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Post by vjaska on Mar 17, 2021 16:45:35 GMT
So I'm supposed to watch this clip and forget there was a chance for some sort of vigil could go ahead, as decreed by the High Court, but the Met shut down all dialogue with event holders? The scenes over the weekend could've been easily avoided had the police engaged with organisers. Instead they did not engage in allowing a vigil to go ahead for a woman murdered by one of their own. That's how they likely saw it. The planned vigil didn't go ahead due to social distancing rules because we are in a pandemic and rightly so, no gatherings should be taking place yet a number of middle class idiots in the evening decided to ignore this & cause trouble, they won't do it in Kensington & Chelsea but are happy to come to poor people area's and start trouble - we need to stop assuming the police cancelled the event because an officer was involved in her disappearance and murder, that is exactly the wrong rhetoric to take and is extremely dangerous as all that does is stoke anti police nonsense and unhinged people to go around causing further trouble. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Mar 17, 2021 17:20:36 GMT
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Post by enviroPB on Mar 17, 2021 17:38:47 GMT
So I'm supposed to watch this clip and forget there was a chance for some sort of vigil could go ahead, as decreed by the High Court, but the Met shut down all dialogue with event holders? The scenes over the weekend could've been easily avoided had the police engaged with organisers. Instead they did not engage in allowing a vigil to go ahead for a woman murdered by one of their own. That's how they likely saw it. The planned vigil didn't go ahead due to social distancing rules because we are in a pandemic and rightly so, no gatherings should be taking place yet a number of middle class idiots in the evening decided to ignore this & cause trouble, they won't do it in Kensington & Chelsea but are happy to come to poor people area's and start trouble - we need to stop assuming the police cancelled the event because an officer was involved in her disappearance and murder, that is exactly the wrong rhetoric to take and is extremely dangerous as all that does is stoke anti police nonsense and unhinged people to go around causing further trouble. If I with no formal training on social behaviour and crowd control knew on Thursday people would turn up to the vigil regardless of if it was allowed or not, why did the police not have the same view? I'm not condoning violence against any group including the police, but it just seems at every conceivable point they had to assess public opinion on the vigil, they refuse to acknowledge their involvement in the set of circumstances that resulted in Sarah Everard's death. They tried to assess the vigil impartially when they had a stake in the vigl; it's clear to me they knew they had a steak in the vigil, and were very much keen on it not wanting to go ahead. I'll even go as far to say if the vigil was allowed to take place properly, there wouldn't have been follow up protests that we have seen in the past few days. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2021 17:57:46 GMT
The planned vigil didn't go ahead due to social distancing rules because we are in a pandemic and rightly so, no gatherings should be taking place yet a number of middle class idiots in the evening decided to ignore this & cause trouble, they won't do it in Kensington & Chelsea but are happy to come to poor people area's and start trouble - we need to stop assuming the police cancelled the event because an officer was involved in her disappearance and murder, that is exactly the wrong rhetoric to take and is extremely dangerous as all that does is stoke anti police nonsense and unhinged people to go around causing further trouble. If I with no formal training on social behaviour and crowd control knew on Thursday people would turn up to the vigil regardless of if it was allowed or not, why did the police not have the same view? I'm not condoning violence against any group including the police, but it just seems at every conceivable point they had to assess public opinion on the vigil, they refuse to acknowledge their involvement in the set of circumstances that resulted in Sarah Everard's death. They tried to assess the vigil impartially when they had a stake in the vigl; it's clear to me they knew they had a steak in the vigil, and were very much keen on it not wanting to go ahead. I'll even go as far to say if the vigil was allowed to take place properly, there wouldn't have been follow up protests that we have seen in the past few days. Sorry but these follow up protests would have absolutely happened because certain extremists have hijacked something that should have been peaceful. It’s been clearly reported that her family, friends and other closest to her did not want any of this and if anything this destroys their memory of her. As far as I understand there was nothing to indicate that the officer involved had any history of violence and he passed through all checks by the Met during training, unless there is some powerful clairvoyant in their ranks I don’t think anyone could have predicted his actions so yes the Met should take responsibility but it ultimately isn’t their fault he carried out the crime, if anything it dispels the myth that the police are above the law. The minute that the group wanting to hold an actually peaceful vigil cancelled their event it was hijacked into anti-government gatherings. I believe the police were right to be there but their actions went slightly too far based on what we have seen and until we see actual evidence of what happened all we can have is hearsay and conjecture. |
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Post by SILENCED on Mar 17, 2021 18:05:28 GMT
So I'm supposed to watch this clip and forget there was a chance for some sort of vigil could go ahead, as decreed by the High Court, but the Met shut down all dialogue with event holders? The scenes over the weekend could've been easily avoided had the police engaged with organisers. Instead they did not engage in allowing a vigil to go ahead for a woman murdered by one of their own. That's how they likely saw it. The vigil was banned, the vast majority of those on Clapham Common were seeking trouble. It was not a vigil, it was an extremist protest, antifa, XR ... need I go on. Any gathering over 2 people is illegal .... what dialogue is there to have! So you watch the clip, is not what you want to see, so in denial. |
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Post by enviroPB on Mar 17, 2021 19:11:57 GMT
So I'm supposed to watch this clip and forget there was a chance for some sort of vigil could go ahead, as decreed by the High Court, but the Met shut down all dialogue with event holders? The scenes over the weekend could've been easily avoided had the police engaged with organisers. Instead they did not engage in allowing a vigil to go ahead for a woman murdered by one of their own. That's how they likely saw it. The vigil was banned, the vast majority of those on Clapham Common were seeking trouble. It was not a vigil, it was an extremist protest, antifa, XR ... need I go on. Any gathering over 2 people is illegal .... what dialogue is there to have! So you watch the clip, is not what you want to see, so in denial. BLM protests were banned but still happened, as with XR protests*, as with anti-mask protests. As I mentioned in another post, had the vigil legally gone ahead** there would be no public disturbance. Instead it wasn't given the go ahead and we were presented with the scenes we saw. Btw I saw a couple people being violent to the police in that video, out of a few dozen. That's very representative of the thousands that attended, a select few causing trouble. *Extinction Rebellion did not have many protests in the past year but they did do a couple inbetween lockdowns **The court said a private vigil could've gone ahead after banning the publicly proposed one. Close friends & family of under 30 attendees I believe |
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Post by SILENCED on Mar 17, 2021 19:17:54 GMT
The vigil was banned, the vast majority of those on Clapham Common were seeking trouble. It was not a vigil, it was an extremist protest, antifa, XR ... need I go on. Any gathering over 2 people is illegal .... what dialogue is there to have! So you watch the clip, is not what you want to see, so in denial. BLM protests were banned but still happened, as with XR protests*, as with anti-mask protests. As I mentioned in another post, had the vigil legally gone ahead** there would be no public disturbance. Instead it wasn't given the go ahead and we were presented with the scenes we saw. Btw I saw a couple people being violent to the police in that video, out of a few dozen. That's very representative of the thousands that attended, a select few causing trouble. *Extinction Rebellion did not have many protests in the past year but they did do a couple inbetween lockdowns **The court said a private vigil could've gone ahead after banning the publicly proposed one. Close friends & family of under 30 attendees I believe OK, if you really believe that, more fool you ... signing off as don't want to spend any more words on these thugs as it is what they want. |
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Post by TA1 on Mar 17, 2021 19:27:55 GMT
BLM protests were banned but still happened, as with XR protests*, as with anti-mask protests. As I mentioned in another post, had the vigil legally gone ahead** there would be no public disturbance. Instead it wasn't given the go ahead and we were presented with the scenes we saw. Btw I saw a couple people being violent to the police in that video, out of a few dozen. That's very representative of the thousands that attended, a select few causing trouble. *Extinction Rebellion did not have many protests in the past year but they did do a couple inbetween lockdowns **The court said a private vigil could've gone ahead after banning the publicly proposed one. Close friends & family of under 30 attendees I believe OK, if you really believe that, more fool you ... signing off as don't want to spend any more words on these thugs as it is what they want. Which thugs? |
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Post by ronnie on Mar 20, 2021 11:04:12 GMT
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Post by capitalomnibus on Mar 20, 2021 11:44:09 GMT
I think there are a lot of unanswered questions. Why did she take that unusual route. Was she out to meet the officer and someone else. Did the officer know her before the incident. Did the officer make threats towards her before. Why was the officer exposing himself to a certain person. How did he get the head injury in a prison cell. The media needs to find these things out, as they already have painted their own version of events as to what happened, leading people to perceive she was just randomly set up on walking down the street. What I do not get at all is why she's painted as a golden girl that all of a sudden vanished. I don't see anything about the guy that was shot in Barking this morning. I don't see anything about the gang violence, where are the protests for that? Where's the media coverage for that? I'm taking a bet today and saying someone somewhere in London got stabbed tonight and it's about to go completely unreported. I know plenty of people who have been stabbed and it didn't even make the news. There's a story behind everything and the media always choose what to portray and what to report on. All of a sudden there's woman's rights activists protesting, and while it's a notable cause worth protesting for. It's hardly the only issue London faces and the media always bat a blind eye to the other problems simply because the people involved aren't the sort of people they want to portray. I honestly do not know why it has gone viral either. There has been many women killed to domestic violence, over the past year, some in worst circumstances and we do not get the whole public rallying against this. I wonder if it is down to it being a police officer that committed the crime why it has gained such traction. It is as bad as the BBC labelling almost every black person that has been involved in some crime as a rapper, drill artist or grime artist. It is laughable the person may have had one YouTube video, and all of a sudden they are a rapper. These are the things that BLM should have been campaigning on, the media is the worst of them all, after all they put the poison into peoples minds. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Mar 20, 2021 11:52:39 GMT
I'm assuming you mean the Duchess of Cambridge instead of the Duchess of Sussex  The Duchess of Sussex is currently entangled in a completely different state of affairs across the pond. I thought the visit of the Royals was quite well documented to Clapham, it was a sticking point of the protests with many of them saying why they were arrested when Kate wasn't? I do agree Race is the huge issue here, I do think racism in this country is still a huge issue despite many people always seem to brush it over. Whenever Gang members are portrayed in the UK they're pretty much always part of the BAME community when in reality its the opposite. It's sad to think that despite the Stephen Lawrence murder years ago, overall we still haven't come far as a society. People like to say that they are more accepting of racial diversity, but the truth is that change hasn't happened as fast as it should have. I still don't understand why the Royal family are still around, they don't do anything anymore, except for shaking hands with people of other countries, it's the Prime Minister and other politicians who have the power in this country. I also don't understand how people are just realising the Royal family is racist, as if years and years of stealing from countries like India and South Africa wasn't enough. As well as that, I don't know why Piers Morgan loves the Royal Family so much, they only bring in tourists, but that doesn't affect him at all, but will not believe any of the struggles Meghan Markle is going/has gone through. Racism is rampant across the country, unfortunately, and as you say, people do brush it over as non-existent, despite the large amounts of bashing that occurred to South Asian people between the 1960's to 1980's, with some occurring today. The death of Stephen Lawrence, as you say, was as well brushed over by the police, with similar occurrences happening today, especially with the Blessing Olusegun woman, a person who I hadn't even heard of until today! This really makes me wonder how frequently these types of things occur, and how infrequently they get properly publicised. I do not think Piers is the royalist he is now claiming to be. He has over the years been a basher of the royal family, but does things that suits him best and his so called dilemma years ago with Megan has seen him have the pitch forks against her. He also knows the perks that can be gained by being seen to protect them when deep down he probably is only looking out for his own well being. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Mar 20, 2021 11:59:56 GMT
I still don't understand why the Royal family are still around, they don't do anything anymore, except for shaking hands with people of other countries, it's the Prime Minister and other politicians who have the power in this country. I also don't understand how people are just realising the Royal family is racist, as if years and years of stealing from countries like India and South Africa wasn't enough. As well as that, I don't know why Piers Morgan loves the Royal Family so much, they only bring in tourists, but that doesn't affect him at all, but will not believe any of the struggles Meghan Markle is going/has gone through. Racism is rampant across the country, unfortunately, and as you say, people do brush it over as non-existent, despite the large amounts of bashing that occurred to South Asian people between the 1960's to 1980's, with some occurring today. The death of Stephen Lawrence, as you say, was as well brushed over by the police, with similar occurrences happening today, especially with the Blessing Olusegun woman, a person who I hadn't even heard of until today! This really makes me wonder how frequently these types of things occur, and how infrequently they get properly publicised. The Met is, has and unfortunately with lack of holistic change in governance over 2 decades, will continue to be institutionally racist. I knew first hand in June 2012 when I had my first interaction with them. Despite not breaking toughened ASBO laws in Stratford for the Olympics, I was given a less than acceptable treatment to my white and oriental Asian friends despite them drinking openly on Great Eastern Road and I wasn't. And I knew exact details for onward travel (we were on our way to prom) and they didn't. The police's response: to threaten me with arrest by simply responding to the questions aimed at the non-black people. I spent the rest of summer 2012 learning my rights, so as to limit the amount of discrimination the Met can enforce on me whilst passing it off as "doing their job". This digression was not to sidetrack from Sarah's story but to highlight inefficiencies in the Metropolitan Police service. They likely didn't investigate her disappearance with the vigour that should have been given from day 1 of her being reported. There's also the lack of situational awareness to breaking up the vigil with violence. After an officer from their own force is accused of her murder, is it probably the best decision to break up a vigil when the Met's incompetence is likely the reason she was killed? I don't know how Americans can see that wasn't a logical tacic to make but Cressida can stand by her claim that it was the right decision. It's only for virtue signalling that she is still in her post. The first woman at the head of the London Fire Brigade Danny Cotton was forced out due to her force's handling of the Grenfell fire. Cressida should be held accountable but the higher ups know that removing her right now would result in an uproar on the streets. I'm surprised the Met do their taxes every year, cause the lack of accountability in that force is truly shocking. Hence why I said on earlier posts that Khan and Baliey promising more police is hardly going to do nothing. Laos saying the police needs more money is a joke. An ex of mine worked in the Met (cannot say which department for various reasons) and many of the measures they did had extremely high wastage of money that would not be done in a private company. The more money poured in, it would be wasted further without sensible results. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Mar 20, 2021 12:13:15 GMT
It is sickening, that people do these pathetic things, I guess the jacket had some value and the people wanted to steal it without paying. It is a shame that this has happened, walked past that house many times over the years. I have to agree with you on this about Khan, he has not done enough with policing in London, I do not know if it is down to his relationship between him and the commissioner, but if he felt she was not doing the job, he should have replaced her long time ago. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Mar 20, 2021 12:14:29 GMT
London Elections 2021: Green Party announces 'basic income' planLondon's young entrepreneurs and artists will be able to apply for £30,000 of funding to start their careers, under plans announced by the Green Party's candidate to be mayor. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-56427308
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Post by capitalomnibus on Mar 20, 2021 12:16:44 GMT
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The Duchess of Sussex is currently entangled in a completely different state of affairs across the pond.