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Post by vjaska on Nov 1, 2020 15:04:25 GMT
For what it’s worth, my understanding via the company I work for is that there is no intention to scale back bus services in the same way as happened in the first lockdown. Obviously, it’s a fluid situation and could change but certainly there won’t be any wholesale changes on Thursday Hopefully, that remains the case, can’t see any logic in reducing bus services at all. |
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Post by Paul on Nov 1, 2020 15:10:32 GMT
For what it’s worth, my understanding via the company I work for is that there is no intention to scale back bus services in the same way as happened in the first lockdown. Obviously, it’s a fluid situation and could change but certainly there won’t be any wholesale changes on Thursday Hopefully, that remains the case, can’t see any logic in reducing bus services at all. I’m currently on holiday but am due back on dead lates. I just finished a week on dead lates and my final two rounders on the 246 were completed with very minimal interruption by passengers! I’m assuming it will be even quieter when I go back - it already seems a waste to run the 246 so late at night. Indeed, other drivers were saying similar things about the 61, B14 and R7. I do think there’s a case for looking at evening running. It doesn’t seem particularly cost effective to be running services when there are so few people using them |
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Post by vjaska on Nov 1, 2020 16:03:43 GMT
Hopefully, that remains the case, can’t see any logic in reducing bus services at all. I’m currently on holiday but am due back on dead lates. I just finished a week on dead lates and my final two rounders on the 246 were completed with very minimal interruption by passengers! I’m assuming it will be even quieter when I go back - it already seems a waste to run the 246 so late at night. Indeed, other drivers were saying similar things about the 61, B14 and R7. I do think there’s a case for looking at evening running. It doesn’t seem particularly cost effective to be running services when there are so few people using them Yeah I can understand amending late evenings until things pick back up but it’s the argument about reducing services during other times that seems illogical to amend in a pandemic. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2020 16:06:05 GMT
I’m currently on holiday but am due back on dead lates. I just finished a week on dead lates and my final two rounders on the 246 were completed with very minimal interruption by passengers! I’m assuming it will be even quieter when I go back - it already seems a waste to run the 246 so late at night. Indeed, other drivers were saying similar things about the 61, B14 and R7. I do think there’s a case for looking at evening running. It doesn’t seem particularly cost effective to be running services when there are so few people using them Yeah I can understand amending late evenings until things pick back up but it’s the argument about reducing services during other times that seems illogical to amend in a pandemic. I agree and not sure if my suggest was clear in another post, I think there is some opportunity to reduce services in the evenings during the lockdown and also possibly the X68. |
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Post by vjaska on Nov 1, 2020 16:08:47 GMT
Yeah I can understand amending late evenings until things pick back up but it’s the argument about reducing services during other times that seems illogical to amend in a pandemic. I agree and not sure if my suggest was clear in another post, I think there is some opportunity to reduce services in the evenings during the lockdown and also possibly the X68. I saw your post and it wasn’t aimed at that, think someone else suggested to cut services in general which I cannot understand anyone would do during current times. |
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Post by greenboy on Nov 1, 2020 17:21:39 GMT
Hopefully, that remains the case, can’t see any logic in reducing bus services at all. I’m currently on holiday but am due back on dead lates. I just finished a week on dead lates and my final two rounders on the 246 were completed with very minimal interruption by passengers! I’m assuming it will be even quieter when I go back - it already seems a waste to run the 246 so late at night. Indeed, other drivers were saying similar things about the 61, B14 and R7. I do think there’s a case for looking at evening running. It doesn’t seem particularly cost effective to be running services when there are so few people using them I agree completely and there were plenty of empty buses around Orpington in the evening before covid. Maybe extend the 261 from PRU to Chislehurst in the evening and no need for the 61? The R6 is another one that seems to carry little more than fresh air after 7pm. |
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Post by vjaska on Nov 1, 2020 17:28:03 GMT
I’m currently on holiday but am due back on dead lates. I just finished a week on dead lates and my final two rounders on the 246 were completed with very minimal interruption by passengers! I’m assuming it will be even quieter when I go back - it already seems a waste to run the 246 so late at night. Indeed, other drivers were saying similar things about the 61, B14 and R7. I do think there’s a case for looking at evening running. It doesn’t seem particularly cost effective to be running services when there are so few people using them I agree completely and there were plenty of empty buses around Orpington in the evening before covid. Maybe extend the 261 from PRU to Chislehurst in the evening and no need for the 61? The R6 is another one that seems to carry little more than fresh air after 7pm. idea is better and keeps things simple rather than start extending routes to withdraw others. I’d suggest a cut off time of around 10:30pm for those routes again keeping it simple for when the lockdown ceases and the 10pm kicking out time likely returns. |
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Post by Paul on Nov 1, 2020 21:20:37 GMT
I’m currently on holiday but am due back on dead lates. I just finished a week on dead lates and my final two rounders on the 246 were completed with very minimal interruption by passengers! I’m assuming it will be even quieter when I go back - it already seems a waste to run the 246 so late at night. Indeed, other drivers were saying similar things about the 61, B14 and R7. I do think there’s a case for looking at evening running. It doesn’t seem particularly cost effective to be running services when there are so few people using them I agree completely and there were plenty of empty buses around Orpington in the evening before covid. Maybe extend the 261 from PRU to Chislehurst in the evening and no need for the 61? The R6 is another one that seems to carry little more than fresh air after 7pm. But the point was that little to no people are using the 61 so there seems little point in covering it with the 261 - although I do understand the desire to maintain the link to the PRU I’m unsure if the 10pm curfew is to return at the end of lockdown (I’m not convinced it will be lifted on December 2nd) but it seems to me that buses in the evening essentially cater for the hospitality industry. If that industry is closed down at 10pm then running buses late into the evening just seems like a huge waste of money I’d be very interested to know what ridership numbers are like on the night buses either through official figures or observed experiences |
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Post by redbus on Nov 1, 2020 22:06:49 GMT
I agree completely and there were plenty of empty buses around Orpington in the evening before covid. Maybe extend the 261 from PRU to Chislehurst in the evening and no need for the 61? The R6 is another one that seems to carry little more than fresh air after 7pm. But the point was that little to no people are using the 61 so there seems little point in covering it with the 261 - although I do understand the desire to maintain the link to the PRU I’m unsure if the 10pm curfew is to return at the end of lockdown (I’m not convinced it will be lifted on December 2nd) but it seems to me that buses in the evening essentially cater for the hospitality industry. If that industry is closed down at 10pm then running buses late into the evening just seems like a huge waste of money I’d be very interested to know what ridership numbers are like on the night buses either through official figures or observed experiences There are other essential workers who might use buses late at night, such as police, hospital workers and so on. |
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Post by vjaska on Nov 1, 2020 23:08:26 GMT
But the point was that little to no people are using the 61 so there seems little point in covering it with the 261 - although I do understand the desire to maintain the link to the PRU I’m unsure if the 10pm curfew is to return at the end of lockdown (I’m not convinced it will be lifted on December 2nd) but it seems to me that buses in the evening essentially cater for the hospitality industry. If that industry is closed down at 10pm then running buses late into the evening just seems like a huge waste of money I’d be very interested to know what ridership numbers are like on the night buses either through official figures or observed experiences There are other essential workers who might use buses late at night, such as police, hospital workers and so on. Indeed although I don't think he was suggesting it was a one fits all policy across every route but rather a case by case basis |
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Post by galwhv69 on Nov 2, 2020 15:17:38 GMT
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Post by ServerKing on Nov 3, 2020 2:33:27 GMT
I wonder if TfL will stop insisting that all new bus tenders must be electric or hybrid, given the costs for required infrastructure, or if they can finally ditch traditional blinds (with long lead times, and expensive to make) for the now proven LEDs? Something tells me this bailout money will go in the blink of an eye before 6 months is up, especially if theres an extension of Lockdown  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2020 8:12:42 GMT
I wonder if TfL will stop insisting that all new bus tenders must be electric or hybrid, given the costs for required infrastructure, or if they can finally ditch traditional blinds (with long lead times, and expensive to make) for the now proven LEDs? Something tells me this bailout money will go in the blink of an eye before 6 months is up, especially if theres an extension of Lockdown I see on BBC London last night that TfL also need to fund a ferry across the Thames at Hammersmith too as part of the deal! That won't be cheap! |
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Post by wirewiper on Nov 3, 2020 9:36:13 GMT
I wonder if TfL will stop insisting that all new bus tenders must be electric or hybrid, given the costs for required infrastructure, or if they can finally ditch traditional blinds (with long lead times, and expensive to make) for the now proven LEDs? Something tells me this bailout money will go in the blink of an eye before 6 months is up, especially if theres an extension of Lockdown I see on BBC London last night that TfL also need to fund a ferry across the Thames at Hammersmith too as part of the deal! That won't be cheap! Especially as it will have to run at reduced capacity to allow for social distancing .... |
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Post by southlondonbus on Nov 3, 2020 11:49:44 GMT
And I doubt the ferry will make a penny in revenue.
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