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Post by vjaska on Jan 19, 2024 14:46:36 GMT
No mention yet on the 131 and 280, which I'm most interested to know. Even the 333, mentioned on LOTS online as getting Ees, is not on the list. I'm keeping an open mind on Goo Ahead dual sourcing, bearing in mind a lot of the bus orders are for existing routes Which suggest this is either part of an order or they simply aren’t announcing all of them. The 366 didn’t get any announcement. We know the 333 is due Ee class but didn’t get announced. I think that this is another 366 situation where they’ll have Ees turn up and it just won’t be announced. Ees would do well for AL to keep the garage standardised to Ees, of course they could go for Mes but with the issues facing with them I can’t see GAL being keen for more. I think GAL will only go to others if they simply can’t fit round a route. They don’t seem to be too worried about delivery timescale especially since they already have surplus electrics because infrastructure is taking way longer than deliveries themselves. Your first line is what probably hits the nail on the head - some routes have never had an announcement for what buses have been ordered. The 376 4 new buses, 213, 265 & 366 all didn't have any vehicle ordering announcements so right now, I suspect the 101, 321 & 473 fall into that category as there is past evidence from Go-Ahead in particular of this. The 333 was announced via LOTS so not apart of that pattern but your still absolutely right to mention the lack of announcements for certain routes being normal.
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Post by adl on Jan 19, 2024 14:48:59 GMT
Which suggest this is either part of an order or they simply aren’t announcing all of them. The 366 didn’t get any announcement. We know the 333 is due Ee class but didn’t get announced. I think that this is another 366 situation where they’ll have Ees turn up and it just won’t be announced. Ees would do well for AL to keep the garage standardised to Ees, of course they could go for Mes but with the issues facing with them I can’t see GAL being keen for more. I think GAL will only go to others if they simply can’t fit round a route. They don’t seem to be too worried about delivery timescale especially since they already have surplus electrics because infrastructure is taking way longer than deliveries themselves. Your first line is what probably hits the nail on the head - some routes have never had an announcement for what buses have been ordered. The 376 4 new buses, 213, 265 & 366 all didn't have any vehicle ordering announcements so right now, I suspect the 101, 321 & 473 fall into that category as there is past evidence from Go-Ahead in particular of this. The 333 was announced via LOTS so not apart of that pattern but you’re still absolutely right to mention the lack of announcements for certain routes being normal. Ah I must’ve missed the announcement. I didn’t think the 333 or 321 had an announcement. I know something was mentioned in the Go Ahead thread about both expecting Ees.
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Post by DT 11 on Jan 19, 2024 14:52:35 GMT
Curiosity of LOTS GAL 13 x BYD E200EV 10.9m (SEe 291-303) for 325 (RR) 9 x 9.7m (SEe 304-312) for S2 (A) 16 x 10.9m (SEe 313-328) for 39 (AF) 3 x 9.7m (SEe 329-331) for 439 (C) 4 x 10.9m (SEe 332-335) for 396 (RR) 12 x BYD E400EV-City 10.9m (Ee 263-273) for 262 (DS) TUK (ABELLIO) Electroliners are for: 3048 - 58 route 306 QB 3059 - 85 " 133 " 3086 - 102 " 381 WL 3103 top up for +1 PVR increase on 111 TF Stagecoach the 40 Volvo BZL/MCV deckers for D7, 277 & 58 are to be 86031 - 70 NOT 68xxx. (1-30 already at Cambridge) In relation to the 439. I stand corrected JUNIOR26 you were right.
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Post by M1104 on Jan 19, 2024 14:59:48 GMT
No mention yet on the 131 and 280, which I'm most interested to know. Even the 333, mentioned on LOTS online as getting Ees, is not on the list. I'm keeping an open mind on Goo Ahead dual sourcing, bearing in mind a lot of the bus orders are for existing routes Which suggest this is either part of an order or they simply aren’t announcing all of them. The 366 didn’t get any announcement. We know the 333 is due Ee class but didn’t get announced. I think that this is another 366 situation where they’ll have Ees turn up and it just won’t be announced. Ees would do well for AL to keep the garage standardised to Ees, of course they could go for Mes but with the issues facing with them I can’t see GAL being keen for more. I think GAL will only go to others if they simply can’t fit round a route. They don’t seem to be too worried about delivery timescale especially since they already have surplus electrics because infrastructure is taking way longer than deliveries themselves. If its turns out to be more Ees throughout it will be interesting to see the practicality of the Tooting Broadway bus stand with predominantly 10.9m vehicles. Mind you there's always the availability of the Mitre stand for the 131 if need be under that senario.
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Post by vjaska on Jan 19, 2024 15:00:04 GMT
Your first line is what probably hits the nail on the head - some routes have never had an announcement for what buses have been ordered. The 376 4 new buses, 213, 265 & 366 all didn't have any vehicle ordering announcements so right now, I suspect the 101, 321 & 473 fall into that category as there is past evidence from Go-Ahead in particular of this. The 333 was announced via LOTS so not apart of that pattern but you’re still absolutely right to mention the lack of announcements for certain routes being normal. Ah I must’ve missed the announcement. I didn’t think the 333 or 321 had an announcement. I know something was mentioned in the Go Ahead thread about both expecting Ees. No worries - I also forgot the 157 hasn't had an announcement AFAIK so there is a few for sure.
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Post by M1104 on Jan 19, 2024 15:04:32 GMT
Ah I must’ve missed the announcement. I didn’t think the 333 or 321 had an announcement. I know something was mentioned in the Go Ahead thread about both expecting Ees. No worries - I also forgot the 157 hasn't had an announcement AFAIK so there is a few for sure. This month's LOTS mentions Ee243 to Ee262 for the 157, them said to be the next batch due. Edit: There was an earlier LOTS edition mentioning the route getting them
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Post by vjaska on Jan 19, 2024 15:23:57 GMT
No worries - I also forgot the 157 hasn't had an announcement AFAIK so there is a few for sure. This month's LOTS mentions Ee243 to Ee262 for the 157, them said to be the next batch due. Edit: There was an earlier LOTS edition mentioning the route getting them Thanks, never saw an announcement on here so presumed it hadn't happened
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Post by ilovelondonbuses on Jan 19, 2024 15:40:26 GMT
Curiosity of LOTS GAL 13 x BYD E200EV 10.9m (SEe 291-303) for 325 (RR) 9 x 9.7m (SEe 304-312) for S2 (A) 16 x 10.9m (SEe 313-328) for 39 (AF) 3 x 9.7m (SEe 329-331) for 439 (C) 4 x 10.9m (SEe 332-335) for 396 (RR) 12 x BYD E400EV-City 10.9m (Ee 263-273) for 262 (DS) TUK (ABELLIO) Electroliners are for: 3048 - 58 route 306 QB 3059 - 85 " 133 " 3086 - 102 " 381 WL 3103 top up for +1 PVR increase on 111 TF Stagecoach the 40 Volvo BZL/MCV deckers for D7, 277 & 58 are to be 86031 - 70 NOT 68xxx. (1-30 already at Cambridge) Thank you for the information on these orders. The Go-Ahead and Transport UK sections on the first post of this thread has been updated to reflect these orders. On another note, it looks like with Transport UK are planning to prioritise route 306's conversion to an electric operation before route 133 with its allocated batch numbered and most likely will be delivered before route 133's batch is delivered. I wouldn't be surprised if route 306 goes electric from day one of Transport UK operation in April.
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Post by wirewiper on Jan 19, 2024 16:37:35 GMT
Curiosity of LOTS GAL 13 x BYD E200EV 10.9m (SEe 291-303) for 325 (RR) 9 x 9.7m (SEe 304-312) for S2 (A) 16 x 10.9m (SEe 313-328) for 39 (AF) 3 x 9.7m (SEe 329-331) for 439 (C) 4 x 10.9m (SEe 332-335) for 396 (RR) 12 x BYD E400EV-City 10.9m (Ee 263-273) for 262 (DS) TUK (ABELLIO) Electroliners are for: 3048 - 58 route 306 QB 3059 - 85 " 133 " 3086 - 102 " 381 WL 3103 top up for +1 PVR increase on 111 TF Stagecoach the 40 Volvo BZL/MCV deckers for D7, 277 & 58 are to be 86031 - 70 NOT 68xxx. (1-30 already at Cambridge) Not very clued up with the Abellio allocations but surely the C3 doesn’t need all of 3031-47 so what are the excess from that for if 3059-85 are for the 133 The C3 doesn't - only the first three (3031-3) are for the C3 as a top-up, 3034-47 are for the 363.
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Post by ADH45258 on Jan 19, 2024 16:51:11 GMT
Seems Go Ahead are still sticking with Ees/SEes, at least for now - could change if they are interested in the BZL or integral ADL EVs?
And Abellio are possibly standardising with Wright after ordering some BYDs and Caetanos. I expect they will continue to order some Optares as well though for shorter SDs like the S3, since Wright don't make an equivalent (I wonder why they discontinued the electric Streetlite)?
Most interesting orders now are probably the unannounced Metroline DDs (for the 113, 206, 210, W7 and W8) - whether they go for more WDEs, or follow Stagecoach in switching to the DD BZL? Their SD orders are probably more predictable other than maybe length - particularly whether the busy 143/C11 get 10.8m?
And while nothing is due at the moment, RATP are likely to need to order some new electrics at some point soon, with tender results overdue for quite a lot of their routes. So will be interesting to see whether they stick with more BYDs for standardisation, or choose something else for quicker delivery times? They did recently trial a Streetdeck demo on the 23, maybe they will try to test a BZL as well?
And regardless of operator, I wonder how long it will be until the new E400EV gets a demostrator trialled in London, or even a full batch ordered? I think it was mentioned some Stagecoach examples for outside of London are being built at the moment, though there could be a delay in them becoming available in TFL spec (like with the BZL)? And similarly the E100EV could be a popular option for routes requiring that size, and the longer E200EV when it is eventually introduced?
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Post by SouthLondoner468 on Jan 19, 2024 17:12:07 GMT
Any idea on what’s happened to Ee205-217?
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Post by ilovelondonbuses on Jan 19, 2024 17:17:13 GMT
Not very clued up with the Abellio allocations but surely the C3 doesn’t need all of 3031-47 so what are the excess from that for if 3059-85 are for the 133 The C3 doesn't - only the first three (3031-3) are for the C3 as a top-up, 3034-47 are for the 363. Route 363 is allocated 7 buses (3031-3037) and route C3 is allocated 10 buses (3038-3047).
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Post by YY13VKP on Jan 19, 2024 17:25:23 GMT
Curiosity of LOTS GAL 13 x BYD E200EV 10.9m (SEe 291-303) for 325 (RR) 9 x 9.7m (SEe 304-312) for S2 (A) 16 x 10.9m (SEe 313-328) for 39 (AF) 3 x 9.7m (SEe 329-331) for 439 (C) 4 x 10.9m (SEe 332-335) for 396 (RR) 12 x BYD E400EV-City 10.9m (Ee 263-273) for 262 (DS) TUK (ABELLIO) Electroliners are for: 3048 - 58 route 306 QB 3059 - 85 " 133 " 3086 - 102 " 381 WL 3103 top up for +1 PVR increase on 111 TF Stagecoach the 40 Volvo BZL/MCV deckers for D7, 277 & 58 are to be 86031 - 70 NOT 68xxx. (1-30 already at Cambridge) As I thought, it’s 9.7m SEe’s for the 439 which is good to see! This also appears to confirm it’ll operate with a PVR of 3, no spare being ordered as C have similar E200’s on the 450 of course which will no doubt stray onto the 439. Next question is, how late will their delivery be 😂. They seem quite far down the queue with a little over a month before that and the S2 are introduced so it’ll be interesting to see what covers them should they be delivered late.
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Post by londonbuses on Jan 19, 2024 17:25:33 GMT
Any idea on what’s happened to Ee205-217? They're for the 57, guessing they aren't needed at the moment as the 151's Ees are on the 57.
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Post by londonbuses on Jan 19, 2024 17:26:56 GMT
Curiosity of LOTS GAL 13 x BYD E200EV 10.9m (SEe 291-303) for 325 (RR) 9 x 9.7m (SEe 304-312) for S2 (A) 16 x 10.9m (SEe 313-328) for 39 (AF) 3 x 9.7m (SEe 329-331) for 439 (C) 4 x 10.9m (SEe 332-335) for 396 (RR) 12 x BYD E400EV-City 10.9m (Ee 263-273) for 262 (DS) TUK (ABELLIO) Electroliners are for: 3048 - 58 route 306 QB 3059 - 85 " 133 " 3086 - 102 " 381 WL 3103 top up for +1 PVR increase on 111 TF Stagecoach the 40 Volvo BZL/MCV deckers for D7, 277 & 58 are to be 86031 - 70 NOT 68xxx. (1-30 already at Cambridge) As I thought, it’s 9.7m SEe’s for the 439 which is good to see! This also appears to confirm it’ll operate with a PVR of 3, no spare being ordered as C have similar E200’s on the 450 of course which will no doubt stray onto the 439. Next question is, how late will their delivery be 😂. They seem quite far down the queue with a little over a month before that and the S2 are introduced so it’ll be interesting to see what covers them should they be delivered late. Most likely the 439 will use the 3 SEs freed from the 470 being cut back to Sutton Station, along with some strays of the 450's electrics. I would guess the S2's buses will be prioritised because it will more than likely need its electrics from day one.
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