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Post by capitalomnibus on Mar 16, 2021 23:44:30 GMT
I do find it slightly ridiculous he even has the nerve to say this Continually politicising the case, and also dragging Khan into it. He clearly seems to be unaware of the Met Police having independence over its decisions and report to the home office as opposed to the GLA. I'm starting to wonder if he's even fit to be on the GLA, let alone even running for the Mayor's office. Nothing wrong with this, after all Khan has done the same many times before to other politicians, sorry but Khan's poo doesn't smell sweeter than any other politician. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Mar 16, 2021 23:45:28 GMT
bahahahaha, omg at Cresida man hood, that is hillarious.  |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Mar 16, 2021 23:50:14 GMT
Publicly it's not a good look given he is running for office but TBH, that's probably the least offensive thing I've seen him say and in fact, I was speaking to a customer about it given it's a hot topic due to being almost on my doorstep and what he said is pretty much what some are echoing in that people fear for their safety and lets be frank, this is in an area known far and wide for this sort of thing to commonly happen be it a shooting, stabbing or disappearance. I did find it odd that Khan decided to let everyone know he walks along Poynders Road regularly - I find that hard to believe personally but whatever  Whilst I shouldn't comment on the case and obviously, my thoughts to her and the family, ever since the news showed a map of her path she was walking, it doesn't exactly add up. Her final destination was Brixton, apparently somewhere almost next to where I live yet she chose to walk towards Clapham Park from Clapham Common rather than take the most direct route to Brixton via Acre Lane or cut across Kings Avenue and the backs roads next to Brixton Hill which makes me think something else might be at play here. You mentioned something which had been lurking at the back of my mind. I like poring over maps and I also had the same impression - if you are walking at 21:30 or so, poynders road is a touch off route. It’s a very indirect route to be honest Of course the police reaction should have been better. One needs to be able to read the public mind frankly - if the accused is a serving police officer I would certainly not have been going almost attacking protestors frankly - this isn’t the anti-mask brigade for heaven’s sake I think there are a lot of unanswered questions. Why did she take that unusual route. Was she out to meet the officer and someone else. Did the officer know her before the incident. Did the officer make threats towards her before. Why was the officer exposing himself to a certain person. How did he get the head injury in a prison cell. The media needs to find these things out, as they already have painted their own version of events as to what happened, leading people to perceive she was just randomly set up on walking down the street. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Mar 17, 2021 0:12:27 GMT
You mentioned something which had been lurking at the back of my mind. I like poring over maps and I also had the same impression - if you are walking at 21:30 or so, poynders road is a touch off route. It’s a very indirect route to be honest Of course the police reaction should have been better. One needs to be able to read the public mind frankly - if the accused is a serving police officer I would certainly not have been going almost attacking protestors frankly - this isn’t the anti-mask brigade for heaven’s sake I think there are a lot of unanswered questions. Why did she take that unusual route. Was she out to meet the officer and someone else. Did the officer know her before the incident. Did the officer make threats towards her before. Why was the officer exposing himself to a certain person. How did he get the head injury in a prison cell. The media needs to find these things out, as they already have painted their own version of events as to what happened, leading people to perceive she was just randomly set up on walking down the street. What I do not get at all is why she's painted as a golden girl that all of a sudden vanished. I don't see anything about the guy that was shot in Barking this morning. I don't see anything about the gang violence, where are the protests for that? Where's the media coverage for that? I'm taking a bet today and saying someone somewhere in London got stabbed tonight and it's about to go completely unreported. I know plenty of people who have been stabbed and it didn't even make the news. There's a story behind everything and the media always choose what to portray and what to report on. All of a sudden there's woman's rights activists protesting, and while it's a notable cause worth protesting for. It's hardly the only issue London faces and the media always bat a blind eye to the other problems simply because the people involved aren't the sort of people they want to portray. |
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Post by vjaska on Mar 17, 2021 3:08:28 GMT
I think there are a lot of unanswered questions. Why did she take that unusual route. Was she out to meet the officer and someone else. Did the officer know her before the incident. Did the officer make threats towards her before. Why was the officer exposing himself to a certain person. How did he get the head injury in a prison cell. The media needs to find these things out, as they already have painted their own version of events as to what happened, leading people to perceive she was just randomly set up on walking down the street. What I do not get at all is why she's painted as a golden girl that all of a sudden vanished. I don't see anything about the guy that was shot in Barking this morning. I don't see anything about the gang violence, where are the protests for that? Where's the media coverage for that? I'm taking a bet today and saying someone somewhere in London got stabbed tonight and it's about to go completely unreported. I know plenty of people who have been stabbed and it didn't even make the news. There's a story behind everything and the media always choose what to portray and what to report on. All of a sudden there's woman's rights activists protesting, and while it's a notable cause worth protesting for. It's hardly the only issue London faces and the media always bat a blind eye to the other problems simply because the people involved aren't the sort of people they want to portray. I couldn't agree more. Two other girls recently went missing in Clapham and yet almost nothing of those two cases has made the news. The middle classes who settled in Lambeth over the last 5 years are the issue as usual - they're the same people who 10 years ago wouldn't set foot in Brixton, Streatham or West Norwood and who would outright stop people from visiting these places because it's 'dangerous' yet now they're only too happy to completely destroy the culture & poke their nose into everything rather than embrace the unreported positives in these areas and the media are the same - it's no wonder people used to shudder or gasp when I told them where I come from when that's how the media portrayed the place and exaggerated the issues. I've an idea why she has been particularly picked out by the media but I'm afraid it'll probably upset people so I'll keep one opinion to myself but I'm sure the other aspect is her class. All of sudden, Poynders Road has now been labelled as dangerous - it is no more dangerous than other roads in the area. I've walked around that area before at night on separate occasions to visit different people on Clarence Avenue so I know the area extremely well. Her routing was very odd which makes me think there is more to this not to mention she was apparently on the phone to her boyfriend on nearby Cavendish Road before the call was ended - surely, you'd stay on the phone until she is home safe? |
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Post by ronnie on Mar 17, 2021 7:34:44 GMT
What I do not get at all is why she's painted as a golden girl that all of a sudden vanished. I don't see anything about the guy that was shot in Barking this morning. I don't see anything about the gang violence, where are the protests for that? Where's the media coverage for that? I'm taking a bet today and saying someone somewhere in London got stabbed tonight and it's about to go completely unreported. I know plenty of people who have been stabbed and it didn't even make the news. There's a story behind everything and the media always choose what to portray and what to report on. All of a sudden there's woman's rights activists protesting, and while it's a notable cause worth protesting for. It's hardly the only issue London faces and the media always bat a blind eye to the other problems simply because the people involved aren't the sort of people they want to portray. I couldn't agree more. Two other girls recently went missing in Clapham and yet almost nothing of those two cases has made the news. The middle classes who settled in Lambeth over the last 5 years are the issue as usual - they're the same people who 10 years ago wouldn't set foot in Brixton, Streatham or West Norwood and who would outright stop people from visiting these places because it's 'dangerous' yet now they're only too happy to completely destroy the culture & poke their nose into everything rather than embrace the unreported positives in these areas and the media are the same - it's no wonder people used to shudder or gasp when I told them where I come from when that's how the media portrayed the place and exaggerated the issues. I've an idea why she has been particularly picked out by the media but I'm afraid it'll probably upset people so I'll keep one opinion to myself but I'm sure the other aspect is her class. All of sudden, Poynders Road has now been labelled as dangerous - it is no more dangerous than other roads in the area. I've walked around that area before at night on separate occasions to visit different people on Clarence Avenue so I know the area extremely well. Her routing was very odd which makes me think there is more to this not to mention she was apparently on the phone to her boyfriend on nearby Cavendish Road before the call was ended - surely, you'd stay on the phone until she is home safe? That’s why nowadays I refrain from commenting anywhere (esp on FB) as a general rule. Too much expectation of political correctness frankly Women have it difficult to be honest .... the constant sexualisation and the “everyday” harassment is almost deemed to be “normal” so society as a whole needs to change Coming back to this particular issue, the problem is that even most genuine protests get taken over by people hell-bent on creating anarchy. Not sure what will happen in this case but something just doesn’t add up - of course I am no detective so will let the law / detectives do their job. On stabbings / acid attacks - these seem to have become identified with “gangs” despite the fact that common people are getting hurt nowadays. I have had 2 acid attacks and 2 stabbings within a 200 metre radius (and these took place in daylight in crowded areas). Yet these don’t get 1 mention beyond same day coverage.... |
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Post by enviroPB on Mar 17, 2021 10:52:07 GMT
I think there are a lot of unanswered questions. Why did she take that unusual route. Was she out to meet the officer and someone else. Did the officer know her before the incident. Did the officer make threats towards her before. Why was the officer exposing himself to a certain person. How did he get the head injury in a prison cell. The media needs to find these things out, as they already have painted their own version of events as to what happened, leading people to perceive she was just randomly set up on walking down the street. What I do not get at all is why she's painted as a golden girl that all of a sudden vanished. I don't see anything about the guy that was shot in Barking this morning. I don't see anything about the gang violence, where are the protests for that? Where's the media coverage for that? I'm taking a bet today and saying someone somewhere in London got stabbed tonight and it's about to go completely unreported. I know plenty of people who have been stabbed and it didn't even make the news. There's a story behind everything and the media always choose what to portray and what to report on. All of a sudden there's woman's rights activists protesting, and while it's a notable cause worth protesting for. It's hardly the only issue London faces and the media always bat a blind eye to the other problems simply because the people involved aren't the sort of people they want to portray. So we're not going to address the Caucasian elephant in the room? Race has a very huge part to play in media coverage and whether it's deemed to be 'of public interest'. Blessing Olusegun has disappeared in very mysterious circumstances, found dead on a beach in East Sussex miles from her London home and her death was originally recorded as non suspicious. She was a carer but because she's black, she's not worth reporting. There's also the narrative that the media spins about certain groups of people in society. I'm not saying breaking one rule is an excuse to murder, but why were there initial reports of Sarah Everard visiting "friends" when group gatherings are still banned? I know support bubbles are allowed but it wasn't in the spirit of Covid visiting friends indoors, they happily glossed over that. It's heart-wrenching to even compare to non-white groups of the population, as the media will dig through a victim's history ad infinitum to paint them in a negative light- why? Why are BAME (particularly black) groups labelled as unlawful when they're just victims but someone like Aaron Campbell who raped & murdered a 6 year old girl in Scotland a few years ago, was afforded the luxury of the press not reporting on his drugs link to the deceased girl's father until it went to court months later? The media tells us what they want to tell us. If you're watching this tragic story unfold on the BBC, you'd never know the Duchess of Sussex Cambridge went to the bandstand on Clapham Common last weekend. The corporation that will broadcast anything related to the monarchy like a royal driving a car his/herself like a commoner as if it's important, deliberately probably forgot about this tidbit of information. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Mar 17, 2021 11:08:14 GMT
What I do not get at all is why she's painted as a golden girl that all of a sudden vanished. I don't see anything about the guy that was shot in Barking this morning. I don't see anything about the gang violence, where are the protests for that? Where's the media coverage for that? I'm taking a bet today and saying someone somewhere in London got stabbed tonight and it's about to go completely unreported. I know plenty of people who have been stabbed and it didn't even make the news. There's a story behind everything and the media always choose what to portray and what to report on. All of a sudden there's woman's rights activists protesting, and while it's a notable cause worth protesting for. It's hardly the only issue London faces and the media always bat a blind eye to the other problems simply because the people involved aren't the sort of people they want to portray. So we're not going to address the Caucasian elephant in the room? Race has a very huge part to play in media coverage and whether it's deemed to be 'of public interest'. Blessing Olusegun has disappeared in very mysterious circumstances, found dead on a beach in East Sussex miles from her London home and her death was originally recorded as non suspicious. She was a carer but because she's black, she's not worth reporting. There's also the narrative that the media spins about certain groups of people in society. I'm not saying breaking one rule is an excuse to murder, but why were there initial reports of Sarah Everard visiting "friends" when group gatherings are still banned? I know support bubbles are allowed but it wasn't in the spirit of Covid visiting friends indoors, they happily glossed over that. It's heart-wrenching to even compare to non-white groups of the population, as the media will dig through a victim's history ad infinitum to paint them in a negative light- why? Why are BAME (particularly black) groups labelled as unlawful when they're just victims but someone like Aaron Campbell who raped & murdered a 6 year old girl in Scotland a few years ago, was afforded the luxury of the press not reporting on his drugs link to the deceased girl's father until it went to court months later? The media tells us what they want to tell us. If you're watching this tragic story unfold on the BBC, you'd never know the Duchess of Sussex went to the bandstand on Clapham Common last weekend. The corporation that will broadcast anything related to the monarchy like a royal driving a car his/herself like a commoner as if it's important, deliberately probably forgot about this tidbit of information. I'm assuming you mean the Duchess of Cambridge instead of the Duchess of Sussex  The Duchess of Sussex is currently entangled in a completely different state of affairs across the pond. I thought the visit of the Royals was quite well documented to Clapham, it was a sticking point of the protests with many of them saying why they were arrested when Kate wasn't? I do agree Race is the huge issue here, I do think racism in this country is still a huge issue despite many people always seem to brush it over. Whenever Gang members are portrayed in the UK they're pretty much always part of the BAME community when in reality its the opposite. It's sad to think that despite the Stephen Lawrence murder years ago, overall we still haven't come far as a society. People like to say that they are more accepting of racial diversity, but the truth is that change hasn't happened as fast as it should have. |
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Post by LJ17THF on Mar 17, 2021 11:35:04 GMT
So we're not going to address the Caucasian elephant in the room? Race has a very huge part to play in media coverage and whether it's deemed to be 'of public interest'. Blessing Olusegun has disappeared in very mysterious circumstances, found dead on a beach in East Sussex miles from her London home and her death was originally recorded as non suspicious. She was a carer but because she's black, she's not worth reporting. There's also the narrative that the media spins about certain groups of people in society. I'm not saying breaking one rule is an excuse to murder, but why were there initial reports of Sarah Everard visiting "friends" when group gatherings are still banned? I know support bubbles are allowed but it wasn't in the spirit of Covid visiting friends indoors, they happily glossed over that. It's heart-wrenching to even compare to non-white groups of the population, as the media will dig through a victim's history ad infinitum to paint them in a negative light- why? Why are BAME (particularly black) groups labelled as unlawful when they're just victims but someone like Aaron Campbell who raped & murdered a 6 year old girl in Scotland a few years ago, was afforded the luxury of the press not reporting on his drugs link to the deceased girl's father until it went to court months later? The media tells us what they want to tell us. If you're watching this tragic story unfold on the BBC, you'd never know the Duchess of Sussex went to the bandstand on Clapham Common last weekend. The corporation that will broadcast anything related to the monarchy like a royal driving a car his/herself like a commoner as if it's important, deliberately probably forgot about this tidbit of information. I'm assuming you mean the Duchess of Cambridge instead of the Duchess of Sussex The Duchess of Sussex is currently entangled in a completely different state of affairs across the pond. I thought the visit of the Royals was quite well documented to Clapham, it was a sticking point of the protests with many of them saying why they were arrested when Kate wasn't? I do agree Race is the huge issue here, I do think racism in this country is still a huge issue despite many people always seem to brush it over. Whenever Gang members are portrayed in the UK they're pretty much always part of the BAME community when in reality its the opposite. It's sad to think that despite the Stephen Lawrence murder years ago, overall we still haven't come far as a society. People like to say that they are more accepting of racial diversity, but the truth is that change hasn't happened as fast as it should have. I still don't understand why the Royal family are still around, they don't do anything anymore, except for shaking hands with people of other countries, it's the Prime Minister and other politicians who have the power in this country. I also don't understand how people are just realising the Royal family is racist, as if years and years of stealing from countries like India and South Africa wasn't enough. As well as that, I don't know why Piers Morgan loves the Royal Family so much, they only bring in tourists, but that doesn't affect him at all, but will not believe any of the struggles Meghan Markle is going/has gone through. Racism is rampant across the country, unfortunately, and as you say, people do brush it over as non-existent, despite the large amounts of bashing that occurred to South Asian people between the 1960's to 1980's, with some occurring today. The death of Stephen Lawrence, as you say, was as well brushed over by the police, with similar occurrences happening today, especially with the Blessing Olusegun woman, a person who I hadn't even heard of until today! This really makes me wonder how frequently these types of things occur, and how infrequently they get properly publicised. |
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Post by MKAY315 on Mar 17, 2021 11:55:29 GMT
What I do not get at all is why she's painted as a golden girl that all of a sudden vanished. I don't see anything about the guy that was shot in Barking this morning. I don't see anything about the gang violence, where are the protests for that? Where's the media coverage for that? I'm taking a bet today and saying someone somewhere in London got stabbed tonight and it's about to go completely unreported. I know plenty of people who have been stabbed and it didn't even make the news. There's a story behind everything and the media always choose what to portray and what to report on. All of a sudden there's woman's rights activists protesting, and while it's a notable cause worth protesting for. It's hardly the only issue London faces and the media always bat a blind eye to the other problems simply because the people involved aren't the sort of people they want to portray. I couldn't agree more. Two other girls recently went missing in Clapham and yet almost nothing of those two cases has made the news. The middle classes who settled in Lambeth over the last 5 years are the issue as usual - they're the same people who 10 years ago wouldn't set foot in Brixton, Streatham or West Norwood and who would outright stop people from visiting these places because it's 'dangerous' yet now they're only too happy to completely destroy the culture & poke their nose into everything rather than embrace the unreported positives in these areas and the media are the same - it's no wonder people used to shudder or gasp when I told them where I come from when that's how the media portrayed the place and exaggerated the issues. I've an idea why she has been particularly picked out by the media but I'm afraid it'll probably upset people so I'll keep one opinion to myself but I'm sure the other aspect is her class. All of sudden, Poynders Road has now been labelled as dangerous - it is no more dangerous than other roads in the area. I've walked around that area before at night on separate occasions to visit different people on Clarence Avenue so I know the area extremely well. Her routing was very odd which makes me think there is more to this not to mention she was apparently on the phone to her boyfriend on nearby Cavendish Road before the call was ended - surely, you'd stay on the phone until she is home safe? It's gentrification. The same thing happened in East London. Before the Olympics many people feared coming to Stratford, Plaistow, Bow and even Hackney. To the point around the stretch from Upper Clapton to Lower Clapton it was nicknamed murder mile. As Eastlondoner62 pointed out they tend to pick and choose on their agendas whilst trying to pass laws in the government trying to strip people from protesting. |
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Post by enviroPB on Mar 17, 2021 12:28:51 GMT
I'm assuming you mean the Duchess of Cambridge instead of the Duchess of Sussex The Duchess of Sussex is currently entangled in a completely different state of affairs across the pond. I thought the visit of the Royals was quite well documented to Clapham, it was a sticking point of the protests with many of them saying why they were arrested when Kate wasn't? I do agree Race is the huge issue here, I do think racism in this country is still a huge issue despite many people always seem to brush it over. Whenever Gang members are portrayed in the UK they're pretty much always part of the BAME community when in reality its the opposite. It's sad to think that despite the Stephen Lawrence murder years ago, overall we still haven't come far as a society. People like to say that they are more accepting of racial diversity, but the truth is that change hasn't happened as fast as it should have. I still don't understand why the Royal family are still around, they don't do anything anymore, except for shaking hands with people of other countries, it's the Prime Minister and other politicians who have the power in this country. I also don't understand how people are just realising the Royal family is racist, as if years and years of stealing from countries like India and South Africa wasn't enough. As well as that, I don't know why Piers Morgan loves the Royal Family so much, they only bring in tourists, but that doesn't affect him at all, but will not believe any of the struggles Meghan Markle is going/has gone through. Racism is rampant across the country, unfortunately, and as you say, people do brush it over as non-existent, despite the large amounts of bashing that occurred to South Asian people between the 1960's to 1980's, with some occurring today. The death of Stephen Lawrence, as you say, was as well brushed over by the police, with similar occurrences happening today, especially with the Blessing Olusegun woman, a person who I hadn't even heard of until today! This really makes me wonder how frequently these types of things occur, and how infrequently they get properly publicised. The Met is, has and unfortunately with lack of holistic change in governance over 2 decades, will continue to be institutionally racist. I knew first hand in June 2012 when I had my first interaction with them. Despite not breaking toughened ASBO laws in Stratford for the Olympics, I was given a less than acceptable treatment to my white and oriental Asian friends despite them drinking openly on Great Eastern Road and I wasn't. And I knew exact details for onward travel (we were on our way to prom) and they didn't. The police's response: to threaten me with arrest by simply responding to the questions aimed at the non-black people. I spent the rest of summer 2012 learning my rights, so as to limit the amount of discrimination the Met can enforce on me whilst passing it off as "doing their job". This digression was not to sidetrack from Sarah's story but to highlight inefficiencies in the Metropolitan Police service. They likely didn't investigate her disappearance with the vigour that should have been given from day 1 of her being reported. There's also the lack of situational awareness to breaking up the vigil with violence. After an officer from their own force is accused of her murder, is it probably the best decision to break up a vigil when the Met's incompetence is likely the reason she was killed? I don't know how Americans can see that wasn't a logical tacic to make but Cressida can stand by her claim that it was the right decision. It's only for virtue signalling that she is still in her post. The first woman at the head of the London Fire Brigade Danny Cotton was forced out due to her force's handling of the Grenfell fire. Cressida should be held accountable but the higher ups know that removing her right now would result in an uproar on the streets. I'm surprised the Met do their taxes every year, cause the lack of accountability in that force is truly shocking. |
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Post by vjaska on Mar 17, 2021 15:08:20 GMT
I still don't understand why the Royal family are still around, they don't do anything anymore, except for shaking hands with people of other countries, it's the Prime Minister and other politicians who have the power in this country. I also don't understand how people are just realising the Royal family is racist, as if years and years of stealing from countries like India and South Africa wasn't enough. As well as that, I don't know why Piers Morgan loves the Royal Family so much, they only bring in tourists, but that doesn't affect him at all, but will not believe any of the struggles Meghan Markle is going/has gone through. Racism is rampant across the country, unfortunately, and as you say, people do brush it over as non-existent, despite the large amounts of bashing that occurred to South Asian people between the 1960's to 1980's, with some occurring today. The death of Stephen Lawrence, as you say, was as well brushed over by the police, with similar occurrences happening today, especially with the Blessing Olusegun woman, a person who I hadn't even heard of until today! This really makes me wonder how frequently these types of things occur, and how infrequently they get properly publicised. The Met is, has and unfortunately with lack of holistic change in governance over 2 decades, will continue to be institutionally racist. I knew first hand in June 2012 when I had my first interaction with them. Despite not breaking toughened ASBO laws in Stratford for the Olympics, I was given a less than acceptable treatment to my white and oriental Asian friends despite them drinking openly on Great Eastern Road and I wasn't. And I knew exact details for onward travel (we were on our way to prom) and they didn't. The police's response: to threaten me with arrest by simply responding to the questions aimed at the non-black people. I spent the rest of summer 2012 learning my rights, so as to limit the amount of discrimination the Met can enforce on me whilst passing it off as "doing their job". This digression was not to sidetrack from Sarah's story but to highlight inefficiencies in the Metropolitan Police service. They likely didn't investigate her disappearance with the vigour that should have been given from day 1 of her being reported. There's also the lack of situational awareness to breaking up the vigil with violence. After an officer from their own force is accused of her murder, is it probably the best decision to break up a vigil when the Met's incompetence is likely the reason she was killed? I don't know how Americans can see that wasn't a logical tacic to make but Cressida can stand by her claim that it was the right decision. It's only for virtue signalling that she is still in her post. The first woman of the London Fire Brigade Danny Cotton was forced out due to her force's handling of the Grenfell fire. Cressida should be held accountable but the higher ups know that removing her right now would result in an uproar on the streets. I'm surprised the Met do their taxes every year, cause the lack of accountability in that force is truly shocking. I personally disagree that it's still institutionally racist but I think it certainly has some elements that are racist - institutionally racist would imply the entire force from top to bottom is racist and I really find that hard to believe that's the case today. The trouble is I think many things have elements of racisim but this country loves only focusing on the emergency services - we see this every time a major incident happens where the police, ambulance or fire brigade are praised for helping people only for them to be ripped apart in an investigation and hung out to dry. We've seen this with Grenfell where the fire brigade was hung out to dry for their stay put policy despite the fact the policy has been in for many years - meanwhile, no amount of rippage for the companies who actively have deleted evidence off their hard drives for instance. We've seen this where the ambulance & police were blasted for London Bridge & Manchester terror attacks - Jesus Christ, it's a terror situation which is always an heightened and evolving situation, make recommendations to improve but cut the blasting out (the investigators, not yourself) because quite frankly, they do an extremely tough job that I know I couldn't do. Where I do agree with you in regards to the Sarah case is the "caucasian elephant in the room" but I'm glad I didn't mention it - it's pretty clear to see it though I've seen it in the opposite direction though much less common. I may thoroughly disagree with BLM and it's horrendous views that are buried by the media ironically but there are definitely times where you really see particular races being ignored or subjected to discrimination (Windrush scandal being a good example, general treatment of Muslims as terrorists, etc) |
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Post by MKAY315 on Mar 17, 2021 15:37:45 GMT
The Met is, has and unfortunately with lack of holistic change in governance over 2 decades, will continue to be institutionally racist. I knew first hand in June 2012 when I had my first interaction with them. Despite not breaking toughened ASBO laws in Stratford for the Olympics, I was given a less than acceptable treatment to my white and oriental Asian friends despite them drinking openly on Great Eastern Road and I wasn't. And I knew exact details for onward travel (we were on our way to prom) and they didn't. The police's response: to threaten me with arrest by simply responding to the questions aimed at the non-black people. I spent the rest of summer 2012 learning my rights, so as to limit the amount of discrimination the Met can enforce on me whilst passing it off as "doing their job". This digression was not to sidetrack from Sarah's story but to highlight inefficiencies in the Metropolitan Police service. They likely didn't investigate her disappearance with the vigour that should have been given from day 1 of her being reported. There's also the lack of situational awareness to breaking up the vigil with violence. After an officer from their own force is accused of her murder, is it probably the best decision to break up a vigil when the Met's incompetence is likely the reason she was killed? I don't know how Americans can see that wasn't a logical tacic to make but Cressida can stand by her claim that it was the right decision. It's only for virtue signalling that she is still in her post. The first woman of the London Fire Brigade Danny Cotton was forced out due to her force's handling of the Grenfell fire. Cressida should be held accountable but the higher ups know that removing her right now would result in an uproar on the streets. I'm surprised the Met do their taxes every year, cause the lack of accountability in that force is truly shocking. I personally disagree that it's still institutionally racist but I think it certainly has some elements that are racist - institutionally racist would imply the entire force from top to bottom is racist and I really find that hard to believe that's the case today. The trouble is I think many things have elements of racisim but this country loves only focusing on the emergency services - we see this every time a major incident happens where the police, ambulance or fire brigade are praised for helping people only for them to be ripped apart in an investigation and hung out to dry. We've seen this with Grenfell where the fire brigade was hung out to dry for their stay put policy despite the fact the policy has been in for many years - meanwhile, no amount of rippage for the companies who actively have deleted evidence off their hard drives for instance. We've seen this where the ambulance & police were blasted for London Bridge & Manchester terror attacks - Jesus Christ, it's a terror situation which is always an heightened and evolving situation, make recommendations to improve but cut the blasting out (the investigators, not yourself) because quite frankly, they do an extremely tough job that I know I couldn't do. Where I do agree with you in regards to the Sarah case is the "caucasian elephant in the room" but I'm glad I didn't mention it - it's pretty clear to see it though I've seen it in the opposite direction though much less common. I may thoroughly disagree with BLM and it's horrendous views that are buried by the media ironically but there are definitely times where you really see particular races being ignored or subjected to discrimination (Windrush scandal being a good example, general treatment of Muslims as terrorists, etc) Unfortunately I may have to disagree with this one. I still think the police is still rotten to the core that will need a major reform before anyone in the public trusts them again. They may not be doing things point blank in the face but it's just the subtle movements that I've seen police officers do. Now there are some good decent ones out there and I hope they get the good recognition they deserve but a substantial amount of police officers ruin it for the rest. To say it's not institutionally racist I would have to disagree. You're right in the sense that it's not only the police that's doing this. It's pretty much in many places you go as it's embedded in this society that we live in be it in shops and places of work. Sometimes even in the things people say and they don't even realise it half the time. A lot of things still needs to change and we have a long way to go to achieve it. |
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Post by SILENCED on Mar 17, 2021 16:09:29 GMT
I still don't understand why the Royal family are still around, they don't do anything anymore, except for shaking hands with people of other countries, it's the Prime Minister and other politicians who have the power in this country. I also don't understand how people are just realising the Royal family is racist, as if years and years of stealing from countries like India and South Africa wasn't enough. As well as that, I don't know why Piers Morgan loves the Royal Family so much, they only bring in tourists, but that doesn't affect him at all, but will not believe any of the struggles Meghan Markle is going/has gone through. Racism is rampant across the country, unfortunately, and as you say, people do brush it over as non-existent, despite the large amounts of bashing that occurred to South Asian people between the 1960's to 1980's, with some occurring today. The death of Stephen Lawrence, as you say, was as well brushed over by the police, with similar occurrences happening today, especially with the Blessing Olusegun woman, a person who I hadn't even heard of until today! This really makes me wonder how frequently these types of things occur, and how infrequently they get properly publicised. The Met is, has and unfortunately with lack of holistic change in governance over 2 decades, will continue to be institutionally racist. I knew first hand in June 2012 when I had my first interaction with them. Despite not breaking toughened ASBO laws in Stratford for the Olympics, I was given a less than acceptable treatment to my white and oriental Asian friends despite them drinking openly on Great Eastern Road and I wasn't. And I knew exact details for onward travel (we were on our way to prom) and they didn't. The police's response: to threaten me with arrest by simply responding to the questions aimed at the non-black people. I spent the rest of summer 2012 learning my rights, so as to limit the amount of discrimination the Met can enforce on me whilst passing it off as "doing their job". This digression was not to sidetrack from Sarah's story but to highlight inefficiencies in the Metropolitan Police service. They likely didn't investigate her disappearance with the vigour that should have been given from day 1 of her being reported. There's also the lack of situational awareness to breaking up the vigil with violence. After an officer from their own force is accused of her murder, is it probably the best decision to break up a vigil when the Met's incompetence is likely the reason she was killed? I don't know how Americans can see that wasn't a logical tacic to make but Cressida can stand by her claim that it was the right decision. It's only for virtue signalling that she is still in her post. The first woman of the London Fire Brigade Danny Cotton was forced out due to her force's handling of the Grenfell fire. Cressida should be held accountable but the higher ups know that removing her right now would result in an uproar on the streets. I'm surprised the Met do their taxes every year, cause the lack of accountability in that force is truly shocking. A vigil or a pre-planned extremist protest intent on causing confrontation with the police, willfully misusing the fate of the poor girl. www.facebook.com/xarathustra/videos/10159477369263413 |
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Post by enviroPB on Mar 17, 2021 16:34:12 GMT
The Met is, has and unfortunately with lack of holistic change in governance over 2 decades, will continue to be institutionally racist. I knew first hand in June 2012 when I had my first interaction with them. Despite not breaking toughened ASBO laws in Stratford for the Olympics, I was given a less than acceptable treatment to my white and oriental Asian friends despite them drinking openly on Great Eastern Road and I wasn't. And I knew exact details for onward travel (we were on our way to prom) and they didn't. The police's response: to threaten me with arrest by simply responding to the questions aimed at the non-black people. I spent the rest of summer 2012 learning my rights, so as to limit the amount of discrimination the Met can enforce on me whilst passing it off as "doing their job". This digression was not to sidetrack from Sarah's story but to highlight inefficiencies in the Metropolitan Police service. They likely didn't investigate her disappearance with the vigour that should have been given from day 1 of her being reported. There's also the lack of situational awareness to breaking up the vigil with violence. After an officer from their own force is accused of her murder, is it probably the best decision to break up a vigil when the Met's incompetence is likely the reason she was killed? I don't know how Americans can see that wasn't a logical tacic to make but Cressida can stand by her claim that it was the right decision. It's only for virtue signalling that she is still in her post. The first woman of the London Fire Brigade Danny Cotton was forced out due to her force's handling of the Grenfell fire. Cressida should be held accountable but the higher ups know that removing her right now would result in an uproar on the streets. I'm surprised the Met do their taxes every year, cause the lack of accountability in that force is truly shocking. A vigil or a pre-planned extremist protest intent on causing confrontation with the police, willfully misusing the fate of the poor girl. www.facebook.com/xarathustra/videos/10159477369263413So I'm supposed to watch this clip and forget there was a chance for some sort of vigil could go ahead, as decreed by the High Court, but the Met shut down all dialogue with event holders? The scenes over the weekend could've been easily avoided had the police engaged with organisers. Instead they did not engage in allowing a vigil to go ahead for a woman murdered by one of their own. That's how they likely saw it. |
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The Duchess of Sussex is currently entangled in a completely different state of affairs across the pond. 
