Bexleybus

[vjaska]

Mar 14, 2021 3:15:44 GMT buspete said:

I thought it did, but a fellow board member seems to dither. So originally the 492 wouldn’t have served Crayford at all?

There are roughly 12 buses an hour between Crayford and Dartford. Whilst where the 492 serves is only 2 buses an hour, which I would have thought there would be wriggle room for improvement there. Recently there were proposals to terminate the 428 at Crayford.

The proposals you mention were met with strong backlash and subsequently dropped - of the 12 buses, 8 are for the very busy 96 with 4 coming from the 428 which seems reasonable to me. As for the 492, I suspect 3 buses an hour may actually be a case of overbussing given a number of people on here would of happily removed it's deckers or cut it up altogether.

[beaver14uk]

Yes I would have served Crayford but terminated at Dartford.


uote author="buspete" source="/post/625059/thread" timestamp="1615691744"]I thought it did, but a fellow board member seems to dither. So originally the 492 wouldn’t have served Crayford at all?

There are roughly 12 buses an hour between Crayford and Dartford. Whilst where the 492 serves is only 2 buses an hour, which I would have thought there would be wriggle room for improvement there. Recently there were proposals to terminate the 428 at Crayford.[/quote]

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Mar 14, 2021 3:15:44 GMT buspete said:

I thought it did, but a fellow board member seems to dither. So originally the 492 wouldn’t have served Crayford at all?

I assume it would have ran between Crayford and Dartford via Crayford Way, Thames Road and Burnham Road.

[buspete]

I just think if you take a bus to wear people actually live as the 492 does, instead of main roads, more people would use it.

[vjaska]

Mar 15, 2021 1:59:25 GMT buspete said:

I just think if you take a bus to wear people actually live as the 492 does, instead of main roads, more people would use it.

Could you give any examples because I don't quite follow? The section between Princes Road & Crayford and between Crayford & Bexleyheath Garage is not main roads and runs through residential areas where people live whilst the section between Bexleyheath & Sidcup is the only realistic way of serving the North Cray Road area as well as Foots Cray?

[buspete]

Dartford Road where the 96/428 runs is what I mean by a main road, where the 492 runs is what I man by residential. I would say that people walk up to Dartford Road to catch a bus as they know there will be a bus in a few minutes, rather than wait at a bus stop closer to their home, for a bus you can wait over 20 minutes for.

[vjaska]

Mar 16, 2021 23:15:19 GMT buspete said:

Dartford Road where the 96/428 runs is what I mean by a main road, where the 492 runs is what I man by residential. I would say that people walk up to Dartford Road to catch a bus as they know there will be a bus in a few minutes, rather than wait at a bus stop closer to their home, for a bus you can wait over 20 minutes for.

They might do but they also might abstain from doing so because they either will have a better chance at boarding the 492 over the 96 because of how busy it gets or they might not feel comfortable walking to another stop. Remember that people who live on low frequency routes tend to know the timetable and so would unlikely be actually waiting a long period of time for the bus.

[buspete]

Do we know for sure that people on infrequent bus routes know the bus times, given that TFL do not publish timetables anymore? Do we also know that the 96/428 gets busy between Crayford and Dartford? It could be possible that the 96 and 428 get busy on other parts of the route.

[vjaska]

Mar 18, 2021 1:35:55 GMT buspete said:

Do we know for sure that people on infrequent bus routes know the bus times, given that TFL do not publish timetables anymore? Do we also know that the 96/428 gets busy between Crayford and Dartford? It could be possible that the 96 and 428 get busy on other parts of the route.

If you live or have some sort of experience down that way, then you would know that the 96 is busy throughout it's routing including beyond Crayford - I didn't say the 428 was busy either.

And to clarify further, I said "tend to know timetables" which is rather different from "know for sure". Timetables are still displayed at bus stops, a google search will find a current timetable no problem and even on some apps themselves, timetables can be displayed so whilst the shoddy TfL website continues to be a let down, there are other avenues to obtain the information with relative ease.

[southlondonbus]

Just taking a picture of your bus stop timetable is another good way of knowing when an infrequent service is coming.

[buspete]

From 12th April Go Coaches is introducing a new timetable on bus route 429, however a lot of the services are being discontinued, Joyden Wood is going to loose most of their bus service.

[busman]

Mar 30, 2021 2:49:43 GMT buspete said:

From 12th April Go Coaches is introducing a new timetable on bus route 429, however a lot of the services are being discontinued, Joyden Wood is going to loose most of their bus service.

That’s quite a drastic cut. Not even an option to do on-demand. I wonder if services will be restored once the pandemic subsides and travel starts getting back to normal?

The area between Crayford, Joydens Wood and Orpington suffers from being right on the border of TfL territory. TfL policy is not conducive to private operators running services into TfL territory, and TfL are increasingly unwilling to fill those gaps. For reliable links further into the boroughs of Dartford and Sevenoaks, it really necessitate a car (or two) per household.

[Deleted]

Mar 30, 2021 2:49:43 GMT buspete said:

From 12th April Go Coaches is introducing a new timetable on bus route 429, however a lot of the services are being discontinued, Joyden Wood is going to loose most of their bus service.

Wow that’s a shocking cut. Sunday services are gone. Only 3 services per day doing the full route from West Kingsdown to Dartford, and only 2 per day going back the full route. The last one of the day leaving Dartford at 12.30pm!

This leaves Swanley with only two regular bus services (233 & 477). It’s going to leave Farningham & West Kingsdown residents without cars very isolated. The B12 is officially a lifeline to Joydens Wood.

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Mar 31, 2021 0:30:49 GMT @dillon95 said:

Mar 30, 2021 2:49:43 GMT buspete said:

From 12th April Go Coaches is introducing a new timetable on bus route 429, however a lot of the services are being discontinued, Joyden Wood is going to loose most of their bus service.

Wow that’s a shocking cut. Sunday services are gone. Only 3 services per day doing the full route from West Kingsdown to Dartford, and only 2 per day going back the full route. The last one of the day leaving Dartford at 12.30pm!

This leaves Swanley with only two regular bus services (233 & 477). It’s going to leave Farningham & West Kingsdown residents without cars very isolated. The B12 is officially a lifeline to Joydens Wood.

Then people say we can't cut this or that in London. They don't know what an overprivileged position they live in.

[​galwhv69]

Mar 31, 2021 9:12:05 GMT SILENCED said:

Mar 31, 2021 0:30:49 GMT @dillon95 said:

Wow that’s a shocking cut. Sunday services are gone. Only 3 services per day doing the full route from West Kingsdown to Dartford, and only 2 per day going back the full route. The last one of the day leaving Dartford at 12.30pm!

This leaves Swanley with only two regular bus services (233 & 477). It’s going to leave Farningham & West Kingsdown residents without cars very isolated. The B12 is officially a lifeline to Joydens Wood.

Then people say we can't cut this or that in London. They don't know what an overprivileged position they live in.

Overpriviliged? Or maybe we just have a (fairly) adequate system for an ever expanding capital city with 9+ million residents. Wouldn't call that an overprivilige. More like a public service that's needed