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Post by MKAY315 on Nov 25, 2020 16:52:14 GMT
It's with regret that Maradona has passed away at 60. To all football fans he was a big legend. His funniest moment was the hand of God. May he rest in peace.
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Post by vjaska on Nov 25, 2020 17:11:17 GMT
It's with regret that Maradona has passed away at 60. To all football fans he was a big legend. His funniest moment was the hand of God. May he rest in peace. I think big legend from my own personal point of view is stretching it - in terms of football ability, one of the best there has ever been but aside from that, a very weird & dodgy guy who had so many scandals involving drugs, cheating, the Mafia, violence, etc. to span quite a few footballers careers. |
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Post by MKAY315 on Nov 25, 2020 17:37:52 GMT
It's with regret that Maradona has passed away at 60. To all football fans he was a big legend. His funniest moment was the hand of God. May he rest in peace. I think big legend from my own personal point of view is stretching it - in terms of football ability, one of the best there has ever been but aside from that, a very weird & dodgy guy who had so many scandals involving drugs, cheating, the Mafia, violence, etc. to span quite a few footballers careers. Regardless of his outside football scandals he still was a talented footballer. Its a shame that he died at a young age. I'm hoping the pro-longed drug didn't come back on him to cause the cardiac arrest. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Nov 25, 2020 17:45:52 GMT
I think big legend from my own personal point of view is stretching it - in terms of football ability, one of the best there has ever been but aside from that, a very weird & dodgy guy who had so many scandals involving drugs, cheating, the Mafia, violence, etc. to span quite a few footballers careers. Regardless of his outside football scandals he still was a talented footballer. Its a shame that he died at a young age. I'm hoping the pro-longed drug didn't come back on him to cause the cardiac arrest. Huge loss indeed for the world, however he was still often seen smoking joints every now and again and he certainly was in very bad shape as of late. While relatively young to be dying of a heart attack, it's sadly no surprise. |
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Post by Paul on Nov 25, 2020 19:32:20 GMT
Diego Maradona was a genius. A flawed genius maybe, but a genius nonetheless. Yes, he will always be remembered for cheating in Mexico in 1986 but that game also included one of the greatest ever goals in world football as well - a classic example of the two sides to Maradona. Off the pitch he had a huge number of issues but he’ll surely be remembered as one of the greatest ever to play football - perhaps THE greatest ever
RIP Diego Maradona
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Post by greenboy on Nov 25, 2020 21:02:28 GMT
No doubting his footballing ability but for me to be talked about as a legend you have to conduct yourself properly on and off the pitch.......I don't think his passing has come as any great surprise in fact it seemed inevitable.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Nov 25, 2020 22:02:16 GMT
I think big legend from my own personal point of view is stretching it - in terms of football ability, one of the best there has ever been but aside from that, a very weird & dodgy guy who had so many scandals involving drugs, cheating, the Mafia, violence, etc. to span quite a few footballers careers. Regardless of his outside football scandals he still was a talented footballer. Its a shame that he died at a young age. I'm hoping the pro-longed drug didn't come back on him to cause the cardiac arrest. I have to agree, definite football legend. I am sure there is still sour grapes over the 86 world cup hand of God, regardless doesn't mean England would have gone on to win that world cup. George Best was also described as a legend, even after his alcohol problems. End of the day on pitch he was also a genius. |
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Post by vjaska on Nov 26, 2020 1:46:34 GMT
Regardless of his outside football scandals he still was a talented footballer. Its a shame that he died at a young age. I'm hoping the pro-longed drug didn't come back on him to cause the cardiac arrest. I have to agree, definite football legend. I am sure there is still sour grapes over the 86 world cup hand of God, regardless doesn't mean England would have gone on to win that world cup. George Best was also described as a legend, even after his alcohol problems. End of the day on pitch he was also a genius. Let's establish some things: I already said he was one of the best ability wise but that doesn't make you a legend unless your from that country or team where I can understand why Argentina or Napoli might think different - how you conduct yourself does play a part and he blatantly cheated. I have no sour grapes as I don't support England - I regularly love having a good chuckle when England get knocked out of tournaments and losing to teams they shouldn't. For me, Maradona is merely a great as a result - legend should only be reserved for those who at least have some sort of decent conduct such as Messi, Ronaldo, Eusebio, Pele, Puskas, etc. Best was an alcoholic but that really pails when compared to Maradona beating his wife, cheating in a game, violently brawling in games in Argentina, snorting cocaine and aliasing with the mafia. |
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Post by MKAY315 on Nov 26, 2020 12:45:39 GMT
I have to agree, definite football legend. I am sure there is still sour grapes over the 86 world cup hand of God, regardless doesn't mean England would have gone on to win that world cup. George Best was also described as a legend, even after his alcohol problems. End of the day on pitch he was also a genius. Let's establish some things: I already said he was one of the best ability wise but that doesn't make you a legend unless your from that country or team where I can understand why Argentina or Napoli might think different - how you conduct yourself does play a part and he blatantly cheated. I have no sour grapes as I don't support England - I regularly love having a good chuckle when England get knocked out of tournaments and losing to teams they shouldn't. For me, Maradona is merely a great as a result - legend should only be reserved for those who at least have some sort of decent conduct such as Messi, Ronaldo, Eusebio, Pele, Puskas, etc. Best was an alcoholic but that really pails when compared to Maradona beating his wife, cheating in a game, violently brawling in games in Argentina, snorting cocaine and aliasing with the mafia. If we're going to go by that theory then what about when Wayne Rooney was out in the streets shagging up old ladies. Are we not going to consider him a legend when he retires because of his outside football scandals. What about David Beckham when he cheated on his wife whilst he was at Madrid. Then you have Ryan Giggs who slept with his brother's wife but he was a talented footballer in his time. There's loads of footballers that's done a lot of scandalous stuff, some just haven't been caught yet. Even Ronaldo as good as he is I'm very sure he has loads of skeletons in his closet. Footballers are human like many of us. They do make mistakes but we cannot take away that they are a legend in their own right. They can be a legend universally and not just to their country of origin. |
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Post by vjaska on Nov 26, 2020 14:36:38 GMT
Let's establish some things: I already said he was one of the best ability wise but that doesn't make you a legend unless your from that country or team where I can understand why Argentina or Napoli might think different - how you conduct yourself does play a part and he blatantly cheated. I have no sour grapes as I don't support England - I regularly love having a good chuckle when England get knocked out of tournaments and losing to teams they shouldn't. For me, Maradona is merely a great as a result - legend should only be reserved for those who at least have some sort of decent conduct such as Messi, Ronaldo, Eusebio, Pele, Puskas, etc. Best was an alcoholic but that really pails when compared to Maradona beating his wife, cheating in a game, violently brawling in games in Argentina, snorting cocaine and aliasing with the mafia. If we're going to go by that theory then what about when Wayne Rooney was out in the streets shagging up old ladies. Are we not going to consider him a legend when he retires because of his outside football scandals. What about David Beckham when he cheated on his wife whilst he was at Madrid. Then you have Ryan Giggs who slept with his brother's wife but he was a talented footballer in his time. There's loads of footballers that's done a lot of scandalous stuff, some just haven't been caught yet. Even Ronaldo as good as he is I'm very sure he has loads of skeletons in his closet. Footballers are human like many of us. They do make mistakes but we cannot take away that they are a legend in their own right. They can be a legend universally and not just to their country of origin. It's not a theory, it's my opinion and my opinion is that to be a legend, you must at least have some decency around you - no one is perfect but equally, you can behave in the correct way a role model should. Maradona is a great IMO because of his ability but I can't call someone a legend who openly cheated in a football match and said he would of scored a second hand of god if he had the chance. Having affairs aren't great but none of the footballers you listed cheated, were involved in the Mafia or were banned for drugs - furthermore, Beckham personally was horrendously overrated as a player and was merely a set piece specialist with crossing ability so I' wouldn't call him a legend or a great. |
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Post by MKAY315 on Nov 26, 2020 15:08:53 GMT
If we're going to go by that theory then what about when Wayne Rooney was out in the streets shagging up old ladies. Are we not going to consider him a legend when he retires because of his outside football scandals. What about David Beckham when he cheated on his wife whilst he was at Madrid. Then you have Ryan Giggs who slept with his brother's wife but he was a talented footballer in his time. There's loads of footballers that's done a lot of scandalous stuff, some just haven't been caught yet. Even Ronaldo as good as he is I'm very sure he has loads of skeletons in his closet. Footballers are human like many of us. They do make mistakes but we cannot take away that they are a legend in their own right. They can be a legend universally and not just to their country of origin. It's not a theory, it's my opinion and my opinion is that to be a legend, you must at least have some decency around you - no one is perfect but equally, you can behave in the correct way a role model should. Maradona is a great IMO because of his ability but I can't call someone a legend who openly cheated in a football match and said he would of scored a second hand of god if he had the chance. Having affairs aren't great but none of the footballers you listed cheated, were involved in the Mafia or were banned for drugs - furthermore, Beckham personally was horrendously overrated as a player and was merely a set piece specialist with crossing ability so I' wouldn't call him a legend or a great. Again I did say there are so many footballers out there that haven't been outed yet. Maybe when they've retired you'll get to know the other side. You mentioned about being banned from drugs. Rio Ferdinand was an example of an individual who was a good defender but had a scandalous life. Doing sex parties with Frank Lampard and Keiron Dyer, got banned for a season because of a failed drug test, cheated on his wife who had cancer before she passed away. I can give you countless examples of footballers that are considered legends but had a checkered life outside of football. A legend is someone who is well known for things. Irrespective of how you feel whether you feel as though he isn't considered as one because of his actions it's that very reason he is a legend. I'm not saying that he didn't have some bad moments but you cannot say he is not a legend because he didn't set a good example to people. Being a legend doesn't just include the good it also includes the bad. I can't lie I spat my drink out of laughter when I saw your David Beckham post hahahahaha. |
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Post by vjaska on Nov 26, 2020 15:32:35 GMT
It's not a theory, it's my opinion and my opinion is that to be a legend, you must at least have some decency around you - no one is perfect but equally, you can behave in the correct way a role model should. Maradona is a great IMO because of his ability but I can't call someone a legend who openly cheated in a football match and said he would of scored a second hand of god if he had the chance. Having affairs aren't great but none of the footballers you listed cheated, were involved in the Mafia or were banned for drugs - furthermore, Beckham personally was horrendously overrated as a player and was merely a set piece specialist with crossing ability so I' wouldn't call him a legend or a great. Again I did say there are so many footballers out there that haven't been outed yet. Maybe when they've retired you'll get to know the other side. You mentioned about being banned from drugs. Rio Ferdinand was an example of an individual who was a good defender but had a scandalous life. Doing sex parties with Frank Lampard and Keiron Dyer, got banned for a season because of a failed drug test, cheated on his wife who had cancer before she passed away. I can give you countless examples of footballers that are considered legends but had a checkered life outside of football. A legend is someone who is well known for things. Irrespective of how you feel whether you feel as though he isn't considered as one because of his actions it's that very reason he is a legend. I'm not saying that he didn't have some bad moments but you cannot say he is not a legend because he didn't set a good example to people. Being a legend doesn't just include the good it also includes the bad. I can't lie I spat my drink out of laughter when I saw your David Beckham post hahahahaha. Again, the misdemeanors you listed are not on the level of Maradona and in the case of Ferdinand, yes he cheated on his wife but long before she had cancer and I believe before they were even married (there was the alleged 13 year affair but has only ever been alleged and never proven) and she decided to stick by him in any event. As for the failed drug test, he was actually banned for missing a drugs test not failing one - I remember it well being the season we did the unbeaten title. |
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Post by MKAY315 on Nov 26, 2020 16:28:44 GMT
Again I did say there are so many footballers out there that haven't been outed yet. Maybe when they've retired you'll get to know the other side. You mentioned about being banned from drugs. Rio Ferdinand was an example of an individual who was a good defender but had a scandalous life. Doing sex parties with Frank Lampard and Keiron Dyer, got banned for a season because of a failed drug test, cheated on his wife who had cancer before she passed away. I can give you countless examples of footballers that are considered legends but had a checkered life outside of football. A legend is someone who is well known for things. Irrespective of how you feel whether you feel as though he isn't considered as one because of his actions it's that very reason he is a legend. I'm not saying that he didn't have some bad moments but you cannot say he is not a legend because he didn't set a good example to people. Being a legend doesn't just include the good it also includes the bad. I can't lie I spat my drink out of laughter when I saw your David Beckham post hahahahaha. Again, the misdemeanors you listed are not on the level of Maradona and in the case of Ferdinand, yes he cheated on his wife but long before she had cancer and I believe before they were even married (there was the alleged 13 year affair but has only ever been alleged and never proven) and she decided to stick by him in any event. As for the failed drug test, he was actually banned for missing a drugs test not failing one - I remember it well being the season we did the unbeaten title. That was an error on my part for the drug test for Ferdinand however. The Ryan Giggs situation was a really bad one. It's one thing to be in Mafia and it's another thing to sleep with your brothers wife. Would I say that was foul play for Giggs as an individual of course I would. I would also credit him to be a Man Utd legend because of how much he gave to that club during his time there. We can't be talking about who's worse than the other when they're both as bad as each other in terms of their outside life. A legend is someone who is known in their respective field. It didn't say someone that is good or bad. It means someone that is well known in their field. That is my summary. |
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Post by busman on Nov 26, 2020 19:26:48 GMT
Keeping aside judgment over the mans life, he was a genius on the football pitch. One of the greatest football players to ever play the game. Can’t we just leave it at that and save the heavily caveated praise for someone who claims to be a role model?
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Post by capitalomnibus on Nov 29, 2020 23:56:51 GMT
If we're going to go by that theory then what about when Wayne Rooney was out in the streets shagging up old ladies. Are we not going to consider him a legend when he retires because of his outside football scandals. What about David Beckham when he cheated on his wife whilst he was at Madrid. Then you have Ryan Giggs who slept with his brother's wife but he was a talented footballer in his time. There's loads of footballers that's done a lot of scandalous stuff, some just haven't been caught yet. Even Ronaldo as good as he is I'm very sure he has loads of skeletons in his closet. Footballers are human like many of us. They do make mistakes but we cannot take away that they are a legend in their own right. They can be a legend universally and not just to their country of origin. It's not a theory, it's my opinion and my opinion is that to be a legend, you must at least have some decency around you - no one is perfect but equally, you can behave in the correct way a role model should. Maradona is a great IMO because of his ability but I can't call someone a legend who openly cheated in a football match and said he would of scored a second hand of god if he had the chance. Having affairs aren't great but none of the footballers you listed cheated, were involved in the Mafia or were banned for drugs - furthermore, Beckham personally was horrendously overrated as a player and was merely a set piece specialist with crossing ability so I' wouldn't call him a legend or a great. Well people would say Gazza is a legend and he has had all sorts of problems over the years, domestic violence, public indecency, alcohol, drug problems etc. Seems to be the curse of playing in Italy. Regardless of this, I would still see him as a legend. |
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