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Post by wirewiper on Aug 12, 2020 7:39:13 GMT
The historical unique trivia I always liked (it being local to me) was the 240/A being the only bus route on which a tube ticket was valid, in lieu of the Northern Line extension from Mill Hill East to Edgware. Unexpired rail tickets were accepted on the 114 bus between Harrow & Wealdstone and Stanmore after passenger services to Stanmore Village ceased in September 1952. There may be other examples; the 63 was extended from Honor Oak to Crystal Palace in 1954 as a replacement for the Crystal Palace High Level branch line so unexpired rail tickets may well have been accepted. In the London Country area, the 366 bus was a direct replacement for the Hatfield to Dunstable railway line in 1966, although London Country only operated as far as Luton. The formation between Luton and Dunstable was subsequently incorporated into the Luton Busway. I think what makes the 240/A situation so unusual is that rail tickets were accepted over such a long period. The Edgware branch of the Great Northern was closed in 1939 and initially an hourly rail replacement bus was provided, but this was withdrawn (possibly in 1941 when the line reopened as far as Mill Hill East) in favour of ticket acceptance on the 240/A. Although the reopening of the remainder of the Edgware branch was formally abandoned in the late 1940s tickets continued to be issued and accepted for many years afterwards, and some season tickets were still being accepted in 1969.
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Post by aaron1 on Aug 12, 2020 8:10:50 GMT
The historical unique trivia I always liked (it being local to me) was the 240/A being the only bus route on which a tube ticket was valid, in lieu of the Northern Line extension from Mill Hill East to Edgware. Unexpired rail tickets were accepted on the 114 bus between Harrow & Wealdstone and Stanmore after passenger services to Stanmore Village ceased in September 1952. There may be other examples; the 63 was extended from Honor Oak to Crystal Palace in 1954 as a replacement for the Crystal Palace High Level branch line so unexpired rail tickets may well have been accepted. In the London Country area, the 366 bus was a direct replacement for the Hatfield to Dunstable railway line in 1966, although London Country only operated as far as Luton. The formation between Luton and Dunstable was subsequently incorporated into the Luton Busway. I think what makes the 240/A situation so unusual is that rail tickets were accepted over such a long period. The Edgware branch of the Great Northern was closed in 1939 and initially an hourly rail replacement bus was provided, but this was withdrawn (possibly in 1941 when the line reopened as far as Mill Hill East) in favour of ticket acceptance on the 240/A. Although the reopening of the remainder of the Edgware branch was formally abandoned in the late 1940s tickets continued to be issued and accepted for many years afterwards, and some season tickets were still being accepted in 1969. And the funny thing the 63 was cut back to Honor Oak Park I don't know why maybe they think the route it too long
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Post by londonbuschannel on Aug 12, 2020 8:10:55 GMT
The only bus routes to be present at both ends of a train / tube line are as follows: - 26: both ends of Waterloo & city line - 126 and 261: grove park to Bromley north shuttle - 248, 370, 347 (and maybe a few more): Romford - Upminster overground - 474: both ends of Canning Town - beckton dlr service - D8: both ends of Stratford - Canary Wharf dlr - N551: both ends of tower gateway - beckton dlr - 21: both ends of lewisham - bank dlr The 23 (sort of) serves both ends of the Circle line at Hammersmith and Edgware Road. Arriva Kent route 334 covers the Sittingbourne-Sheerneess shuttle
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Post by aaron1 on Aug 12, 2020 8:15:41 GMT
If we can a bus trivial out side of London
The route 50 from Bournemouth to Swanage is the only route that goes on a ferry
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Post by ronnie on Aug 12, 2020 8:16:37 GMT
The only bus routes to be present at both ends of a train / tube line are as follows: - 26: both ends of Waterloo & city line - 126 and 261: grove park to Bromley north shuttle - 248, 370, 347 (and maybe a few more): Romford - Upminster overground - 474: both ends of Canning Town - beckton dlr service - D8: both ends of Stratford - Canary Wharf dlr - N551: both ends of tower gateway - beckton dlr - 21: both ends of lewisham - bank dlr For the first one you can add the 521. Ah yes forgot completely about the 521 The 76 also used to do it till it was diverted away
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Post by greenboy on Aug 12, 2020 8:23:15 GMT
Unexpired rail tickets were accepted on the 114 bus between Harrow & Wealdstone and Stanmore after passenger services to Stanmore Village ceased in September 1952. There may be other examples; the 63 was extended from Honor Oak to Crystal Palace in 1954 as a replacement for the Crystal Palace High Level branch line so unexpired rail tickets may well have been accepted. In the London Country area, the 366 bus was a direct replacement for the Hatfield to Dunstable railway line in 1966, although London Country only operated as far as Luton. The formation between Luton and Dunstable was subsequently incorporated into the Luton Busway. I think what makes the 240/A situation so unusual is that rail tickets were accepted over such a long period. The Edgware branch of the Great Northern was closed in 1939 and initially an hourly rail replacement bus was provided, but this was withdrawn (possibly in 1941 when the line reopened as far as Mill Hill East) in favour of ticket acceptance on the 240/A. Although the reopening of the remainder of the Edgware branch was formally abandoned in the late 1940s tickets continued to be issued and accepted for many years afterwards, and some season tickets were still being accepted in 1969. And the funny thing the 63 was cut back to Honor Oak Park I don't know why maybe they think the route it too long About half the 63 service terminated at Honor Oak Park before that. Used to go round the block before the u turn facility was installed.
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Post by greg on Aug 12, 2020 8:41:55 GMT
What double deck routes have the most challenging turns. The turn on the 189 southbound from Kilburn High Road on to Quex Road can be difficult at times as it's quite a tight turn and sometimes vehicles are stopped past the stop line. Also there's another similar situation not on a double decker route but on the 108 (with it's 12m buses) turning left from Bow Road on to Campbell Road The 189 has a lot of tight turns, theres one at Cricklewood where it turns left onto Claremont Road from the B&Q. Another one is at Rossmore Road where they turn left to London Business School, its a bit tricky as there are parked cars on the west side which means if there is a bus in the other direction they often wait for that bus to go. The bus stop is also in the middle of parked cars too. (West side being Oxford Street not Kilburn)
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Post by wirewiper on Aug 12, 2020 8:48:08 GMT
Unexpired rail tickets were accepted on the 114 bus between Harrow & Wealdstone and Stanmore after passenger services to Stanmore Village ceased in September 1952. There may be other examples; the 63 was extended from Honor Oak to Crystal Palace in 1954 as a replacement for the Crystal Palace High Level branch line so unexpired rail tickets may well have been accepted. In the London Country area, the 366 bus was a direct replacement for the Hatfield to Dunstable railway line in 1966, although London Country only operated as far as Luton. The formation between Luton and Dunstable was subsequently incorporated into the Luton Busway. I think what makes the 240/A situation so unusual is that rail tickets were accepted over such a long period. The Edgware branch of the Great Northern was closed in 1939 and initially an hourly rail replacement bus was provided, but this was withdrawn (possibly in 1941 when the line reopened as far as Mill Hill East) in favour of ticket acceptance on the 240/A. Although the reopening of the remainder of the Edgware branch was formally abandoned in the late 1940s tickets continued to be issued and accepted for many years afterwards, and some season tickets were still being accepted in 1969. And the funny thing the 63 was cut back to Honor Oak Park I don't know why maybe they think the route it too long That was replaced by the 363 though. When the 63 was originally extended to Crystal Palace there hadn't been a bus service over that section before.
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Post by M1104 on Aug 12, 2020 9:57:41 GMT
Streatham Garage, rebuilt¹ and reopened in 1987, closed as a bus garage in the early 90s due to a structural flaw where the building could no longer be used as a bus garage. The rest of its working life was home to Go Karting prior to it eventually being demolished. The depot had staff parking in the basement, though I'm not sure if that was unique
Victoria Garage (GM) had a garage in the basement, coded as GB where I believe the Red Arrow fleet were based prior to them being moved upstairs to GB, making room for the new Central London Midibus (CLM) operation for the C1, C2, C3, C10 and 239.
¹ - original garage demolished in 1986
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Post by LJ17THF on Aug 12, 2020 10:10:26 GMT
Streatham Garage, rebuilt¹ and reopened in 1987, closed as a bus garage in the early 90s due to a structural flaw where the building could no longer be used as a bus garage. The rest of its working life was home to Go Karting prior to it eventually being demolished. The depot had staff parking in the basement, though I'm not sure if that was unique Victoria Garage (GM) had a garage in the basement, coded as GB where I believe the Red Arrow fleet were based prior to them bring moved upstairs to GB to make room for the new Central London Midibus (CLM) operation for the C1, C2, C3, C10 and 239. ¹ - original garage demolished in 1986 The link below has a picture of Streatham Garage before it was demolished, but after it was turned into a go-kart place. There's a Travel London ALX400 next to it, was it used as a bus stand still? streathampulse.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/go_kart-raceway.jpg
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Post by greenboy on Aug 12, 2020 10:15:19 GMT
Streatham Garage, rebuilt¹ and reopened in 1987, closed as a bus garage in the early 90s due to a structural flaw where the building could no longer be used as a bus garage. The rest of its working life was home to Go Karting prior to it eventually being demolished. The depot had staff parking in the basement, though I'm not sure if that was unique Victoria Garage (GM) had a garage in the basement, coded as GB where I believe the Red Arrow fleet were based prior to them bring moved upstairs to GB to make room for the new Central London Midibus (CLM) operation for the C1, C2, C3, C10 and 239. ¹ - original garage demolished in 1986 The link below has a picture of Streatham Garage before it was demolished, but after it was turned into a go-kart place. There's a Travel London ALX400 next to it, was it used as a bus stand still? streathampulse.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/go_kart-raceway.jpgYes the bus stand outside remained until it was demolished.
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Post by M1104 on Aug 12, 2020 10:19:21 GMT
Streatham Garage, rebuilt¹ and reopened in 1987, closed as a bus garage in the early 90s due to a structural flaw where the building could no longer be used as a bus garage. The rest of its working life was home to Go Karting prior to it eventually being demolished. The depot had staff parking in the basement, though I'm not sure if that was unique Victoria Garage (GM) had a garage in the basement, coded as GB where I believe the Red Arrow fleet were based prior to them bring moved upstairs to GB to make room for the new Central London Midibus (CLM) operation for the C1, C2, C3, C10 and 239. ¹ - original garage demolished in 1986 The link below has a picture of Streatham Garage before it was demolished, but after it was turned into a go-kart place. There's a Travel London ALX400 next to it, was it used as a bus stand still? streathampulse.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/go_kart-raceway.jpgYes the bus stand was still being used... as well as the toilet facilities. What I believe was the inspector/controller's room was used as the mess room for the Travel London drivers for routes 60, P13 and G1. I realised this after one of the drivers kindly allowed me to use the facilities, him being an ex-London General driver. I believe the 159 stood on the main road after doing authorised U-turns.
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Post by snowman on Aug 12, 2020 10:39:29 GMT
Streatham Garage, rebuilt¹ and reopened in 1987, closed as a bus garage in the early 90s due to a structural flaw where the building could no longer be used as a bus garage. The rest of its working life was home to Go Karting prior to it eventually being demolished. The depot had staff parking in the basement, though I'm not sure if that was unique Victoria Garage (GM) had a garage in the basement, coded as GB where I believe the Red Arrow fleet were based prior to them being moved upstairs to GB, making room for the new Central London Midibus (CLM) operation for the C1, C2, C3, C10 and 239. ¹ - original garage demolished in 1986 From memory I understood the structural problems were due to building in a WW2 bomb crater when the garage was rebuilt from a tram depot. The backfilled crater gradually settled. Maybe the basement was because they had big hole to start with, and easier to remove loose material than make a raised firm foundation.
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Post by vjaska on Aug 12, 2020 11:28:40 GMT
Yes the bus stand was still being used... as well as the toilet facilities. What I believe was the inspector/controller's room was used as the mess room for the Travel London drivers for routes 60, P13 and G1. I realised this after one of the drivers kindly allowed me to use the facilities, him being an ex-London General driver. I believe the 159 stood on the main road after doing authorised U-turns. The 159 stood in the stand area with the 60, think one of the P13 or G1 sometimes stood on the main road until the G1 was extended to Green Lane.
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Post by M1104 on Aug 12, 2020 11:38:31 GMT
Yes the bus stand was still being used... as well as the toilet facilities. What I believe was the inspector/controller's room was used as the mess room for the Travel London drivers for routes 60, P13 and G1. I realised this after one of the drivers kindly allowed me to use the facilities, him being an ex-London General driver. I believe the 159 stood on the main road after doing authorised U-turns. The 159 stood in the stand area with the 60, think one of the P13 or G1 sometimes stood on the main road until the G1 was extended to Green Lane. I remember a lot of 159s doing U turns to park on the main road, possibly because they didn't want to risk getting stuck behind a Travel London bus that's waiting for the next driver to arrive from the depot.
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