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Post by vjaska on Nov 13, 2023 16:43:06 GMT
The 57 today have deckers from six different fleet codes; WVN, WVL, WHV, WSD, E and Ee. This is baring in mind the WVL and WVN are the same model...the latter new to Firstbus. For this scenario it's a pity an Me isn't on route to make it seven. Going into specifics, the WHV (Gemini 2 and 3) are two different types as are the E (Trident and E40D). The takeover from RATP like forever ago when E151 and the Tridents were able to cover the whole route. I think that depends on preference - the WHV's are not two different types to me as both are Gemini bodied and both are B5LH's & you can argue similar for the E's.
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Post by abellion on Nov 13, 2023 18:00:32 GMT
Going into specifics, the WHV (Gemini 2 and 3) are two different types as are the E (Trident and E40D). The takeover from RATP like forever ago when E151 and the Tridents were able to cover the whole route. I think that depends on preference - the WHV's are not two different types to me as both are Gemini bodied and both are B5LH's & you can argue similar for the E's. Fair enough, I just consider them slightly different because their bodywork and/or engines are different and, for the B5LHs especially, they sound different. Going off of fleet codes there are of course only 6
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Post by mb171 on Nov 15, 2023 21:50:45 GMT
Not sure if this has been mentioned before but Baker Street is probably the area where the most routes use EvoSetis (which btw is my favourite bus type).
Routes 13, 30, 74, 113, 274 all use EvoSeti buses. Also the EvoSetis are from 3 different companies - RATP Group, Metroline and Go-Ahead London - would've been even better if Stagecoach had joined the party - if the 205 ever transferred to LI and it had an EvoSeti working, then it would be possible and would introduce the 4th and final operator that uses EvoSetis into the area🤣
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Post by mb171 on Nov 16, 2023 6:36:59 GMT
question - which area/borough in London on average has the oldest buses?
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Post by borneobus on Nov 16, 2023 13:05:12 GMT
question - which area/borough in London on average has the oldest buses? Good question and not easy to answer; you should raise a FOI with TfL! My immediate thought is Havering...Why? Three principal garages (GY/NS/RM) serving borough all with ‘old’ buses: GY – 2009 DW ops 66 & 370 NS – 2011/2012 Enviro 400 10*** / 19*** ops 86/127/247/256/294 and a few old Enviro 200s on the 296 RM - 2011/2012 Enviro 400 10*** / 19*** ops 252/256/287/365/496 plus 'old' 2013 NRMs on the 248 Even when offset with 2020 vintage electrics on the 174, 2018 400 MMCs on the 372 and 2018 200 MMCs at both NS & RM I reckon the average age of bus is 10 years old. Any others??
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Post by SILENCED on Nov 16, 2023 13:15:27 GMT
question - which area/borough in London on average has the oldest buses? Good question and not easy to answer; you should raise a FOI with TfL! My immediate thought is Havering...Why? Three principal garages (GY/NS/RM) serving borough all with ‘old’ buses: GY – 2009 DW ops 66 & 370 NS – 2011/2012 Enviro 400 10*** / 19*** ops 86/127/247/256/294 and a few old Enviro 200s on the 296 RM - 2011/2012 Enviro 400 10*** / 19*** ops 252/256/287/365/496 Even when offset with 2020 vintage electrics on the 174, 2018 400 MMCs on the 372 and 2018 200 MMCs at both NS & RM I reckon the average age of bus is 10 years old. Any others?? You do realise with FOI they only have to supply the information if they have it to hand. They are under no obligation to crunch data to provide the info you require. They could say they publish the raw data via the bus audit report from which you can calculate the figures.
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Post by borneobus on Nov 16, 2023 13:17:51 GMT
Good question and not easy to answer; you should raise a FOI with TfL! My immediate thought is Havering...Why? Three principal garages (GY/NS/RM) serving borough all with ‘old’ buses: GY – 2009 DW ops 66 & 370 NS – 2011/2012 Enviro 400 10*** / 19*** ops 86/127/247/256/294 and a few old Enviro 200s on the 296 RM - 2011/2012 Enviro 400 10*** / 19*** ops 252/256/287/365/496 Even when offset with 2020 vintage electrics on the 174, 2018 400 MMCs on the 372 and 2018 200 MMCs at both NS & RM I reckon the average age of bus is 10 years old. Any others?? You do realise with FOI they only have to supply the information if they have it to hand. They are under no obligation to crunch data to provide the info you require. They could say they publish the raw data via the bus audit report from which you can calculate the figures. Yes I do. It was a tongue-in-cheek, flippant comment hence use of the exclamation mark.
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Post by SW88 on Nov 16, 2023 21:46:41 GMT
If the 220 were to be extended down Battersea Park, it would meet with all the “37” routes: 37, 137, 237 and 337.
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Post by kmkcheng on Nov 16, 2023 22:17:54 GMT
If the 220 were to be extended down Battersea Park, it would meet with all the “37” routes: 37, 137, 237 and 337. Shame it doesn’t meet the H37 as that would make it a better achievement
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Post by DT 11 on Nov 16, 2023 23:23:04 GMT
Park Lane I have noticed has the most routes serving it with routes terminating at bus garages
2 6 23 36 74 137
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Post by ronnie on Nov 17, 2023 10:58:05 GMT
Park Lane I have noticed has the most routes serving it with routes terminating at bus garages 2 6 23 36 74 137 Don’t forget 52 and 98 at the lower and upper end respectively
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Post by DT 11 on Nov 17, 2023 11:03:12 GMT
Park Lane I have noticed has the most routes serving it with routes terminating at bus garages 2 6 23 36 74 137 Don’t forget 52 and 98 at the lower and upper end respectively I thought about that but your suggestion is incorrect. I would not include either because they do not serve the full length of Park Lane 98/N98 does not even have a bus stop on Park Lane. The 52 serves Grosvener Place not Park Lane...
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Post by redexpress on Nov 17, 2023 11:07:58 GMT
Park Lane I have noticed has the most routes serving it with routes terminating at bus garages 2 6 23 36 74 137 There seems to be a tradition of routes terminating at Victoria at one end, and at their home garage (or very close to it) at the other end. In recent years we've had the 6 (AC), 8 (BW), 16 (W), 52 (AC), 73 (AR), 82 (FY) and 507 (RA). Could add the C1 (S) when it terminated at Shepherd's Bush Green. The 390 (HT) comes close too.
At one point every day route starting from the bus station terminated at its home garage except for the 38 (and even the 38 had scheduled short workings to CT for a while).
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Post by wirewiper on Nov 17, 2023 13:38:39 GMT
Park Lane I have noticed has the most routes serving it with routes terminating at bus garages 2 6 23 36 74 137 There seems to be a tradition of routes terminating at Victoria at one end, and at their home garage (or very close to it) at the other end. In recent years we've had the 6 (AC), 8 (BW), 16 (W), 52 (AC), 73 (AR), 82 (FY) and 507 (RA). Could add the C1 (S) when it terminated at Shepherd's Bush Green. The 390 (HT) comes close too.
At one point every day route starting from the bus station terminated at its home garage except for the 38 (and even the 38 had scheduled short workings to CT for a while).
Strictly speaking, the regular terminus of the 73 has always been Stoke Newington and only garage journeys operated to AR - however in the latter years of Routemaster operation there were so many of these that it felt like a regular service. The Sunday service however did operate to and from Stamford Hill (SF) from June 1990 until September 2004 when the route converted to bendybus and this was the full Sunday service, not just garage journeys.
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Post by redexpress on Nov 17, 2023 20:40:42 GMT
There seems to be a tradition of routes terminating at Victoria at one end, and at their home garage (or very close to it) at the other end. In recent years we've had the 6 (AC), 8 (BW), 16 (W), 52 (AC), 73 (AR), 82 (FY) and 507 (RA). Could add the C1 (S) when it terminated at Shepherd's Bush Green. The 390 (HT) comes close too.
At one point every day route starting from the bus station terminated at its home garage except for the 38 (and even the 38 had scheduled short workings to CT for a while).
Strictly speaking, the regular terminus of the 73 has always been Stoke Newington and only garage journeys operated to AR - however in the latter years of Routemaster operation there were so many of these that it felt like a regular service. The Sunday service however did operate to and from Stamford Hill (SF) from June 1990 until September 2004 when the route converted to bendybus and this was the full Sunday service, not just garage journeys. Yes indeed. Looking through some old timetables, by the late 1990s there was a fairly regular service through to Tottenham outside of the peaks, but no service at all during the am peak and a very reduced service in the pm peak.
The full Sunday service was actually extended from Stamford Hill to Tottenham from November 1994 (Ian Armstrong's site seems to have missed this change). This took place a couple of years after the transfer of the Sunday operation from SF to AR in 1992.
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