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Post by greenboy on May 4, 2021 18:48:19 GMT
Nice stuff. As with the post-War era, when we had the Festival of Britain and so forth, we need a bit of energy and vision like that. This is a good pledge. Sadiq is getting my vote for sure. Shaun Bailey would be a complete disaster. Speaking as a generally Conservative voter, yes Shaun Bailey probably would be a disaster but no more of a disaster than Khan has proved to be. The cynic in me rather thinks that the position of London Mayor might not be long for this world. I can’t think of any other reason for London to be inflicted with such a poor selection of choices for Mayor And Khan is living in cloud cuckoo land if he thinks London will get the Olympics so soon after 2012. I absolutely loved having the Games on my doorstep but it was tinged with sadness because there’s little to no chance of the Games returning in my lifetime That was my first thought when I read about it, what chance of London getting the Olympics again so soon after 2012. He's only promised to explore the possibility so I'd take it with a pinch of salt quite honestly. I agree with you about the position of London mayor, it seems most people aren't greatly enamoured with any of the candidates. |
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Post by Paul on May 4, 2021 23:42:01 GMT
Speaking as a generally Conservative voter, yes Shaun Bailey probably would be a disaster but no more of a disaster than Khan has proved to be. The cynic in me rather thinks that the position of London Mayor might not be long for this world. I can’t think of any other reason for London to be inflicted with such a poor selection of choices for Mayor And Khan is living in cloud cuckoo land if he thinks London will get the Olympics so soon after 2012. I absolutely loved having the Games on my doorstep but it was tinged with sadness because there’s little to no chance of the Games returning in my lifetime That was my first thought when I read about it, what chance of London getting the Olympics again so soon after 2012. He's only promised to explore the possibility so I'd take it with a pinch of salt quite honestly If Khan told me the sky was blue I’d take it with a pinch of salt.... The only way I can see London holding a Games in the near future is if a future host ends up struggling to host - a huge amount of the infrastructure is still in place and it wouldn’t take much to bring other areas up to standard. But London isn’t going to win a genuine Games hosting bid for at least 40-50 years |
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Post by vjaska on May 5, 2021 0:24:56 GMT
That was my first thought when I read about it, what chance of London getting the Olympics again so soon after 2012. He's only promised to explore the possibility so I'd take it with a pinch of salt quite honestly If Khan told me the sky was blue I’d take it with a pinch of salt.... The only way I can see London holding a Games in the near future is if a future host ends up struggling to host - a huge amount of the infrastructure is still in place and it wouldn’t take much to bring other areas up to standard. But London isn’t going to win a genuine Games hosting bid for at least 40-50 years Ironically, most of the infrastructure that was used for the 2012 games isn't in place no more - the London Stadium is but many other venues were downsized so money would have to be spent on reversing that if possible. Not only that but the part where the athletes were staying is now flats whilst other bits are or have been built over so more money would be needed for that part as well. Couple that with the fact that the Olympic committee usually pick places which haven't had a round of hosting and I have to agree that London won't see one for an extremely long time. Besides, I'd rather the mayor concentrate on more pressing issues as well. |
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Post by Paul on May 5, 2021 0:30:53 GMT
If Khan told me the sky was blue I’d take it with a pinch of salt.... The only way I can see London holding a Games in the near future is if a future host ends up struggling to host - a huge amount of the infrastructure is still in place and it wouldn’t take much to bring other areas up to standard. But London isn’t going to win a genuine Games hosting bid for at least 40-50 years Ironically, most of the infrastructure that was used for the 2012 games isn't in place no more - the London Stadium is but many other venues were downsized so money would have to be spent on reversing that if possible. Not only that but the part where the athletes were staying is now flats whilst other bits are or have been built over so more money would be needed for that part as well. Couple that with the fact that the Olympic committee usually pick places which haven't had a round of hosting and I have to agree that London won't see one for an extremely long time. Besides, I'd rather the mayor concentrate on more pressing issues as well. The point I was making was that as it stands now London could probably step in and host an ‘emergency’ Games with only a few months notice. It would be rough around the edges but it’s pretty much the only place that could do so at the current time I do agree that the mayor has far more pressing issues to attend to than distracting the electorate with memories of that wonderful summer of 2012 |
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2021 8:08:59 GMT
Ironically, most of the infrastructure that was used for the 2012 games isn't in place no more - the London Stadium is but many other venues were downsized so money would have to be spent on reversing that if possible. Not only that but the part where the athletes were staying is now flats whilst other bits are or have been built over so more money would be needed for that part as well. Couple that with the fact that the Olympic committee usually pick places which haven't had a round of hosting and I have to agree that London won't see one for an extremely long time. Besides, I'd rather the mayor concentrate on more pressing issues as well. The point I was making was that as it stands now London could probably step in and host an ‘emergency’ Games with only a few months notice. It would be rough around the edges but it’s pretty much the only place that could do so at the current time I do agree that the mayor has far more pressing issues to attend to than distracting the electorate with memories of that wonderful summer of 2012 But as vjaska pointed out most of the infrastructure that existed for the olympics in 2012 is gone. Where would you house the athletes, the media, where would the temp venues come from. Yes, you could house them across the UK but given how fragile our economy is right now the olympics would be a death note. Rough wouldn’t begin to cut it, we’ve already seen austerity games like those in Brazil, but this would be something else. |
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Post by wirewiper on May 5, 2021 8:16:43 GMT
The point I was making was that as it stands now London could probably step in and host an ‘emergency’ Games with only a few months notice. It would be rough around the edges but it’s pretty much the only place that could do so at the current time I do agree that the mayor has far more pressing issues to attend to than distracting the electorate with memories of that wonderful summer of 2012 But as vjaska pointed out most of the infrastructure that existed for the olympics in 2012 is gone. Where would you house the athletes, the media, where would the temp venues come from. Yes, you could house them across the UK but given how fragile our economy is right now the olympics would be a death note. Rough wouldn’t begin to cut it, we’ve already seen austerity games like those in Brazil, but this would be something else. We managed it in 1948 and our economy was in a far more parlous state then. You could look at it another way; investing in the infrastructure for another olympics would kick-start the economy and lead to the growth that would put our economy on a more secure footing. Don't forget that Governments can borrow money on hugely advantageous terms that you and I could only ever dream of. It's certainly an idea worth looking at. It would also be worth looking at spreading the events around so that other areas of the UK get a look-in and a share of the investment. You could call this idea "levelling-up" (what a great phrase, someone should copyright it). |
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2021 9:21:19 GMT
But as vjaska pointed out most of the infrastructure that existed for the olympics in 2012 is gone. Where would you house the athletes, the media, where would the temp venues come from. Yes, you could house them across the UK but given how fragile our economy is right now the olympics would be a death note. Rough wouldn’t begin to cut it, we’ve already seen austerity games like those in Brazil, but this would be something else. We managed it in 1948 and our economy was in a far more parlous state then. You could look at it another way; investing in the infrastructure for another olympics would kick-start the economy and lead to the growth that would put our economy on a more secure footing. Don't forget that Governments can borrow money on hugely advantageous terms that you and I could only ever dream of. It's certainly an idea worth looking at. It would also be worth looking at spreading the events around so that other areas of the UK get a look-in and a share of the investment. You could call this idea "levelling-up" (what a great phrase, someone should copyright it). I don’t agree, I think in this age of record borrowing and debt levels I just don’t think it would benefit our economy much. I think if we are looking at events to bring the nation together then how about another Festival of Britain. Far less risk and an equally beneficial way to show off our economic rebound post-COVID. A long four day weekend with shops shut on the Sunday so everyone can get involved, street parties, outdoor music events, fairs, anything. The post olympics glow still exists with the anniversary games and other events and in part with the commonwealth games. I just don’t think the olympics would do much for us at this point. |
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Post by twobellstogo on May 5, 2021 9:44:34 GMT
If Khan told me the sky was blue I’d take it with a pinch of salt.... The only way I can see London holding a Games in the near future is if a future host ends up struggling to host - a huge amount of the infrastructure is still in place and it wouldn’t take much to bring other areas up to standard. But London isn’t going to win a genuine Games hosting bid for at least 40-50 years Ironically, most of the infrastructure that was used for the 2012 games isn't in place no more - the London Stadium is but many other venues were downsized so money would have to be spent on reversing that if possible. Not only that but the part where the athletes were staying is now flats whilst other bits are or have been built over so more money would be needed for that part as well. Couple that with the fact that the Olympic committee usually pick places which haven't had a round of hosting and I have to agree that London won't see one for an extremely long time. Besides, I'd rather the mayor concentrate on more pressing issues as well. Best comparison is Los Angeles, which held the games in 1984 and will do so again in 2028. If you carry that logic through, the earliest London will get the Games again is 2056... |
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Post by enviroPB on May 5, 2021 10:28:19 GMT
If Khan told me the sky was blue I’d take it with a pinch of salt.... The only way I can see London holding a Games in the near future is if a future host ends up struggling to host - a huge amount of the infrastructure is still in place and it wouldn’t take much to bring other areas up to standard. But London isn’t going to win a genuine Games hosting bid for at least 40-50 years Ironically, most of the infrastructure that was used for the 2012 games isn't in place no more - the London Stadium is but many other venues were downsized so money would have to be spent on reversing that if possible. Not only that but the part where the athletes were staying is now flats whilst other bits are or have been built over so more money would be needed for that part as well. Couple that with the fact that the Olympic committee usually pick places which haven't had a round of hosting and I have to agree that London won't see one for an extremely long time. Besides, I'd rather the mayor concentrate on more pressing issues as well. Before the Olympic Park existed there were no pre-existing athletic structures, and given it took less than 5 years to erect it's certainly not impossible. The bottom line is London could host a game again in the near future; as much as the Government tries to lie to itself, most of the former purposely built venues are currently or will be white elephants. No regular Newham resident is going to pay up to 30 quid to splash about in an olympic sized pool when they can do the same thing for free in a [council run] leisure centre. Hundreds of thousands spent just so Tom Daley and Ellie Simmonds and co. have their own private paddling pool. Venues can be upscaled in capacity and temporary ones such as at Horseguards and Greenwich can be brought back. The only problem is housing the athletes. After an innocent Google search regarding Olympic Villages and learning for the first time about the Munich massacre 5 decades ago, it's going to be difficult to find the space in that part of east London. I'm not saying brownfield and/or furloughed land can't be used to magic up 10,000 apartments, one look at the ABP project in the Royal Docks dispels that. It'd need to be mighty close to QEOP though and that's just not possible. Being a shameless Londoner I know where I'd hope the Olympics to return to in this country. However for economic benefits and a general rejuvenation of a city, best to give somewhere else in the country such as Manchester or Birmingham a chance. With the latter hosting the Commonwealth Games next year, maybe Birmingham will be a tad cheaper as an option and therefore more viable than other English cities to bid with. |
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Post by SILENCED on May 5, 2021 10:38:44 GMT
Ironically, most of the infrastructure that was used for the 2012 games isn't in place no more - the London Stadium is but many other venues were downsized so money would have to be spent on reversing that if possible. Not only that but the part where the athletes were staying is now flats whilst other bits are or have been built over so more money would be needed for that part as well. Couple that with the fact that the Olympic committee usually pick places which haven't had a round of hosting and I have to agree that London won't see one for an extremely long time. Besides, I'd rather the mayor concentrate on more pressing issues as well. Before the Olympic Park existed there were no pre-existing athletic structures, and given it took less than 5 years to erect it's certainly not impossible. The bottom line is London could host a game again in the near future; as much as the Government tries to lie to itself, most of the former purposely built venues are currently or will be white elephants. No regular Newham resident is going to pay up to 30 quid to splash about in an olympic sized pool when they can do the same thing for free in a [council run] leisure centre. Hundreds of thousands spent just so Tom Daley and Ellie Simmonds and co. have their own private paddling pool. Venues can be upscaled in capacity and temporary ones such as at Horseguards and Greenwich can be brought back. The only problem is housing the athletes. After an innocent Google search regarding Olympic Villages and learning for the first time about the Munich massacre 5 decades ago, it's going to be difficult to find the space in that part of east London. I'm not saying brownfield and/or furloughed land can't be used to magic up 10,000 apartments, one look at the ABP project in the Royal Docks dispels that. It'd need to be mighty close to QEOP though and that's just not possible. Being a shameless Londoner I know where I'd hope the Olympics to return to in this country. However for economic benefits and a general rejuvenation of a city, best to give somewhere else in the country such as Manchester or Birmingham a chance. With the latter hosting the Commonwealth Games next year, maybe Birmingham will be a tad cheaper as an option and therefore more viable than other English cities to bid with. Are the Newham pools free? Never come across a free one before. My local Croydon pool costs £4.45 for a swim. EDIT ... seems we have it cheap Newham advertising £5.20 There is a Spielberg film Munich, which does include the massacre, is more about events afterwards ... not seen it for ages ... but recall it being a good film. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on May 5, 2021 20:54:12 GMT
I would never support another Olympics games in London as long as I am alive. It was way over-hyped and more the corporate games than anything else. It never helped the average man as they said. Small business never got an infold. People who thought they would do pop up shops etc got shafted by boroughs like Waltham Forest in Leyton as most spectators never came off from there and used official routes. Promised things like using Whipps Cross boating lake never happened and many other lies. Traffic was insane as it was created to let officials travel around with ease and a bubble around certain areas. It was near impossible to get tickets for the games way too much allocated to corporate companies then these seats ended up empty. The ridiculous system of online purchasing and the queue was difficult. I would rather it not be in London ever again. If it were in the UK, put it in another city. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on May 5, 2021 20:54:52 GMT
Nice stuff. As with the post-War era, when we had the Festival of Britain and so forth, we need a bit of energy and vision like that. This is a good pledge. Sadiq is getting my vote for sure. Shaun Bailey would be a complete disaster. If Sean Bailey is a complete disaster, then Khan is a total catastrophe. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on May 5, 2021 21:01:55 GMT
Nice stuff. As with the post-War era, when we had the Festival of Britain and so forth, we need a bit of energy and vision like that. This is a good pledge. Sadiq is getting my vote for sure. Shaun Bailey would be a complete disaster. If Sean Bailey is a complete disaster, then Khan is a total catastrophe. I honestly don't think Bailey and Khan can even be compared to each other, Bailey is a total joke compared to Khan. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on May 5, 2021 21:25:09 GMT
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Post by capitalomnibus on May 5, 2021 21:26:49 GMT
If Sean Bailey is a complete disaster, then Khan is a total catastrophe. I honestly don't think Bailey and Khan can even be compared to each other, Bailey is a total joke compared to Khan. Sorry, but I disagree, if Bailey is a joke, Khan is a flipping clown. He is almost as bad as George Galloway. |
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