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Post by route53 on Jul 7, 2021 16:49:47 GMT
Do you think CrossRail will open in 2022?
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Post by Dillon95 on Jul 7, 2021 21:29:09 GMT
Do you think CrossRail will open in 2022? 2032 at this rate.
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Post by wirewiper on Jul 9, 2021 16:47:33 GMT
Do you think CrossRail will open in 2022? Yes, without a doubt. - The planned trial running is taking place - An extra £825 million of funding has been allocated - Stations are being handed over to TfL and the troubled Bond Street has been "decoupled" so the opening can go ahead without it if necessary.
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Post by route53 on Jul 9, 2021 17:52:02 GMT
Do you think CrossRail will open in 2022? Yes, without a doubt. - The planned trial running is taking place - An extra £825 million of funding has been allocated - Stations are being handed over to TfL and the troubled Bond Street has been "decoupled" so the opening can go ahead without it if necessary. This is good, I hope to ride on it next year! :-)
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Post by wirewiper on Jul 9, 2021 18:05:57 GMT
Yes, without a doubt. - The planned trial running is taking place - An extra £825 million of funding has been allocated - Stations are being handed over to TfL and the troubled Bond Street has been "decoupled" so the opening can go ahead without it if necessary. This is good, I hope to ride on it next year! :-) Me too - I'll make a trip to London specially for it!
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Jul 10, 2021 5:43:56 GMT
This is good, I hope to ride on it next year! :-) Me too - I'll make a trip to London specially for it! You could travel from Devon to Reading and board CrossRail there, even if not initially. I am willing to postpone the Northern Line extension to Battersea and combine this with CrossRail in central London on the same day.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2021 14:29:48 GMT
Me too - I'll make a trip to London specially for it! You could travel from Devon to Reading and board CrossRail there, even if not initially. I am willing to postpone the Northern Line extension to Battersea and combine this with CrossRail in central London on the same day. I'd rather open Crossrail first than the Northern Line extension, would serve more people across multiple parts of London
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Post by wirewiper on Jul 11, 2021 14:47:48 GMT
You could travel from Devon to Reading and board CrossRail there, even if not initially. I am willing to postpone the Northern Line extension to Battersea and combine this with CrossRail in central London on the same day. I'd rather open Crossrail first than the Northern Line extension, would serve more people across multiple parts of London They are completely separate projects with their own funding streams. Delaying the opening of the Northern Line Extension will make no difference whatsoever to the progress of Crossrail.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2021 15:01:20 GMT
I'd rather open Crossrail first than the Northern Line extension, would serve more people across multiple parts of London They are completely separate projects with their own funding streams. Delaying the opening of the Northern Line Extension will make no difference whatsoever to the progress of Crossrail. I know that, but I'm saying Crossrail will probably benefit more people than the Northern line extension. It just so happens that the NLE was ready before Crossrail was.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Jul 11, 2021 18:04:25 GMT
You could travel from Devon to Reading and board CrossRail there, even if not initially. I am willing to postpone the Northern Line extension to Battersea and combine this with CrossRail in central London on the same day. I'd rather open Crossrail first than the Northern Line extension, would serve more people across multiple parts of London As you live quite near what will be CrossRail in west London, I can see why you are more excited by CrossRail. I had expected to ride routes 7, 28 & 328 in the Autumn but now plan to postpone these to coincide with CrossRail, as these routes reach or are not far from Paddington.
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Post by wirewiper on Jul 12, 2021 14:03:49 GMT
Crossrail will be opened in three stages, and in a different order to what was proposed originally.
The first stage, Stage 3 (Stages 1 and 2 were the creation of the TfL Rail services to the East and West of London in 2015 and 2019 respectively) will see trains running from Paddington (Elizabeth Line platforms) to Abbey Wood. This will be introduced "as soon as possible" in the first half of 2022. The TfL Rail services will be rebranded "Elizabeth Line" at the same time so the Line will effectively be operated a three separate services. Up to 12 trains an hour will operate between Paddington and Abbey Wood.
The second stage, Stage 4, will see services extended from Paddington (Elizabeth Line) to Reading and Heathrow Airport. At the same time most Shenfield-Liverpool Street services will be rerouted to Paddington (Elizabeth Line) - some extra peak-hour services will operate between Liverpool Street (main line) and Gidea Park. This will create two separate but overlapping services. This will help resilience, as the full service through the central core will still not be operational so there will be spare divers and trains to cope with teething problems. It will also reduce risk as each train and driver will be dealing initially with two different signalling systems but not all three. These services can be introduced without needing to wait for the National Rail timetable changes.
Stage 5, the full service with up to 24 tph through the central core, is expected by the end of 2022.
Looking forward, provision has been made for an additional stop at Old Oak Common when HS2 opens. Also all the central core stations have been built so they can be lengthened easily to take ten-car trains in the future.
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Post by route53 on Jul 12, 2021 14:21:50 GMT
I wonder if soon there’s will be a timetable reshuffle for the Woolwich line? I have a mate in Gravesend who has said their MP is lobbying for 4tph to the Woolwich line for the CrossRail connection at Abbey Wood, I assume if this happened then the CX to Dartford via Woolwich would be extended to Gravesend.
There was also a rumour a while back regarding a service from Maidstone West to Charing Cross via Woolwich & Lewisham for a CrossRail feeder route
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Post by snowman on Jul 12, 2021 15:07:43 GMT
Crossrail will be opened in three stages, and in a different order to what was proposed originally. The first stage, Stage 3 (Stages 1 and 2 were the creation of the TfL Rail services to the East and West of London in 2015 and 2019 respectively) will see trains running from Paddington (Elizabeth Line platforms) to Abbey Wood. This will be introduced "as soon as possible" in the first half of 2022. The TfL Rail services will be rebranded "Elizabeth Line" at the same time so the Line will effectively be operated a three separate services. Up to 12 trains an hour will operate between Paddington and Abbey Wood. The second stage, Stage 4, will see services extended from Paddington (Elizabeth Line) to Reading and Heathrow Airport. At the same time most Shenfield-Liverpool Street services will be rerouted to Paddington (Elizabeth Line) - some extra peak-hour services will operate between Liverpool Street (main line) and Gidea Park. This will create two separate but overlapping services. This will help resilience, as the full service through the central core will still not be operational so there will be spare divers and trains to cope with teething problems. It will also reduce risk as each train and driver will be dealing initially with two different signalling systems but not all three. These services can be introduced without needing to wait for the National Rail timetable changes. Stage 5, the full service with up to 24 tph through the central core, is expected by the end of 2022. Looking forward, provision has been made for an additional stop at Old Oak Common when HS2 opens. Also all the central core stations have been built so they can be lengthened easily to take ten-car trains in the future. According to the TfL Board Elizabeth line committee papers for these weeks meeting, it is all being changed Stage 4a was ability to run 9car trains to Liverpool Street (effective Easter 2021) Stage 4 is being replaced by stage 5b Stage 5b will see trains running Reading/Heathrow - Abbey Wood and Shenfield - Paddington Dates not announced but appears to be 14th May 2022 (which is date National rail timetable changes) Stage 5 is replaced by 5c which is full timetable (again no dates, but late 2022 looks likely) Back to shorter term: this week 12 train tunnel testing commenced (real time trains is showing it all went wrong today) there is another blockade in August during blockade all the trains will be standardised (same software), so no more dedicated tunnel test fleet with different software During September all the remaining 7car trains get replaced by 9car During the Autumn (dates to follow) there are simulated passenger usage tests (basically hundreds of volunteers acting as passengers, tourists etc) to test station and staff readiness It would seem core will open (depending on test results) as early as just before Christmas (an internal target), or early 2022 (a public target). Likely it will operate a shadow service and then just have soft opening (one day just quietly open it, only announcing afterwards) rather than a big launch ahead of opening.
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Post by bus12451 on Jul 12, 2021 19:06:26 GMT
I wonder if soon there’s will be a timetable reshuffle for the Woolwich line? I have a mate in Gravesend who has said their MP is lobbying for 4tph to the Woolwich line for the CrossRail connection at Abbey Wood, I assume if this happened then the CX to Dartford via Woolwich would be extended to Gravesend. There was also a rumour a while back regarding a service from Maidstone West to Charing Cross via Woolwich & Lewisham for a CrossRail feeder route I think if this 4tph service ever came to fruition, it could make use of the Class 465/466 units that are currently in storage. Can the platform arrangement at Gravesend support this though? The existing Charing Cross - Gravesend via Sidcup service uses platform 0 so unless that gets cut back, I'm not sure if this can work. Regarding the Charing Cross - Maidstone West via Woolwich service, I suppose it depends on whether Maidstone users prefer regular SE high speed trains to St Pancras or regular trains to Charing Cross as there may be time and price differences between the two.
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Post by route53 on Jul 18, 2021 15:12:07 GMT
I wonder if soon there’s will be a timetable reshuffle for the Woolwich line? I have a mate in Gravesend who has said their MP is lobbying for 4tph to the Woolwich line for the CrossRail connection at Abbey Wood, I assume if this happened then the CX to Dartford via Woolwich would be extended to Gravesend. There was also a rumour a while back regarding a service from Maidstone West to Charing Cross via Woolwich & Lewisham for a CrossRail feeder route I think if this 4tph service ever came to fruition, it could make use of the Class 465/466 units that are currently in storage. Can the platform arrangement at Gravesend support this though? The existing Charing Cross - Gravesend via Sidcup service uses platform 0 so unless that gets cut back, I'm not sure if this can work. Regarding the Charing Cross - Maidstone West via Woolwich service, I suppose it depends on whether Maidstone users prefer regular SE high speed trains to St Pancras or regular trains to Charing Cross as there may be time and price differences between the two. I think it was intended for Maidstone West to be served by both High Speed and Charing Cross via Woolwich trains, Maidstone commuters want the town to have a wider range of services with better connections to other destinations, including better connections to TfL services in South east London. The Maidstone West option came about primarily because of lack of space at Gravesend, with both Sidcup and Bexleyheath line trains terminating there. I’m not sure if the Maidstone West service would be semi fast (or call at the old Gillingham semi fasts stops at Lewisham, Blackheath, Charlton, Woolwich A, Abbey W, Dartford, Greenhithe then Gravesend) or would call at all stations along the Woolwich line (fast from London Bridge to Lewisham of course) and run semi fast after Dartford, Stone, Swanscombe and Northfleet just about justify a 4tph let alone 6tph. Either way it’ll be good to have Maidstone services on the Woolwich line again
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