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Post by vjaska on Jun 16, 2022 18:01:14 GMT
It will be another Lastminute.com rescue, though DfT should take over and run TfL if Khan clearly can't. You can see ridership tailing off on the buses already, and industrial action won't endear anyone considering public transport in London in the near future. They were considering the per-mile charging which would be a disaster. It would need some sort of dongle fitted to the car (and no doubt some sort of subscription fee) a series of beacons or GPS and will need to be foolproof and not vulnerable to hackers who could manipulate figures and mileage. I am just thinking of every last rouble and kopek they are they are going to squeeze from Joe Public if Khan gets his way (more will work from home in protest or just not pay up)... It's going to be a mess. Perhaps we need a Year of The Bust festival in Regent Street to show people what buses looked like (before TfL collapsed ) If the DfT take over, the cuts will be far worse than now - I don’t get why anyone would want this to happen no matter how bad Khan is?
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Post by WH241 on Jun 16, 2022 19:19:09 GMT
It will be another Lastminute.com rescue, though DfT should take over and run TfL if Khan clearly can't. You can see ridership tailing off on the buses already, and industrial action won't endear anyone considering public transport in London in the near future. They were considering the per-mile charging which would be a disaster. It would need some sort of dongle fitted to the car (and no doubt some sort of subscription fee) a series of beacons or GPS and will need to be foolproof and not vulnerable to hackers who could manipulate figures and mileage. I am just thinking of every last rouble and kopek they are they are going to squeeze from Joe Public if Khan gets his way (more will work from home in protest or just not pay up)... It's going to be a mess. Perhaps we need a Year of The Bust festival in Regent Street to show people what buses looked like (before TfL collapsed ) If the DfT take over, the cuts will be far worse than now - I don’t get why anyone would want this to happen no matter how bad Khan is? No one wants cuts but something has to give somewhere! TfL will still need to make savings even if / when a deal is done. From comments I read here and elsewhere people are getting very worked up over the latest sets of cut and seem to think if a deal is done all those routes will be saved. TfL has no interest in historic links its been told to make savings and this is what its trying to do.
I sometimes wonder if it would be better if DfT could take over and take buses back in house like they have with some train companies. I know this won't happen!
I am not trying to have a go at anyone or anything but there is talk of another 10% cuts being needed so people should be prepared.
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Post by yunus on Jun 16, 2022 20:38:02 GMT
It will be another Lastminute.com rescue, though DfT should take over and run TfL if Khan clearly can't. You can see ridership tailing off on the buses already, and industrial action won't endear anyone considering public transport in London in the near future. They were considering the per-mile charging which would be a disaster. It would need some sort of dongle fitted to the car (and no doubt some sort of subscription fee) a series of beacons or GPS and will need to be foolproof and not vulnerable to hackers who could manipulate figures and mileage. I am just thinking of every last rouble and kopek they are they are going to squeeze from Joe Public if Khan gets his way (more will work from home in protest or just not pay up)... It's going to be a mess. Perhaps we need a Year of The Bust festival in Regent Street to show people what buses looked like (before TfL collapsed ) If the DfT take over, the cuts will be far worse than now - I don’t get why anyone would want this to happen no matter how bad Khan is? Care to elaborate? How will cuts be a lot worse just curious. I do see the DFT takingover but with improvements to come along with a mass amount of new EVs in a shorter space of time.
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Post by SILENCED on Jun 16, 2022 20:51:45 GMT
It will be another Lastminute.com rescue, though DfT should take over and run TfL if Khan clearly can't. You can see ridership tailing off on the buses already, and industrial action won't endear anyone considering public transport in London in the near future. They were considering the per-mile charging which would be a disaster. It would need some sort of dongle fitted to the car (and no doubt some sort of subscription fee) a series of beacons or GPS and will need to be foolproof and not vulnerable to hackers who could manipulate figures and mileage. I am just thinking of every last rouble and kopek they are they are going to squeeze from Joe Public if Khan gets his way (more will work from home in protest or just not pay up)... It's going to be a mess. Perhaps we need a Year of The Bust festival in Regent Street to show people what buses looked like (before TfL collapsed ) If the DfT take over, the cuts will be far worse than now - I don’t get why anyone would want this to happen no matter how bad Khan is? I think it will get better, at least in the short term to highlight Khan's deficiencies and inefficiencies. They will play and use all the political cards.
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Post by WH241 on Jun 16, 2022 21:09:07 GMT
If the DfT take over, the cuts will be far worse than now - I don’t get why anyone would want this to happen no matter how bad Khan is? Care to elaborate? How will cuts be a lot worse just curious. I do see the DFT takingover but with improvements to come along with a mass amount of new EVs in a shorter space of time. Where is the money for all these EVs coming from? Who’s going to build all these buses in this short space of time? Bus builder have lots of buses on order from operators outside of London.
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Post by ServerKing on Jun 16, 2022 21:48:39 GMT
It will be another Lastminute.com rescue, though DfT should take over and run TfL if Khan clearly can't. You can see ridership tailing off on the buses already, and industrial action won't endear anyone considering public transport in London in the near future. They were considering the per-mile charging which would be a disaster. It would need some sort of dongle fitted to the car (and no doubt some sort of subscription fee) a series of beacons or GPS and will need to be foolproof and not vulnerable to hackers who could manipulate figures and mileage. I am just thinking of every last rouble and kopek they are they are going to squeeze from Joe Public if Khan gets his way (more will work from home in protest or just not pay up)... It's going to be a mess. Perhaps we need a Year of The Bust festival in Regent Street to show people what buses looked like (before TfL collapsed ) If the DfT take over, the cuts will be far worse than now - I don’t get why anyone would want this to happen no matter how bad Khan is? It may seem drastic, but if your child was struggling in a failing school, and there was an academy that could take over but there may be sacrifices such as no after school clubs for a while and cutting unnecessary waste from the menu, with the chance your child could thrive in a school year, wouldn't you take the chance? TfL is that school on "special measures", there's a lot of ancillary stuff that could be trimmed back, and it could be run, as the name on the tin says, providing transport for London, namely bus, tube, Overground including Crossrail rather than worrying for red routes, trunk roads (which could go back to councils / GLA ), river services, bridges (fiasco over Hammersmith Bridge is costing a pretty penny), the Emirates Cable car to Nowhere spring to mind, not even covering waste within IT deployment, constantly changing outsourcing services, real estate (move from City Hall was unnecessary) along with a myriad of buildings such as Palestra, Windsor House, Victoria Station House, 172 Buckingham Palace Road etc which could be streamlined. The Government can find money down the back of the settee when they want to, Boris knows the strain on power (not just his own political woes, but on National Grid after Ukraine and Russia) so all this talk of a boom in electric buses (hopefully not like the boom at Potters Bar a few weeks ago) is taken with a pinch of salt like his mumbling and Latin phrases Something has to give, I don't wish ill of TfL but if you run any public body like Zimbabwe you will run into trouble. Khan running about in a Range Rover Vogue whilst the villagers starve is not a good look. All these cuts to bus services have been done haphazardly, it's not adapting to people's bus use when routes like the 4 (still heavily used like the 271 and 349) suddenly go...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2022 23:01:37 GMT
If I were Mr Johnson I would be doing all I possibly can to make Sadiq Khan the villain. I would not be surprised if the cuts go ahead, strikes go ahead and things generally get pretty awful over the next two years, but then …. In the run up to the general election, suddenly an about turn and plans laid out for DfT to take over TfL with the promise of all sorts of new schemes ( some gimmicky improvements made before election )
It would suit the tories well for London to suffer, with Khan being blamed for unnecessary expenses and being unable to control transport ( or crime )
Khan goes on about many things and basically nothing changes.Including his suits.
In some of Londons transport and policing - staff are leaving in droves. The next few years will be dire.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jun 16, 2022 23:16:39 GMT
The reason for the succession of bailouts was because the course of the virus - and the political, economic and social reactions to it - changed and evolved over time. Don't forget we were slow into the first lockdown and the government seemed to think we would be back to normal after twelve weeks. Outside London bus operators are still able to receive Bus Recovery Grant until October, this having been extended from April due to the discovery of the extent of the Omicron variant. We have a Transport Secretary who really is not on top of his brief, and probably distracted at the moment by the crises in the rail and airline industries. He doesn't care about Londoners and TfL. The first part may be true and I'm inclined to agree on that, but specifically the past couple months compared to the past 2 years have shown bailouts to be somewhat constant. Other sectors like aviation for example haven't seen the same kind of treatment. It's fair to comment that on all counts, not supporting a body like TfL would be a foolish move on the government's part. Crippling TfL is in effect stifling growth for the country. We all know about subpar management in the past few years, things have turned around of course. Still, no need to punish TfL, and in turn customers, in the present because of the past. Before covid TfL were starting to run into financial problems, I do not think all of it was made public. This was in part down to Crossrail running late and excessive amount of pathetic urban realm getting rid of roundabouts and one-way system schemes
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jun 16, 2022 23:21:05 GMT
The DfT's ultimate goal is to oust Khan and run TfL (and transport in general across the UK) into the ground to echo what the rest of the government is currently doing in many parts of it's policies in other sectors. But first, they need to make it all look like it's solely Khan's fault (he takes a chunk of the blame, not 100% despite my dislike for him) and exonerate themselves from any blame Boris style by lying. As you can tell, some others on here have completely fallen for the bait Kahn is making it easy for them to do. Not getting involved in the latest tube strikes, going as far as to say the unions share common goals with him to get more funding. Goading rebel tories into pushing the government for more funding, spending £34k on an unnecessary trip to LA. Wading into issues at a national level far beyond his pay grade and generally making himself look like an incompetent baboon. I think the £34k came from the mayor of London office, not TfL, which they are allowed to spend on things promoting London, which he did...
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jun 16, 2022 23:29:53 GMT
It will be another Lastminute.com rescue, though DfT should take over and run TfL if Khan clearly can't. You can see ridership tailing off on the buses already, and industrial action won't endear anyone considering public transport in London in the near future. They were considering the per-mile charging which would be a disaster. It would need some sort of dongle fitted to the car (and no doubt some sort of subscription fee) a series of beacons or GPS and will need to be foolproof and not vulnerable to hackers who could manipulate figures and mileage. I am just thinking of every last rouble and kopek they are they are going to squeeze from Joe Public if Khan gets his way (more will work from home in protest or just not pay up)... It's going to be a mess. Perhaps we need a Year of The Bust festival in Regent Street to show people what buses looked like (before TfL collapsed ) If the DfT take over, the cuts will be far worse than now - I don’t get why anyone would want this to happen no matter how bad Khan is? I cannot see the DfT taking over. It would cost more, take too much time and would not solve anything. The only way I could see the DfT taking over is if the whole GLA system is scrapped.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jun 16, 2022 23:33:15 GMT
If the DfT take over, the cuts will be far worse than now - I don’t get why anyone would want this to happen no matter how bad Khan is? It may seem drastic, but if your child was struggling in a failing school, and there was an academy that could take over but there may be sacrifices such as no after school clubs for a while and cutting unnecessary waste from the menu, with the chance your child could thrive in a school year, wouldn't you take the chance? TfL is that school on "special measures", there's a lot of ancillary stuff that could be trimmed back, and it could be run, as the name on the tin says, providing transport for London, namely bus, tube, Overground including Crossrail rather than worrying for red routes, trunk roads (which could go back to councils / GLA ), river services, bridges (fiasco over Hammersmith Bridge is costing a pretty penny), the Emirates Cable car to Nowhere spring to mind, not even covering waste within IT deployment, constantly changing outsourcing services, real estate (move from City Hall was unnecessary) along with a myriad of buildings such as Palestra, Windsor House, Victoria Station House, 172 Buckingham Palace Road etc which could be streamlined. The Government can find money down the back of the settee when they want to, Boris knows the strain on power (not just his own political woes, but on National Grid after Ukraine and Russia) so all this talk of a boom in electric buses (hopefully not like the boom at Potters Bar a few weeks ago) is taken with a pinch of salt like his mumbling and Latin phrases Something has to give, I don't wish ill of TfL but if you run any public body like Zimbabwe you will run into trouble. Khan running about in a Range Rover Vogue whilst the villagers starve is not a good look. All these cuts to bus services have been done haphazardly, it's not adapting to people's bus use when routes like the 4 (still heavily used like the 271 and 349) suddenly go... LMFAO
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jun 16, 2022 23:37:09 GMT
If I were Mr Johnson I would be doing all I possibly can to make Sadiq Khan the villain. I would not be surprised if the cuts go ahead, strikes go ahead and things generally get pretty awful over the next two years, but then …. In the run up to the general election, suddenly an about turn and plans laid out for DfT to take over TfL with the promise of all sorts of new schemes ( some gimmicky improvements made before election ) It would suit the tories well for London to suffer, with Khan being blamed for unnecessary expenses and being unable to control transport ( or crime ) Khan goes on about many things and basically nothing changes.Including his suits. In some of Londons transport and policing - staff are leaving in droves. The next few years will be dire. A lot of the police feel he threw Cresida manhood under the bus (no pun intended) imagine that from the son of a bus driver. It also is a strange one there has not been a waiting list of officers willing to replace Cresida
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jun 16, 2022 23:40:24 GMT
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Post by vjaska on Jun 17, 2022 0:29:42 GMT
If the DfT take over, the cuts will be far worse than now - I don’t get why anyone would want this to happen no matter how bad Khan is? No one wants cuts but something has to give somewhere! TfL will still need to make savings even if / when a deal is done. From comments I read here and elsewhere people are getting very worked up over the latest sets of cut and seem to think if a deal is done all those routes will be saved. TfL has no interest in historic links its been told to make savings and this is what its trying to do.
I sometimes wonder if it would be better if DfT could take over and take buses back in house like they have with some train companies. I know this won't happen!
I am not trying to have a go at anyone or anything but there is talk of another 10% cuts being needed so people should be prepared.
Who anything about a deal and saving routes? All I said is if the DfT takes over, it will be even worse than what it is now - please enlighten me how it would be better? With all due respect, it would be also great, eluding to your replies elsewhere, if you respect that people are entitled to be unhappy and can voice their disgust and concern with cuts regardless of whether they are needed or happening instead of telling people they should just roll over and accept it - everyone is free to make their minds up about it.
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Post by vjaska on Jun 17, 2022 0:31:22 GMT
If the DfT take over, the cuts will be far worse than now - I don’t get why anyone would want this to happen no matter how bad Khan is? I cannot see the DfT taking over. It would cost more, take too much time and would not solve anything. The only way I could see the DfT taking over is if the whole GLA system is scrapped. That's why I say if because it's not certain but equally, it's something that I could see eventually happening and some on here seem to think we'll end up in the land of Utopia
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