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Post by LondonNorthern on Oct 12, 2020 16:34:19 GMT
I'll just say before anyone calls the shots about the 460, the 460 is a well used route and offers really good links from Finchley to Cricklewood & Willesden Green, to access both areas by train is an incredible faff particularly Willesden Green where you have to go into Kings Cross & then get a Circle through to Baker Street and then a Jubilee Line. Although many would say "why not get a 13 then 245/260" I reckon that the 260 would likely be a culprit for a cutback to Cricklewood Broadway or W, and the 460 continuing as is. The 13 & 260 are also very unreliable bus routes - particularly that of the 13 under TT (Possibly just because of the Finchley Road changes) and that they need lots of support which routes like the 102 & 245 cannot bring whereas with the 414, sure the 6 can be unreliable and probably has been for an incredible amount of time, anyone travelling in from the west of the 414 can use the tube due to the amount of District line stations it passes and then at Warwick Avenue change onto a 187 or a 6.
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Post by COBO on Oct 29, 2020 16:45:46 GMT
This consultation got me thinking 🤔. In that past TfL wanted the 94 to terminate at Marble Arch but as of late that hasn’t happened yet and now they want the 414 to terminate at Marble Arch. What if at some point in the future that the two routes are merged together aka a Acton Green to Putney Bridge which is not a bad idea.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Oct 29, 2020 16:51:11 GMT
This consultation got me thinking 🤔. In that past TfL wanted the 94 to terminate at Marble Arch but as of late that hasn’t happened yet and now they want the 414 to terminate at Marble Arch. What if at some point in the future that the two routes are merged together aka a Acton Green to Putney Bridge which is not a bad idea. Please no I'd much rather the 414 be used in a way like serving Parsons Green Station, Battersea Power Station, Wandsworth Riverside, giving a link from Putney High Street to the A3, would be much better than that. I wonder if the 94 will be withdrawn with the 148 extended to Acton Green (or as I suggested earlier in the year - Turnham Green Church)
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Post by COBO on Oct 29, 2020 16:55:58 GMT
This consultation got me thinking 🤔. In that past TfL wanted the 94 to terminate at Marble Arch but as of late that hasn’t happened yet and now they want the 414 to terminate at Marble Arch. What if at some point in the future that the two routes are merged together aka a Acton Green to Putney Bridge which is not a bad idea. Please no I'd much rather the 414 be used in a way like serving Parsons Green Station, Battersea Power Station, Wandsworth Riverside, giving a link from Putney High Street to the A3, would be much better than that. I wonder if the 94 will be withdrawn with the 148 extended to Acton Green (or as I suggested earlier in the year - Turnham Green Church) I wondering about that the 148 being extended to Acton Green replacing the 94 myself and they might even take it further to Chiswick Business Park so that the LTs are retained.
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Post by greenboy on Oct 29, 2020 17:25:50 GMT
Please no I'd much rather the 414 be used in a way like serving Parsons Green Station, Battersea Power Station, Wandsworth Riverside, giving a link from Putney High Street to the A3, would be much better than that. I wonder if the 94 will be withdrawn with the 148 extended to Acton Green (or as I suggested earlier in the year - Turnham Green Church) I wondering about that the 148 being extended to Acton Green replacing the 94 myself and they might even take it further to Chiswick Business Park so that the LTs are retained. If the 94 and 148 are merged into one route I would think the BCEs will be used, probably Acton Green to Westminster or could even be rerouted via the 507 to Waterloo.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2020 17:37:56 GMT
How many years has the forum been predicting the 94 withdrawal now
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Post by enviroPB on Oct 29, 2020 17:38:16 GMT
I wondering about that the 148 being extended to Acton Green replacing the 94 myself and they might even take it further to Chiswick Business Park so that the LTs are retained. If the 94 and 148 are merged into one route I would think the BCEs will be used, probably Acton Green to Westminster or could even be rerouted via the 507 to Waterloo. The 148 is one of those routes that's busy any time of the day or night. Should it be extended over the 94 in some form, none of the 148's original routing should be lost as a recompense for this extension.
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Post by greg on Oct 29, 2020 17:38:25 GMT
As great as it is I hope they do not merge the 94/148 because west of Marble Arch they have different purposes. They are both extremely busy and high freuqency, the 94 is the only route along Oxford Street to run down Bayswater Road. The thing is though no one gets on or off between Notting Hill Gate and Marble Arch, no demand but it is like a non stop section if you ride them, but please no.
If they did merge, they could reinstate the 390 to Notting Hill and the 73 back to Victoria and keep the merged 148 between Acton and Camberwell
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Post by wirewiper on Oct 29, 2020 17:44:00 GMT
How many years has the forum been predicting the 94 withdrawal now Yes, the 94 and seemingly the 73 as well. You would think they were little-used backwaters, rather than some of the most frequent routes in London with some of the biggest allocations.
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Post by greenboy on Oct 29, 2020 18:13:03 GMT
If the 94 and 148 are merged into one route I would think the BCEs will be used, probably Acton Green to Westminster or could even be rerouted via the 507 to Waterloo. The 148 is one of those routes that's busy any time of the day or night. Should it be extended over the 94 in some form, none of the 148's original routing should be lost as a recompense for this extension. I can't see it being Acton Green to Camberwell Green.
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Post by redbus on Oct 29, 2020 19:06:03 GMT
I think we are very lucky in a sense that this proposal isn't to axe the 6. My heart thinks it would be terrible to axe the 6, but logically my head is not so sure that is right. If the 414 could be extended to Willesden at an appropriate frequency and reliability that may well make the greatest savings. Being devils advocate maybe an increase in the 414 frequency and a reduction in the 14. The are plenty of alternatives to the 6 in central London and since its re-routing away from Oxford Circus it seems to have lost loads of passengers.
So arguably these proposals are the least worst choice to save money and could have been much worse.
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Post by Trafalgax on Oct 30, 2020 16:21:15 GMT
Speaking of 94, I’ve seen that it’s BCEs have n94 on them. Are they planning on change it’s 24hr service into a night route in the future? If so, I wonder where they’ll extend it.
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Post by southlondonbus on Oct 30, 2020 16:30:24 GMT
More likely N94 is a provision if the Marble Arch cut goes ahead as in 2018 when it was decided Oxford Street would remain open the night service was planned to remain running to Piccadilly Circus.
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Post by greg on Oct 30, 2020 22:25:19 GMT
The 148 is one of those routes that's busy any time of the day or night. Should it be extended over the 94 in some form, none of the 148's original routing should be lost as a recompense for this extension. I can't see it being Acton Green to Camberwell Green. Tbh, the 148 is the only Camberwell-Westminster link and further westwards and even if it makes sense, a cut western would be better to like Shepherd’s Bush with another route replacing Shepherd’s Bush-Acton Green.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Oct 31, 2020 4:52:20 GMT
How many years has the forum been predicting the 94 withdrawal now Those of us who were London bus enthusiasts in 1982 already have experience of a route 94 (then Lewisham - Orpington) being withdrawn.
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