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Post by M1104 on Sept 23, 2022 11:10:09 GMT
Perhaps it’ll be a return to the early 2000s when North and South had slightly different DD vehicle orders. Wright for the North, ADL for the south. Those 134 DW DB250s! Still slightly different mind you as i believe the Wrights ordered for the north were B7TL chassied
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Post by SILENCED on Sept 23, 2022 11:26:52 GMT
Still slightly different mind you as i believe the Wrights ordered for the north were B7TL chassied If I recall correctly they were not ordered on a North/South split, just how they came to be allocated when delivered. Many vehicles were not allocated to the routes they were ordered for during this period. CT and AR seemed to get a lot of new vehicles which led to cascades out.
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Post by WH241 on Sept 23, 2022 11:46:22 GMT
Update 23/09/2022 Updated the Arriva section with the order for route 307. The chosen vehicle type might interest some members here. Nice to see Wrightbus getting some more orders in London! Can see this increasing in the future. It will be impossible for ADL to meet London and UK demands alone! Delivery times are already long as we have seen with recent orders.
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Post by vjaska on Sept 23, 2022 11:49:35 GMT
I can see the 64’s batch (and 612’s two electrics for that matter) being ADL’s, seeing as TH is an ADL garage, and TC have traditionally gone for ADL products when they’ve got new buses to order. They could have quite easily ordered HV’s for the 405’s but went for HT’s instead. Same could be said for the 60 back in 2013, suppose they could’ve ordered DW’s for it but T279-T287 came instead They'd discontinued the B5LH/Gemini product by the time of the 405 order so HVs wouldn't have been an option. Whatever is ordered is a new type for either garage with little commonality on existing types so I don't expect that to be defining factor. Indeed what with the 64 being one of the highest mileage routes in London (in the top25) I expect the better range of the Electroliner will be closely considered. Ordering either EA’s or Electroliners for TH would still provide commonality as a number of the parts on both vehicles are similar or in some cases, the same as existing vehicles in the garages
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Post by TB123 on Sept 23, 2022 11:56:01 GMT
They'd discontinued the B5LH/Gemini product by the time of the 405 order so HVs wouldn't have been an option. Whatever is ordered is a new type for either garage with little commonality on existing types so I don't expect that to be defining factor. Indeed what with the 64 being one of the highest mileage routes in London (in the top25) I expect the better range of the Electroliner will be closely considered. Ordering either EA’s or Electroliners for TH would still provide commonality as a number of the parts on both vehicles are similar or in some cases, the same as existing vehicles in the garages On some small items yes, hence "little" commonality😉
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Post by VMH2537 on Sept 23, 2022 12:09:16 GMT
The 377 is expecting 8.7m Optare Metrocities as to why the Electroliners are ordered to allow both to charge on the same infastructure. IIRC the Electroliners and Optare have a option for CCS on EV's.
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Post by ADH45258 on Sept 23, 2022 12:10:08 GMT
The 377 is expecting 8.7m Optar Metrocities as to why the Electroliners are ordered to allow both to charge on the same infastructure. IIRC the Electroliners and Optare have a option for CCS. Perhaps Metrodeckers were also considered for the 307?
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Post by ADH45258 on Sept 23, 2022 12:18:15 GMT
Nice to see Wrightbus getting some more orders in London! Can see this increasing in the future. It will be impossible for ADL to meet London and UK demands alone! Delivery times are already long as we have seen with recent orders. That's true, however there are already more than two options, so could alternatively end up seeing more orders from Volvo or Optare - plus any future vehicles including the ADL integral electrics. Though there's also several London operators who seem unlikely to order anything other than ADL now for standardisation, particularly Go Ahead and RATP. Stagecoach recently placed an order of BZLs outside of London, so perhaps in London they might follow Abellio in switching to a more varied fleet - particularly as LI and AW will soon have non-BYD chargers for the Metrocities. I also wonder in the future how common it will be for one garage to have two different types of electric, of the same spec and length etc. So far the only example is X, which will soon have both OMEs and BCEs.
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Post by SILENCED on Sept 23, 2022 12:29:00 GMT
The 377 is expecting 8.7m Optare Metrocities as to why the Electroliners are ordered to allow both to charge on the same infastructure. IIRC the Electroliners and Optare have a option for CCS on EV's. Has this been confirmed? No expert on electric charging rigs, but thought I read that Optare only supported the Siemens charging system which is non-standard?
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Post by VMH2537 on Sept 23, 2022 12:53:34 GMT
The 377 is expecting 8.7m Optare Metrocities as to why the Electroliners are ordered to allow both to charge on the same infastructure. IIRC the Electroliners and Optare have a option for CCS on EV's. Has this been confirmed? No expert on electric charging rigs, but thought I read that Optare only supported the Siemens charging system which is non-standard? Not official as of yet, but we're expecting the route to receive them as they are the only manufacturer to offer short single deck EV's currently.
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Post by SILENCED on Sept 23, 2022 13:26:28 GMT
Has this been confirmed? No expert on electric charging rigs, but thought I read that Optare only supported the Siemens charging system which is non-standard? Not official as of yet, but we're expecting the route to receive them as they are the only manufacturer to offer short single deck EV's currently. Yutong E9? pelicanyutong.co.uk/launch-smaller-zero-emission-bus-yutong-e9/
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Post by vjaska on Sept 23, 2022 13:43:35 GMT
Your right in that it's an option but I personally think it's more likely Metrocitys will be chosen - it seems telling no one has bothered with the Yutong in London despite several operators having trialed it (I've no opinion on how the Yutong performs in case anyone is wondering).
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Post by ADH45258 on Sept 23, 2022 14:39:03 GMT
Interestingly this seems to be dual-door, unlike any other London SDs around 9m It may be a question of whether Yutong offer the E9 to TFL spec, I think other types have been ruled out in the past for this reason.
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Post by SILENCED on Sept 23, 2022 14:40:24 GMT
Interestingly this seems to be dual-door, unlike any other London SDs around 9m It may be a question of whether Yutong offer the E9 to TFL spec, I think other types have been ruled out in the past for this reason. 2nd door can be easily dropped, as per deckers. I will be surprised if they sell any dual doored ones.
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Post by snowman on Sept 23, 2022 15:59:28 GMT
Interestingly this seems to be dual-door, unlike any other London SDs around 9m It may be a question of whether Yutong offer the E9 to TFL spec, I think other types have been ruled out in the past for this reason. Looks like Yutong is also planning a double deck, derived from those for Singapore, but with a seating capacity of 68 and total capacity of only 80 wouldn’t meet TfL spec. Presumably too heavy in 2 axle form www.route-one.net/news/yutong-battery-electric-double-decker-coming-in-2023/
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