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Post by southlondon413 on Jan 19, 2024 17:30:52 GMT
As I thought, it’s 9.7m SEe’s for the 439 which is good to see! This also appears to confirm it’ll operate with a PVR of 3, no spare being ordered as C have similar E200’s on the 450 of course which will no doubt stray onto the 439. Next question is, how late will their delivery be 😂. They seem quite far down the queue with a little over a month before that and the S2 are introduced so it’ll be interesting to see what covers them should they be delivered late. Most likely the 439 will use the 3 SEes freed from the 470 being cut back to Sutton Station, along with some strays of the 450's electrics. I would guess the S2's buses will be prioritised because it will more than likely need its electrics from day one. There are also still some small SE floating about from the 346 that could be used. As for the S2 I suspect the OM will get a short term reprise before being cast off to the scrap heap over the summer. That being said it doesn’t seem to be the vehicles causing the delays. The batches for the P12 and 152 have been in Swindon since late November for storage. Given both Sutton and Croydon are already connected it shouldn’t be a problem building out of sequence. The 450s batch entered service well before the 366/D3/265 batches were ready for use. The bigger question is how Sutton will squeeze in 9 buses when it is already, as I understand it, very tight on space. There were comments a few months back the alluded to staff from the iBus control being used as banksmen for the Ee as it’s difficult to manoeuvre them in the small space.
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Post by SouthLondoner468 on Jan 19, 2024 17:33:56 GMT
Any idea on what’s happened to Ee205-217? They're for the 57, guessing they aren't needed at the moment as the 151's Ees are on the 57. I meant more so, where they are? As all Ees up to 204 are in service (besides 99), and Ee218-242 are also in service
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Post by southlondon413 on Jan 19, 2024 17:37:49 GMT
They're for the 57, guessing they aren't needed at the moment as the 151's Ees are on the 57. I meant more so, where they are? As all Ees up to 204 are in service (besides 99), and Ee218-242 are also in service I think someone said they are at MG for storage.
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Post by DT 11 on Jan 19, 2024 17:43:38 GMT
Curiosity of LOTS GAL 13 x BYD E200EV 10.9m (SEe 291-303) for 325 (RR) 9 x 9.7m (SEe 304-312) for S2 (A) 16 x 10.9m (SEe 313-328) for 39 (AF) 3 x 9.7m (SEe 329-331) for 439 (C) 4 x 10.9m (SEe 332-335) for 396 (RR) 12 x BYD E400EV-City 10.9m (Ee 263-273) for 262 (DS) TUK (ABELLIO) Electroliners are for: 3048 - 58 route 306 QB 3059 - 85 " 133 " 3086 - 102 " 381 WL 3103 top up for +1 PVR increase on 111 TF Stagecoach the 40 Volvo BZL/MCV deckers for D7, 277 & 58 are to be 86031 - 70 NOT 68xxx. (1-30 already at Cambridge) As I thought, it’s 9.7m SEe’s for the 439 which is good to see! This also appears to confirm it’ll operate with a PVR of 3, no spare being ordered as C have similar E200’s on the 450 of course which will no doubt stray onto the 439. Next question is, how late will their delivery be 😂. They seem quite far down the queue with a little over a month before that and the S2 are introduced so it’ll be interesting to see what covers them should they be delivered late. The good thing about this the 439 & 450 can share a common type.
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Post by londonbuses on Jan 19, 2024 17:58:28 GMT
The bigger question is how Sutton will squeeze in 9 buses when it is already, as I understand it, very tight on space. There were comments a few months back the alluded to staff from the iBus control being used as banksmen for the Ee as it’s difficult to manoeuvre them in the small space. I still think there might be a plan to temporarily move the 151 to GM until the new Garth Road garage opens (where the 93 will likely move to), with the S1 moving back to C using the space from the withdrawn 455. The fact they haven't even put one more Ee than necessary into service at A, when the 80 could be temporarily fully converted to electrics and the 151 could use an allocation of half WHVs and half DOEs (and there are about 20 Ees sitting around doing nothing: Ee99, 173-176 and all of the 57's batch) leads me to believe there is something stopping this from being done, like a plan to move the 151 out of A. This would also relieve the space issues as you would be moving 16 double deckers out to be replaced by 9 shorter (well not much length difference in comparison to a DOE) single deckers.
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Post by DE20106 on Jan 19, 2024 18:44:45 GMT
Curiosity of LOTS GAL 13 x BYD E200EV 10.9m (SEe 291-303) for 325 (RR) 9 x 9.7m (SEe 304-312) for S2 (A) 16 x 10.9m (SEe 313-328) for 39 (AF) 3 x 9.7m (SEe 329-331) for 439 (C) 4 x 10.9m (SEe 332-335) for 396 (RR) 12 x BYD E400EV-City 10.9m (Ee 263-273) for 262 (DS) TUK (ABELLIO) Electroliners are for: 3048 - 58 route 306 QB 3059 - 85 " 133 " 3086 - 102 " 381 WL 3103 top up for +1 PVR increase on 111 TF Stagecoach the 40 Volvo BZL/MCV deckers for D7, 277 & 58 are to be 86031 - 70 NOT 68xxx. (1-30 already at Cambridge) Interesting that 321 and 473 have not been mentioned. Makes me think Go Ahead will order something else. I think we’ll soon get the answer if more BZLs turn up on top of MVB1, or if it’s in fact a lone demo. It also remains to be seen if the BYDs continue to be ordered by GAL when the new London spec E400EV is ready for order
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Post by DE20106 on Jan 19, 2024 18:52:09 GMT
Curiosity of LOTS GAL 13 x BYD E200EV 10.9m (SEe 291-303) for 325 (RR) 9 x 9.7m (SEe 304-312) for S2 (A) 16 x 10.9m (SEe 313-328) for 39 (AF) 3 x 9.7m (SEe 329-331) for 439 (C) 4 x 10.9m (SEe 332-335) for 396 (RR) 12 x BYD E400EV-City 10.9m (Ee 263-273) for 262 (DS) TUK (ABELLIO) Electroliners are for: 3048 - 58 route 306 QB 3059 - 85 " 133 " 3086 - 102 " 381 WL 3103 top up for +1 PVR increase on 111 TF Stagecoach the 40 Volvo BZL/MCV deckers for D7, 277 & 58 are to be 86031 - 70 NOT 68xxx. (1-30 already at Cambridge) Interesting that no order was confirmed for the 101 or 473. Also 263-273 would only be 11 for the 262, should it be to 274? The 262’s PVR is 10 now it got cut back to Gallions Reach
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2024 21:15:20 GMT
I meant more so, where they are? As all Ees up to 204 are in service (besides 99), and Ee218-242 are also in service I think someone said they are at MG for storage. They've been delayed due to the December holiday period and strikes at ADL Falkirk, MG doesn't have the space to store buses anymore, hence the SEes for the 152 and P12 have piled into Swindon
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Post by enviroPB on Jan 19, 2024 21:32:55 GMT
I wonder if there may be an issue with 10.9m buses on both routes. The turn on the 473 turning left out of the Woolwich Ferry can be quite tight and the 101 might run into a few issues in Wanstead. The 262 comparatively is a relatively straight route. However the 473 saw 10.8m Scanias. I also wonder if the 101 may be put further back on the Ee conversions due to being a retain rather then an award. Considering GAL didn't refurbish the 101's original allocation (WVL468-480) for the first contract term & replaced that allocation for their contract extension with older Es which also weren't refurbished, I'm not holding my breath for Ees on the route anytime soon.
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Post by enviroPB on Jan 19, 2024 21:38:18 GMT
Curiosity of LOTS GAL 13 x BYD E200EV 10.9m (SEe 291-303) for 325 (RR) 9 x 9.7m (SEe 304-312) for S2 (A) 16 x 10.9m (SEe 313-328) for 39 (AF) 3 x 9.7m (SEe 329-331) for 439 (C) 4 x 10.9m (SEe 332-335) for 396 (RR) 12 x BYD E400EV-City 10.9m (Ee 263-273) for 262 (DS)TUK (ABELLIO) Electroliners are for: 3048 - 58 route 306 QB 3059 - 85 " 133 " 3086 - 102 " 381 WL 3103 top up for +1 PVR increase on 111 TF Stagecoach the 40 Volvo BZL/MCV deckers for D7, 277 & 58 are to be 86031 - 70 NOT 68xxx. (1-30 already at Cambridge) Ooph, so close to Ee262 being on the 262! I'm sure it would've kept the Ee69 on the 69 company!!
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Post by southlondonbus on Jan 19, 2024 21:46:40 GMT
Curiosity of LOTS GAL 13 x BYD E200EV 10.9m (SEe 291-303) for 325 (RR) 9 x 9.7m (SEe 304-312) for S2 (A) 16 x 10.9m (SEe 313-328) for 39 (AF) 3 x 9.7m (SEe 329-331) for 439 (C) 4 x 10.9m (SEe 332-335) for 396 (RR) 12 x BYD E400EV-City 10.9m (Ee 263-273) for 262 (DS)TUK (ABELLIO) Electroliners are for: 3048 - 58 route 306 QB 3059 - 85 " 133 " 3086 - 102 " 381 WL 3103 top up for +1 PVR increase on 111 TF Stagecoach the 40 Volvo BZL/MCV deckers for D7, 277 & 58 are to be 86031 - 70 NOT 68xxx. (1-30 already at Cambridge) Ooph, so close to Ee262 being on the 262! I'm sure it would've kept the Ee69 on the 69 company!! What route are the Ee number previous to Ee263 for? The 333 or Will those come after Ee273?
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Post by londonbuses on Jan 19, 2024 21:47:49 GMT
Ooph, so close to Ee262 being on the 262! I'm sure it would've kept the Ee69 on the 69 company!! What route are the Ee number previous to Ee263 for? The 333 or Will those come after Ee273? They're for the 157, presumably the 333's will come after the 262. I guess GAL aren't rushing on the 333's electrics as it will be a while until SW is electrified.
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Post by southlondonbus on Jan 19, 2024 22:01:23 GMT
What route are the Ee number previous to Ee263 for? The 333 or Will those come after Ee273? They're for the 157, presumably the 333's will come after the 262. I guess GAL aren't rushing on the 333's electrics as it will be a while until SW is electrified. That's for the clarification. I have to admit iv completely lost track now of what routes each batch was for and if they have been delivered now. If the 151 used them from the start would the batch for the 213 and part 57 have now been delivered?
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Post by londonbuses on Jan 19, 2024 22:06:57 GMT
They're for the 157, presumably the 333's will come after the 262. I guess GAL aren't rushing on the 333's electrics as it will be a while until SW is electrified. That's for the clarification. I have to admit iv completely lost track now of what routes each batch was for and if they have been delivered now. If the 151 used them from the start would the batch for the 213 and part 57 have now been delivered? The 213's batch (Ee172-186) are mostly being temporarily used at AL on the 57 (Ee180-186), with two at A (Ee178 and 179) covering for the missing two from the 80's batch, one at Q (Ee172) in a Windrush livery, and four which havent entered service yet (Ee173-176). These would presumably all be at A if the 151 was able to use Ees.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2024 22:13:35 GMT
They're for the 157, presumably the 333's will come after the 262. I guess GAL aren't rushing on the 333's electrics as it will be a while until SW is electrified. That's for the clarification. I have to admit iv completely lost track now of what routes each batch was for and if they have been delivered now. If the 151 used them from the start would the batch for the 213 and part 57 have now been delivered? Ee172-186 was ordered for the 213 contract but the 213 instead received the 151 batch (Ee129-144.) Ee177-178 are at A for the 80 due to Ee99 & 100 arriving late, Ee100 is at AL covering for Ee183 which is VOR, Ee186 is also VOR, the remainder of Ee179-186 are in use on the 57 Ee172 was selected by GAL to be wrapped by TfL for a carnival float, so is still at Q meaning they have an extra bus. There's currently Ee99 and 173-176 in storage. Ee205-217 was ordered for the 57, Ee243-262 for the 157
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