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Post by capitalomnibus on Mar 22, 2021 13:42:56 GMT
You forget that the Red Arrows and night buses have been retained at the behest of the Government, who are paying buses to operate with reduced capacity to allow essential journeys to take place whilst allowing for social distancing. As it happens, both Red Arrows appear to be in line for future frequency reductions - a quite severe one in the case of the 521. Anyone living in East London would take issue with your assertion that West London is being "singled out". They lost the 48 and the 25 is a shadow of what it once was. I think the huge issue with East London is how many decent links can be provided with Central London with just some around the simple changes. Just simple things can include 8/205 to Stratford - just one of the two, probably 8 115 to Barking - It'll add three stops overall to the route, the 115 is just a bit irritating at the moment diving down High Street South to terminate in a very random place 339 to Tower Gateway - would much rather this than the route sent to Whipps Cross, it can just go down the Highway. 388/241 merged with the 388 cut to Liverpool St - I think the 388 is a dead man walking, but with a cut to Liverpool St and a merger with the 241 you'd be able to give people a link from the Custom House area to central London, and while indirect it'd be a link nonetheless. 242 to Leyton, Downsell Road - could probably just send this route through the Lea Interchange Trouble is many people do not bother, and using journey planner is a joke which gives too many longer than normal options. The majority of the network, especially in East London is set up to make you use the Underground. It is no wonder the Underground is so busy and overloaded. The only real reason for this it appears is to gain more revenue. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Mar 22, 2021 13:52:11 GMT
Whislt social distancing remains so will working from home as its the easiest way to keep crowds down which will mean continued drop in revenue. This again will continue to hit routes in the City but also ones serving mainline terminals. Working from home is destroying so many business and can't be sustained especially with home testing being widely available now. We are one year into the pandemic now and need to try and make a return to normal. The country is becoming restless look at Bristol this evening. I would say what happened in Bristol is more the case of anarchists and anti capitalists. The ones that seem to want to do a protest every other week under some different pseudonym and infiltrate other movements and try to take over! |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Mar 22, 2021 14:01:05 GMT
Going back to offices is not a switch on switch off process. It will probably take months for most people to be back fully in their offices. For me I enjoy working at home and I will push for it as much as possible because I can’t be arsed to commute anymore. The idea of getting up at 6.30 to get ready and get to the station by 7.30 to get to work for 8.15 just seems so tedious now. I will do it if that is what my employer wants but there are better solutions out there. Which is fine if that works for you and I'm not criticising you in the slightest but my argument is that if that remains the case then why should I have to pay higher fares to travel to work or my taxes be used for a government grant to keep high freq services into central London. If demand will be less as people of Newington Green decide to home work more then the notion that the 21 and 141 are needed between there and London Bridge is less as an example. I see @busenthusiast56 point, because the majority of offices have a 9 to 5 or 8 to 4 format which is what creates that hostility commuting and packed. Even more so as so much of it is in central London. Then we now have the mayor wanting to make zone 1 at Canary Wharf area. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Mar 22, 2021 14:03:31 GMT
The J###YRM Olympians were very fast, would pee over some of the buses we have today, but the Dennis Arrows were out of this world, had a few rides on the 123 in the evening with them, d*mn it was ferocious. Which J-YRM Olympians are you referring to. I know the 123 had that batch and the 212 also had that batch as well but in the northern counties palatine body form The all Leyland ones on the 123, the NC Palatine 1 batch on the 212 were the same engines etc and were fast. |
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Post by MKAY315 on Mar 22, 2021 14:33:03 GMT
I don't wish to sound too personal but it's almost like you are happy about the fact that people are not returning "back" to work. From a transport perspective it might be exciting as it creates changes and cute to the network but once service is gone its gone for good. In someway its madness what the pandemic has caused. I think we bounded back better after the second World War. Going back to offices is not a switch on switch off process. It will probably take months for most people to be back fully in their offices. For me I enjoy working at home and I will push for it as much as possible because I can’t be arsed to commute anymore. The idea of getting up at 6.30 to get ready and get to the station by 7.30 to get to work for 8.15 just seems so tedious now. I will do it if that is what my employer wants but there are better solutions out there. I get it however there may come a point where some of those people who would like to work from home full time will hit a crossroad. The options would be to either meet a common ground or get given their marching orders and given the way this economy has been hit unless one has a huge amount of money put away to sustain them for a while this is not the time for a person to be out of a job. |
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Post by southlondonbus on Mar 22, 2021 14:43:58 GMT
Obviously the papers use the mroe extreme examples to garn headlines such as a man who has moved with his family to Broadstairs from London as now feels he will only visit the office twice a week. In reality if he wanted a new job it probably wouldn't do any favours at the interview if he says he only wants to come in 2 days a week due to his new lifestyle choice.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Mar 22, 2021 16:34:05 GMT
I don't wish to sound too personal but it's almost like you are happy about the fact that people are not returning "back" to work. From a transport perspective it might be exciting as it creates changes and cute to the network but once service is gone its gone for good. In someway its madness what the pandemic has caused. I think we bounded back better after the second World War. Going back to offices is not a switch on switch off process. It will probably take months for most people to be back fully in their offices. For me I enjoy working at home and I will push for it as much as possible because I can’t be arsed to commute anymore. The idea of getting up at 6.30 to get ready and get to the station by 7.30 to get to work for 8.15 just seems so tedious now. I will do it if that is what my employer wants but there are better solutions out there. I think a later start would certainly be of better interest, such as instead of 8:30 maybe 9:30 or 10 |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2021 16:39:42 GMT
Going back to offices is not a switch on switch off process. It will probably take months for most people to be back fully in their offices. For me I enjoy working at home and I will push for it as much as possible because I can’t be arsed to commute anymore. The idea of getting up at 6.30 to get ready and get to the station by 7.30 to get to work for 8.15 just seems so tedious now. I will do it if that is what my employer wants but there are better solutions out there. I think a later start would certainly be of better interest, such as instead of 8:30 maybe 9:30 or 10 But then you have to work later and that would be just as awful. I personally wouldn’t want to be at work at 10 and stay until 6.30pm. |
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Post by evergreenadam on Mar 22, 2021 17:22:12 GMT
Which is fine if that works for you and I'm not criticising you in the slightest but my argument is that if that remains the case then why should I have to pay higher fares to travel to work or my taxes be used for a government grant to keep high freq services into central London. If demand will be less as people of Newington Green decide to home work more then the notion that the 21 and 141 are needed between there and London Bridge is less as an example. I see @busenthusiast56 point, because the majority of offices have a 9 to 5 or 8 to 4 format which is what creates that hostility commuting and packed. Even more so as so much of it is in central London. Then we now have the mayor wanting to make zone 1 at Canary Wharf area. Putting Canary Wharf in zone 1 would presumably involve creating a detached part of zone 1 rather than extending zone 1 all the way out to the east? It would penalise a lot of people making local journeys whichever option was chosen, including north - south journeys on the DLR. |
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Post by wirewiper on Mar 22, 2021 17:26:09 GMT
I see @busenthusiast56 point, because the majority of offices have a 9 to 5 or 8 to 4 format which is what creates that hostility commuting and packed. Even more so as so much of it is in central London. Then we now have the mayor wanting to make zone 1 at Canary Wharf area. Putting Canary Wharf in zone 1 would presumably involve creating a detached part of zone 1 rather than extending zone 1 all the way out to the east? It would penalise a lot of people making local journeys whichever option was chosen, including north - south journeys on the DLR. That's the whole point - get a load of people paying zone 1 fares where they don't currently. This is exactly the same reason that Shoreditch High Street was put into zone 1. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Mar 22, 2021 23:29:03 GMT
Putting Canary Wharf in zone 1 would presumably involve creating a detached part of zone 1 rather than extending zone 1 all the way out to the east? It would penalise a lot of people making local journeys whichever option was chosen, including north - south journeys on the DLR. That's the whole point - get a load of people paying zone 1 fares where they don't currently. This is exactly the same reason that Shoreditch High Street was put into zone 1. I do not get the mentality of doing this, when over previous years we recently had places such as Stratford been made zone 2/3 and one more other places. Surely this was a stupid thing to do then. |
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Post by elcesteem16 on Mar 23, 2021 15:56:12 GMT
Based on other schemes like Finchley round id say Jamaica Road (47, 188, 381) and possibly Lewisham to TL (47, 54, 136, 199, 208 and 75, 171, 185, 320 part of stretch) with Shoreditch to LB (35, 47, 149, 388 also at risk. It survived last time but I'd say Piccadilly/Shaftsbury Avenue aswell (14, 19, 38) and maybe the Strand aswell. If adequate stand space could be made at Catford savings could be made as the 47, 171 & 199 could be cut back to The Catford Centre Or you could terminate the 171 at Catford Bridge, Thomas Lane? There will be a development soon changing the gyratory and the Milford towers so a road plan can be made to up the capacity of the stands. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Mar 23, 2021 17:38:02 GMT
If adequate stand space could be made at Catford savings could be made as the 47, 171 & 199 could be cut back to The Catford Centre Or you could terminate the 171 at Catford Bridge, Thomas Lane? There will be a development soon changing the gyratory and the Milford towers so a road plan can be made to up the capacity of the stands. Not sure what the situation with the 171 is, but I think there's a reason it doesn't already terminate at Catford Bridge if it continues to Bellingham garage. The actual tender specified stand is Catford Bridge but its always awarded on the basis of standing in TL, suggesting that either the Bridge stand is full or TL works out cheaper for some reason. |
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Post by vjaska on Mar 23, 2021 18:33:18 GMT
If adequate stand space could be made at Catford savings could be made as the 47, 171 & 199 could be cut back to The Catford Centre Or you could terminate the 171 at Catford Bridge, Thomas Lane? There will be a development soon changing the gyratory and the Milford towers so a road plan can be made to up the capacity of the stands. Good luck with the 171’s if they terminate there what with all that traffic there. |
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Post by southlondonbus on Mar 23, 2021 18:54:21 GMT
Terminating at TL does create some good links as opposed to everything going past TL heading to Lewisham.
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