existing bids. I expect the 221, 417 and W3 will be existing HVs (can't see any being lost) with the 157 new electrics if retained.
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Post by Busboy105 on Sept 2, 2022 10:30:18 GMT
Certainly looking forward to that tender, Arriva should have a fair few buses coming free from cuts so I'd be surprised if the 157 or W3 weren't existing bids. I could see W3 snatching the SWs from 340 (I'm sure they're 340 allocated) They do appear on the 102 And 329 as well
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Post by DT 11 on Sept 2, 2022 10:40:06 GMT
Certainly looking forward to that tender, Arriva should have a fair few buses coming free from cuts so I'd be surprised if the 157 or W3 weren't existing bids. I could see W3 snatching the SWs from 340 (I'm sure they're 340 allocated) Would not surprise me if the SWs are withdrawn, from what I have heard they are unreliable.
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Post by SILENCED on Sept 2, 2022 10:48:29 GMT
Certainly looking forward to that tender, Arriva should have a fair few buses coming free from cuts so I'd be surprised if the 157 or W3 weren't existing bids. I expect the 221, 417 and W3 will be existing HVs (can't see any being lost) with the 157 new electrics if retained. Out of curiosity, where do you see the HVs for the 417 & W3 coming from?
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Post by TB123 on Sept 2, 2022 10:54:22 GMT
I expect the 221, 417 and W3 will be existing HVs (can't see any being lost) with the 157 new electrics if retained. Out of curiosity, where do you see the HVs for the 417 & W3 coming from? 242/243/341 HVs should certainly be enough for the W3. Potentially others available for the 417 too.
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Post by SILENCED on Sept 2, 2022 11:01:25 GMT
Out of curiosity, where do you see the HVs for the 417 & W3 coming from? 242/243/341 HVs should certainly be enough for the W3. Potentially others available for the 417 too. The other unknown is the 78s HAs. There would easily be enough if we included those, but with 69 G3s already at N, would give 417 priority for any of them being free. But then if N is going to get kitted out for the 157 ....
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Post by greenboy on Sept 2, 2022 11:08:50 GMT
Certainly looking forward to that tender, Arriva should have a fair few buses coming free from cuts so I'd be surprised if the 157 or W3 weren't existing bids. I could see W3 snatching the SWs from 340 (I'm sure they're 340 allocated) I'm sure drivers on the W3 will be thrilled about that idea 🤣 🤣
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Post by ADH45258 on Sept 2, 2022 11:11:57 GMT
Out of curiosity, where do you see the HVs for the 417 & W3 coming from? 242/243/341 HVs should certainly be enough for the W3. Potentially others available for the 417 too. Maybe not permanently, but the HVs from the 243/341 cuts seem to be reallocated to the 41/123 now, with a number of 11reg DWs being out of service for a while. If the routes mentioned are retained, my guess would be enough hybrids scraped together for the 417, but with new electrics for the W3. However both routes could be quite competitive tenders, perhaps the W3 might go to HT using existing hybrids from the 91, or the 417 to QB/SW?
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Post by SILENCED on Sept 2, 2022 11:21:48 GMT
242/243/341 HVs should certainly be enough for the W3. Potentially others available for the 417 too. Maybe not permanently, but the HVs from the 243/341 cuts seem to be reallocated to the 41/123 now, with a number of 11reg DWs being out of service for a while. If the routes mentioned are retained, my guess would be enough hybrids scraped together for the 417, but with new electrics for the W3. However both routes could be quite competitive tenders. The excess HVs at AR could easily be swapped out when DW501-514 become free from their duties at E, which are yet to begin. I can personally see 417 & 157 going G3 HV. W3, in my eyes will either be electric or take HAs. Well we could say the same about the parked up 59-reg DWs at TC, as those 11-reg at AR, but we have been assured they will return to service.
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Post by LondonExplorer316 on Sept 2, 2022 11:28:01 GMT
I could see W3 snatching the SWs from 340 (I'm sure they're 340 allocated) They do appear on the 102 And 329 as well I am aware, but on paper those are 340's
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Post by LondonExplorer316 on Sept 2, 2022 11:29:30 GMT
I could see W3 snatching the SWs from 340 (I'm sure they're 340 allocated) I'm sure drivers on the W3 will be thrilled about that idea 🤣 🤣 Only problem is they're an unfamiliar type, however they wouldn't be at N since I remember there was once a StreetDeck there
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Post by greenboy on Sept 2, 2022 11:40:01 GMT
I'm sure drivers on the W3 will be thrilled about that idea 🤣 🤣 Only problem is they're an unfamiliar type, however they wouldn't be at N since I remember there was once a StreetDeck there The SWs will probably be withdrawn
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