Trivial But Unique

[borneobus]

Jul 2, 2024 23:27:57 GMT bluepuffy said:

Jul 1, 2024 21:37:36 GMT DE20106 said:

borneobus brought this up but I definitely think is worth conversation about: which TfL route has the longest number of consecutive stops not shared by any other.

The 465 after Chessington world of Aventuresc becomes a lone wolf and has 32 stops not shared with any other TfL route.

This is probably right, the only routes like the 465 I could think of which could compete with this are the 81 and 405, of course all venturing way out of London. However, I only counted 18 on the 405 and 20 for the 81.

The next honourable mention is the 403. I can’t recall any other route in London like this, where after it leaves a major hub becomes a total lone wolf for the whole rest of the route (Croydon in the 403’s case)

The 403 has 20 stops where it runs totally alone via Sanderstead to Warlingham, and there’s more:

As SILENCED mentioned, for routes that run entirely within the confines of TfL land, the 403 probably does have the most amount of lone stops.

But something else interesting is that while the 465 doesn’t connect with any other TfL routes for 32 stops, it does actually connect with other provincial bus routes for most of those 32, technically making it not an entire lone wolf.

Coming back to the 403, it runs completely alone for the first 17 of its stops before meeting with a couple of provincial routes (the Metrobus 409 and 411) around Warlingham Sainsbury’s.

So unless anyone can come up with any other routes with anything longer that I’ve missed, I make the 403 to be the route with the longest amount of consecutive stops not connecting with any other at 17. (With the 465 being the longest to not connect with any other TfL route)

The 166 unfortunately falls just short with 16 consecutive stops (if headed to Epsom Hospital and not counting Non-TfL buses), however I believe it holds the most lone stops for a bus that starts from the London Borough of Croydon at around 29 if not counting Non-TfL buses, falling short at Banstead where it meets with the S1 for until the Marks & Spencers then again at Epsom High Street. 

Seeing which boroughs buses have the most and least consecutive stops with no other buses would be a fun subject to look into ngl.

This is not easy
Here's a HILLINGON contender (but of course strays outside the borough)
331
9 stops (Oakside to Truesdale Drive)
Happy to be corrected :-) 

[bluepuffy]

I'm fairly sure for certain for the one with the most and least lone consecutive stops in the London Borough of Sutton is;

Most: S2 (15 consecutive lone stops between Reigate Road / Green Man & Sutton Station, where it rejoins the network)
Least: 280 (if not counting the N44, this route has zero lone stops.)

[abellion]

Jul 3, 2024 9:58:11 GMT bluepuffy said:

I'm fairly sure for certain for the one with the most and least lone consecutive stops in the London Borough of Sutton is;

Most: S2 (15 consecutive lone stops between Reigate Road / Green Man & Sutton Station, where it rejoins the network)
Least: 280 (if not counting the N44, this route has zero lone stops.)

The 280’s first and last stops in Belmont don’t have any other bus routes, just the A3 coach I think

[someone]

Least in Greenwich is the 486 (only 1 on its entire route, at Charlton Station/Charlton Church Lane). Not sure about the most, but 386 seems like a safe bet!

[ks]

Jul 1, 2024 21:37:36 GMT DE20106 said:

borneobus brought this up but I definitely think is worth conversation about: which TfL route has the longest number of consecutive stops not shared by any other.

The 465 after Chessington world of Aventuresc becomes a lone wolf and has 32 stops not shared with any other TfL route.

This is probably right, the only routes like the 465 I could think of which could compete with this are the 81 and 405, of course all venturing way out of London. However, I only counted 18 on the 405 and 20 for the 81.

The next honourable mention is the 403. I can’t recall any other route in London like this, where after it leaves a major hub becomes a total lone wolf for the whole rest of the route (Croydon in the 403’s case)

The 403 has 20 stops where it runs totally alone via Sanderstead to Warlingham, and there’s more:

As SILENCED mentioned, for routes that run entirely within the confines of TfL land, the 403 probably does have the most amount of lone stops.

But something else interesting is that while the 465 doesn’t connect with any other TfL routes for 32 stops, it does actually connect with other provincial bus routes for most of those 32, technically making it not an entire lone wolf.

Coming back to the 403, it runs completely alone for the first 17 of its stops before meeting with a couple of provincial routes (the Metrobus 409 and 411) around Warlingham Sainsbury’s.

So unless anyone can come up with any other routes with anything longer that I’ve missed, I make the 403 to be the route with the longest amount of consecutive stops not connecting with any other at 17. (With the 465 being the longest to not connect with any other TfL route)

The R5/R10 are definitely up there as well. I count 22 stops on the R10 clockwise that are unshared with any other route. Or 24 unshared with any other TfL route, or approximately 40 if you count the R5 and R10 as one route.

[ks]

For Bromley: 176 is the first bus route that comes to mind that has 0 stops unshared with other routes. Plus the night buses, and Superloop, if you count them

Most is probably R5/R10.

[ronnie]

Jul 3, 2024 16:16:58 GMT someone said:

Least in Greenwich is the 486 (only 1 on its entire route, at Charlton Station/Charlton Church Lane). Not sure about the most, but 386 seems like a safe bet!

Indeed, it is the 386. However the 380 also has a number of unique stops as well as a hail and ride section which I am not sure how to include!

[vjaska]

For Lambeth, I imagine the P5 has the most stops where only it serves them - the roads in and out of Patmore Estate, most of Bedford Road, Brixton to Loughborough Junction, Loughborough Junction to Camberwell New Road & Camberwell New Road to Walworth.

As for routes with no unique stops, take your pick because there will quite a few routes in Lambeth that serve stops with other routes on them.

[M1104]

Off the top of my head for the borough of Merton I'm thinking of the 200 with the most solo stops, the 118 in contrast with no solo stops...it shared with the N133

[borneobus]

Jul 4, 2024 3:01:53 GMT vjaska said:

For Lambeth, I imagine the P5 has the most stops where only it serves them - the roads in and out of Patmore Estate, most of Bedford Road, Brixton to Loughborough Junction, Loughborough Junction to Camberwell New Road & Camberwell New Road to Walworth.

As for routes with no unique stops, take your pick because there will quite a few routes in Lambeth that serve stops with other routes on them.

I make it 8 for the P5

INTO THE ESTATE
Five unique stops from Blore Close to the terminating point Patmore Estate / Drury House

OUT OF THE ESTATE
Three unique stops from Patmore Estate / Drury House to Clyston Street (terminating point not double-counted)

*

How about the 322?
Only checked northbound...
10 consecutive (all in Lambeth)
Central Hill to Robson Road / Norwood Road

[redexpress]

Jul 1, 2024 21:37:36 GMT DE20106 said:

borneobus brought this up but I definitely think is worth conversation about: which TfL route has the longest number of consecutive stops not shared by any other.

The 465 after Chessington world of Aventuresc becomes a lone wolf and has 32 stops not shared with any other TfL route.

This is probably right, the only routes like the 465 I could think of which could compete with this are the 81 and 405, of course all venturing way out of London. However, I only counted 18 on the 405 and 20 for the 81.

The next honourable mention is the 403. I can’t recall any other route in London like this, where after it leaves a major hub becomes a total lone wolf for the whole rest of the route (Croydon in the 403’s case)

The 403 has 20 stops where it runs totally alone via Sanderstead to Warlingham, and there’s more:

As SILENCED mentioned, for routes that run entirely within the confines of TfL land, the 403 probably does have the most amount of lone stops.

But something else interesting is that while the 465 doesn’t connect with any other TfL routes for 32 stops, it does actually connect with other provincial bus routes for most of those 32, technically making it not an entire lone wolf.

Coming back to the 403, it runs completely alone for the first 17 of its stops before meeting with a couple of provincial routes (the Metrobus 409 and 411) around Warlingham Sainsbury’s.

So unless anyone can come up with any other routes with anything longer that I’ve missed, I make the 403 to be the route with the longest amount of consecutive stops not connecting with any other at 17. (With the 465 being the longest to not connect with any other TfL route)

403 is a very good shout. Worth noting that it only works towards Warlingham; in the other direction some stops are also served by the one-way 685.

Also it does actually venture outside TfL land. Beyond Tithepit Shaw Lane the route is in Surrey, even if the bus stops along the route are maintained by TfL. Warlingham Green is an oddity in that the bus stop pole and flag are provided by TfL, but the "Countdown" display appears to be a Surrey one that shows both the 403 and the Surrey routes.

[borneobus]

Within Hillingdon the 427 has no unique stops 

[borneobus]

In Barnet the H3 serves 11 consecutive unique stops (Hampstead Way Linnell Drive -> Winnington Road)

[ronnie]

The 372 has 17 unique stops between Rainham and lakeside

[ronnie]

Does the 364 have the longest length of hail & ride as a % of total route length?