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Post by nigel on Nov 30, 2020 16:39:09 GMT
Just wondering what a driver is officially supposed to do when he/she has passed a road he/she was supposed to turn into. I was on a single decker today that passed his left turn, screeched to a halt and carefully did a three point turn in the road. Quickest way to resolve the mistake but is it officially allowed. Is a driver in such a situation permitted to take the bus down roads normally unused by buses to get back onto the proper routeing?
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Post by M1104 on Nov 30, 2020 18:09:44 GMT
Just wondering what a driver is officially supposed to do when he/she has passed a road he/she was supposed to turn into. I was on a single decker today that passed his left turn, screeched to a halt and carefully did a three point turn in the road. Quickest way to resolve the mistake but is it officially allowed. Is a driver in such a situation permitted to take the bus down roads normally unused by buses to get back onto the proper routeing? The driver should ideally inform their local depot or do a code red/blue¹ that they have missed a turn for advice on how to put them back on line of route, especially if one would have to go a long way to do so. By informing the necessary authorities you cover yourself should there be an accident along the way. Also the relevant authorities can double-deck the roads you'd need to divert along to make sure your bus is safe to drive along to get back on the proper route. A three point turn is inadvisable as bus drivers are not allowed to reverse their bus with passengers on board without a responsible person to guide them back. ¹ - depending on situation
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Post by redbus on Nov 30, 2020 18:34:42 GMT
Just wondering what a driver is officially supposed to do when he/she has passed a road he/she was supposed to turn into. I was on a single decker today that passed his left turn, screeched to a halt and carefully did a three point turn in the road. Quickest way to resolve the mistake but is it officially allowed. Is a driver in such a situation permitted to take the bus down roads normally unused by buses to get back onto the proper routeing? The driver should ideally inform their local depot or do a code red/blue¹ that they have missed a turn for advice on how to put them back on line of route, especially if one would have to go a long way to do so. By informing the necessary authorities you cover yourself should there be an accident along the way. Also the relevant authorities can double-deck the roads you'd need to divert along to make sure your bus is safe to drive along to get back on the proper route. A three point turn is inadvisable as bus drivers are not allowed to reverse their bus with passengers on board without a responsible person to guide them back. ¹ - depending on situation Interesting. Not so long ago I was on a 189 going down Kilburn High Road towards Marble Arch that missed the Quex Road turning. The driver quickly realised his mistake and took the bus to Kilburn Park (the 32 stand) so he could turn around, go back up Kilburn High Road and turn right back into Quex Road. Quick thinking by the driver only using roads that buses already use. I don't know if he did this in consultation with the depot via a code blue, but all he lost was time.
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Post by LJ17THF on Nov 30, 2020 18:58:30 GMT
Just wondering what a driver is officially supposed to do when he/she has passed a road he/she was supposed to turn into. I was on a single decker today that passed his left turn, screeched to a halt and carefully did a three point turn in the road. Quickest way to resolve the mistake but is it officially allowed. Is a driver in such a situation permitted to take the bus down roads normally unused by buses to get back onto the proper routeing? It can depend, if it were a route on a main road, with back roads that would lead back onto the route, then it would be possible, so long as the bus can fit and that they know what the routing is. I don't think either one of these are officially allowed, but perhaps the driver is meant to do what they feel is possible, like a 3-point turn wouldn't really be possible in a DD on a main road, but it would be possible to do it on a road that is wide enough to fit that bus and isn't as busy. I think what they are supposed to do is to turn the bus around at the nearest stand, but not too sure.
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Post by DT 11 on Nov 30, 2020 19:34:26 GMT
Just wondering what a driver is officially supposed to do when he/she has passed a road he/she was supposed to turn into. I was on a single decker today that passed his left turn, screeched to a halt and carefully did a three point turn in the road. Quickest way to resolve the mistake but is it officially allowed. Is a driver in such a situation permitted to take the bus down roads normally unused by buses to get back onto the proper routeing? Interesting subject. Funny enough I saw a 291 heading to QEH turn into Polytechnic Street today, driver must have thought they were doing the 178. Some wrong turns are easy to correct. A few times I’ve made a wrong turn or almost made a wrong turn. I was doing a 229 once heading to QMH just leaving Erith. I turned right into Fraser Road and someone shouted ldriver this is 229” and stopped the bus, I even realised I made the wrong turn before anyone said anything, so I put out an announcement saying sorry I made a mistake and I do the 99 sometimes I’m gonna turn the bus around at the next roundabout and put the bus right.
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Post by beaver14uk on Nov 30, 2020 19:44:07 GMT
178 doesn't go that way does it? uote author=" DT 11" source="/post/606583/thread" timestamp="1606764866"] Just wondering what a driver is officially supposed to do when he/she has passed a road he/she was supposed to turn into. I was on a single decker today that passed his left turn, screeched to a halt and carefully did a three point turn in the road. Quickest way to resolve the mistake but is it officially allowed. Is a driver in such a situation permitted to take the bus down roads normally unused by buses to get back onto the proper routeing? Interesting subject. Funny enough I saw a 291 heading to QEH turn into Polytechnic Street today, driver must have thought they were doing the 178. Some wrong turns are easy to correct. A few times I’ve made a wrong turn or almost made a wrong turn. I was doing a 229 once heading to QMH just leaving Erith. I turned right into Fraser Road and someone shouted ldriver this is 229” and stopped the bus, I even realised I made the wrong turn before anyone said anything, so I put out an announcement saying sorry I made a mistake and I do the 99 sometimes I’m gonna turn the bus around at the next roundabout and put the bus right. [/quote]
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Post by DT 11 on Nov 30, 2020 20:50:40 GMT
178 doesn't go that way does it? uote author=" DT 11" source="/post/606583/thread" timestamp="1606764866"] Just wondering what a driver is officially supposed to do when he/she has passed a road he/she was supposed to turn into. I was on a single decker today that passed his left turn, screeched to a halt and carefully did a three point turn in the road. Quickest way to resolve the mistake but is it officially allowed. Is a driver in such a situation permitted to take the bus down roads normally unused by buses to get back onto the proper routeing? Interesting subject. Funny enough I saw a 291 heading to QEH turn into Polytechnic Street today, driver must have thought they were doing the 178. Some wrong turns are easy to correct. A few times I’ve made a wrong turn or almost made a wrong turn. I was doing a 229 once heading to QMH just leaving Erith. I turned right into Fraser Road and someone shouted ldriver this is 229” and stopped the bus, I even realised I made the wrong turn before anyone said anything, so I put out an announcement saying sorry I made a mistake and I do the 99 sometimes I’m gonna turn the bus around at the next roundabout and put the bus right. [/quote] To the Bus stand it does yes
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Post by M1104 on Nov 30, 2020 21:22:16 GMT
178 doesn't go that way does it? uote author=" DT 11" source="/post/606583/thread" timestamp="1606764866"] Just wondering what a driver is officially supposed to do when he/she has passed a road he/she was supposed to turn into. I was on a single decker today that passed his left turn, screeched to a halt and carefully did a three point turn in the road. Quickest way to resolve the mistake but is it officially allowed. Is a driver in such a situation permitted to take the bus down roads normally unused by buses to get back onto the proper routeing? Interesting subject. Funny enough I saw a 291 heading to QEH turn into Polytechnic Street today, driver must have thought they were doing the 178. Some wrong turns are easy to correct. A few times I’ve made a wrong turn or almost made a wrong turn. I was doing a 229 once heading to QMH just leaving Erith. I turned right into Fraser Road and someone shouted ldriver this is 229” and stopped the bus, I even realised I made the wrong turn before anyone said anything, so I put out an announcement saying sorry I made a mistake and I do the 99 sometimes I’m gonna turn the bus around at the next roundabout and put the bus right. [/quote] Merton Garage used to have the 44 and 77 on the same duty card¹...one route, meal relief then the other route. These routes both start from Tooting Station and run together through Tooting Broadway along Garrate Lane to Earlsfield Station where the 44 continues straight and the 77 does a right turn. At that point is where drivers have to remember which route they're doing as there's no nearby place to correct one's self. At Stockwell Garage (many moons back) it was similar practice with the 49 and² 344, both then starting from Clapham Junction³ and running together up til Battersea Latchmere where drivers need to remember their 49 turns left with their 344 continuing straight. To complicate things the 337 was also included on some duty cards as one of the two routes...where one driver went all the way to South Kensington as a 49 before realising he was supposed to have reblinded his bus for his second half as a 337. ¹ - sometimes using the same bus ² - always using the same bus ³‐ St John's Hill bus stand for 49/344
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Post by greenboy on Dec 1, 2020 10:12:50 GMT
Just wondering what a driver is officially supposed to do when he/she has passed a road he/she was supposed to turn into. I was on a single decker today that passed his left turn, screeched to a halt and carefully did a three point turn in the road. Quickest way to resolve the mistake but is it officially allowed. Is a driver in such a situation permitted to take the bus down roads normally unused by buses to get back onto the proper routeing? I suppose it depends on location and circumstances, if there is an obvious means of turning around such as a roundabout the driver can just carry on but if they're unsure it's best to call in rather than compound things further.
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Post by 6HP502C on Dec 1, 2020 22:38:44 GMT
It's a dangerous game to officially allow drivers to correct themselves. Some will panic, go down roads the bus doesn't fit down and cause damage or block the road.
On TfL rail replacement routes the instruction is to stop and call the garage. The less said about this however, the better. Sometimes there are unplanned road closures by the police and no help is available via the radio. At the same time, going off route without authority from a controller or TfL is a serious disciplinary matter - and this is followed up as deviations from line of route are automatically flagged by TfL.
On National Rail rail replacement routes there is not much help available. It's part and parcel of the job and drivers are expected to know how to deal with it. Which is why there's usually a requirement for a certain type of experience.
I've been on quite a few service buses that have strayed off route - some drivers do three (or six or ten point turns) to turn around, others ask passengers for help, some stop and wait for instructions and some keep going until an accident happens.
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Post by Pilot on Dec 2, 2020 11:00:59 GMT
Official way for TFL bus driver is to contact your controller via iBus and explain the situation, he will then give you official directions on how to get back to line of route, the downside of this is that the driver will most likely get reported for it, but honestly it's a slap on a wrist at best, but still many drivers don't want that...that is why a lot of drivers in these situations try to resolve a problem themselves without letting anyone know and do 3 point turn or u-turn and 90% of the time they will get away with it without iBus or garage ever finding it out. Some garages punish drivers more than others, so it just depends, but honestly it's just a mistake and not end of the world, things happen especially if you are doing a lot of routes.
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Post by danorak on Dec 2, 2020 14:13:18 GMT
I've been on a 486 that missed the turn into Charlton Church Lane and ended up doing a three point turn outside Cherry Orchard. I also once ended up directing a 202 driver to the roundabout at the Sun in the Sands when the traffic across Blackheath was at a standstill and he made a horlicks of turning at the roundabout on the heath.
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Post by vjaska on Dec 2, 2020 14:34:58 GMT
Official way for TFL bus driver is to contact your controller via iBus and explain the situation, he will then give you official directions on how to get back to line of route, the downside of this is that the driver will most likely get reported for it, but honestly it's a slap on a wrist at best, but still many drivers don't want that...that is why a lot of drivers in these situations try to resolve a problem themselves without letting anyone know and do 3 point turn or u-turn and 90% of the time they will get away with it without iBus or garage ever finding it out. Some garages punish drivers more than others, so it just depends, but honestly it's just a mistake and not end of the world, things happen especially if you are doing a lot of routes. It does seem a bit harsh if someone takes a wrong turn and they get punished for it - makes sense why drivers decide to to rectify the situation themselves if that's what happens to them once they return. I'd of thought a simple chat with the driver is all that would needed and no more than that?
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Post by TP1 on Dec 2, 2020 15:30:11 GMT
Official way for TFL bus driver is to contact your controller via iBus and explain the situation, he will then give you official directions on how to get back to line of route, the downside of this is that the driver will most likely get reported for it, but honestly it's a slap on a wrist at best, but still many drivers don't want that...that is why a lot of drivers in these situations try to resolve a problem themselves without letting anyone know and do 3 point turn or u-turn and 90% of the time they will get away with it without iBus or garage ever finding it out. Some garages punish drivers more than others, so it just depends, but honestly it's just a mistake and not end of the world, things happen especially if you are doing a lot of routes. It does seem a bit harsh if someone takes a wrong turn and they get punished for it - makes sense why drivers decide to to rectify the situation themselves if that's what happens to them once they return. I'd of thought a simple chat with the driver is all that would needed and no more than that? I think drivers put the fear in themselves at times. I recall having a diversion on the 76 at St Pauls which sent us (towards Waterloo) down the A40 and Snow Hill. The diversion was planned but not marked and the turning was easily missed. I and several others missed the turn which lead to many panicking the next day. Ultimately nothing happened due to the amount of drivers who missed the turn.
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Post by rambo on Dec 3, 2020 21:46:00 GMT
Done it a few times, I just told the passengers that ive missed the turn, then reversed into a side turning or a 3 point turn or spin it around in a petrol garage.
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