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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2023 14:37:49 GMT
Is the 481 the first route to be operated by three entirely separate operators in the space of 3 years? This excludes any situations where an operator has bought out another operator or garage, and then gone on to lose the route. If you include the school extras operated by Abellio/TUK, you could shorten that down to 2 days! Friday, RATP and Abellio, Saturday, Metroline. Was it ever confirmed the 481D is included in this contract?
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Post by LD71YLO (BE37054) on Nov 12, 2023 14:52:55 GMT
If you include the school extras operated by Abellio/TUK, you could shorten that down to 2 days! Friday, RATP and Abellio, Saturday, Metroline. Was it ever confirmed the 481D is included in this contract? Oh no I wasn't alluding to that - if you check my original post, I referred to Metroline operation on a Saturday, when there would normally be no school services. On the Monday two days after the Saturday I referenced there may well be Abellio/TUK operation, but regardless of whether or not the 481D is included, my point still stands. I personally don't think that the 481D is included anyway - it hasn't been confirmed one way or the other.
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Post by SILENCED on Nov 12, 2023 15:57:30 GMT
I think it might be ever so slightly beaten to that by the 306. Not quite - RATP lost the route in December 2020, Metroline will lose it in April 2023, so just over 3 years. You may want to revisit that statement.
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Post by LK65EBO on Nov 12, 2023 16:00:04 GMT
I think it might be ever so slightly beaten to that by the 306. Not quite - RATP lost the route in December 2020, Metroline will lose it in April 2023, so just over 3 years. April 2024 not 2023.
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Post by LD71YLO (BE37054) on Nov 12, 2023 16:08:16 GMT
Not quite - RATP lost the route in December 2020, Metroline will lose it in April 2023, so just over 3 years. You may want to revisit that statement. Not quite - RATP lost the route in December 2020, Metroline will lose it in April 2023, so just over 3 years. April 2024 not 2023. It's mid-November and I still haven't got used to it being 2023! Sometimes I still think 2019 was last year!
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Post by mkay315 on Nov 13, 2023 11:07:37 GMT
247 is the only route in Barking and Dagenham borough to stay completely north of the A12 in that borough (however does cross the A12 in Havering). However all routes that operate in both Havering and Barking and Dagenham boroughs do cross the A12 at some point. The routes that have the highest percentage north of the A12 would be the 247, 375 and 497. The 497 is also unique for being the only route in the borough of Havering to not go south of the Elizabeth line, the same would be applicable for the 362 for Barking and Dagenham borough. The 294 is also unique for being the only Romford route to start and end north of the A12. The 5 and 86 goes through both Barking and Dagenham and Havering but does not cross the A12
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Post by northlondon83 on Nov 13, 2023 13:20:40 GMT
247 is the only route in Barking and Dagenham borough to stay completely north of the A12 in that borough (however does cross the A12 in Havering). However all routes that operate in both Havering and Barking and Dagenham boroughs do cross the A12 at some point. The routes that have the highest percentage north of the A12 would be the 247, 375 and 497. The 497 is also unique for being the only route in the borough of Havering to not go south of the Elizabeth line, the same would be applicable for the 362 for Barking and Dagenham borough. The 294 is also unique for being the only Romford route to start and end north of the A12. The 5 and 86 goes through both Barking and Dagenham and Havering but does not cross the A12 I meant that the 247 is the only route that runs through Barking and Dagenham completely north of the A12. The ones you described stay completely south of the A12 which is far more common
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Post by enviroPB on Nov 13, 2023 13:37:41 GMT
247 is the only route in Barking and Dagenham borough to stay completely north of the A12 in that borough (however does cross the A12 in Havering). However all routes that operate in both Havering and Barking and Dagenham boroughs do cross the A12 at some point. The routes that have the highest percentage north of the A12 would be the 247, 375 and 497. Routes in Barking & Dagenham that do not cross the A12: 5, 86, 128, 150, 173, 238, 287, 364, 368, EL1, EL2, EL3 I am not keen on recalling all Romford routes to dispel your hypothesis, but the 5 and 287 also cross into Havering so that's at least two routes in the borough that don't cross the A12. In the case of the 287, it's nowhere near it!
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Post by vjaska on Nov 13, 2023 14:32:43 GMT
247 is the only route in Barking and Dagenham borough to stay completely north of the A12 in that borough (however does cross the A12 in Havering). However all routes that operate in both Havering and Barking and Dagenham boroughs do cross the A12 at some point. The routes that have the highest percentage north of the A12 would be the 247, 375 and 497. Routes in Barking & Dagenham that do not cross the A12: 5, 86, 128, 150, 173, 238, 287, 364, 368, EL1, EL2, EL3 I am not keen on recalling all Romford routes to dispel your hypothesis, but the 5 and 287 also cross into Havering so that's at least two routes in the borough that don't cross the A12. In the case of the 287, it's nowhere near it! The 128 & 364 that you mentioned can be added on to the 5 & 287 as neither cross the A12 in Barking & Dagenham or Havering (the 128 crosses the A12 in Redbridge)
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Post by mkay315 on Nov 13, 2023 14:40:05 GMT
The 5 and 86 goes through both Barking and Dagenham and Havering but does not cross the A12 I meant that the 247 is the only route that runs through Barking and Dagenham completely north of the A12. The ones you described stay completely south of the A12 which is far more common You literally just wrote all routes in both Barking and Dagenham and Havering touches the A12 at some point in which I gave two routes and enviroPB (thank you for reminding me about the 287 (how in God's name I forgot about that route I'll never know and to think I practically grew up seeing that route)) that crosses both boroughs and doesn’t touch the A12. The 86 is on the mid section of Barking and Dagenham not fully south Don't move the goalpost now.
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Post by northlondon83 on Nov 13, 2023 14:40:06 GMT
247 is the only route in Barking and Dagenham borough to stay completely north of the A12 in that borough (however does cross the A12 in Havering). However all routes that operate in both Havering and Barking and Dagenham boroughs do cross the A12 at some point. The routes that have the highest percentage north of the A12 would be the 247, 375 and 497. Routes in Barking & Dagenham that do not cross the A12: 5, 86, 128, 150, 173, 238, 287, 364, 368, EL1, EL2, EL3 I am not keen on recalling all Romford routes to dispel your hypothesis, but the 5 and 287 also cross into Havering so that's at least two routes in the borough that don't cross the A12. In the case of the 287, it's nowhere near it! I got my words muddled up. I meant that every route that enters the two boroughs that I mentioned either cross the A12 or remain completely south of it.
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Post by northlondon83 on Nov 13, 2023 14:41:37 GMT
I meant that the 247 is the only route that runs through Barking and Dagenham completely north of the A12. The ones you described stay completely south of the A12 which is far more common You literally just wrote all routes in both Barking and Dagenham and Havering touches the A12 at some point in which I gave two routes and enviroPB (thank you for reminding me about the 287 (how in God's name I forgot about that route I'll never know and to think I practically grew up seeing that route)). Don't move the goalpost now. See my post above this one. As I said I meant to write they all cross south of the A12 or remain completely south of it.
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Post by enviroPB on Nov 13, 2023 15:17:46 GMT
Routes in Barking & Dagenham that do not cross the A12: 5, 86, 128, 150, 173, 238, 287, 364, 368, EL1, EL2, EL3 I am not keen on recalling all Romford routes to dispel your hypothesis, but the 5 and 287 also cross into Havering so that's at least two routes in the borough that don't cross the A12. In the case of the 287, it's nowhere near it! I got my words muddled up. I meant that every route that enters the two boroughs that I mentioned either cross the A12 or remain completely south of it. So that's every route then? I appreciate you trying to find something interesting to talk about, but you've got to do the proper research first otherwise someone else will! Almost every post I do is after referencing the London Buses site or London Bus Routes just to check those dotted Is and crossed Ts are in order. Unfortunately it's fear of having my point ignored due to incorrect facts more than anything, but the enthusiast community does have an unintentional way of regulating itself by everyone being a stickler for facts. Believe me I've made sweeping statements like this in the past, and I got wise quickly to do my research before I speak. Especially considering you're not from this part of the world it seems, I implore you to do the same.
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Post by M1104 on Nov 13, 2023 15:49:25 GMT
The 57 today have deckers from six different fleet codes; WVN, WVL, WHV, WSD, E and Ee. This is baring in mind the WVL and WVN are the same model...the latter new to Firstbus. For this scenario it's a pity an Me isn't on route to make it seven.
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Post by abellion on Nov 13, 2023 16:38:58 GMT
The 57 today have deckers from six different fleet codes; WVN, WVL, WHV, WSD, E and Ee. This is baring in mind the WVL and WVN are the same model...the latter new to Firstbus. For this scenario it's a pity an Me isn't on route to make it seven. Going into specifics, the WHV (Gemini 2 and 3) are two different types as are the E (Trident and E40D). The takeover from RATP like forever ago when E151 and the Tridents were able to cover the whole route.
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