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Post by capitalomnibus on May 6, 2021 11:39:09 GMT
Final Prediction: A comfortable Sadiq Khan win, although initial reports of a first round landslide won't materialise following the spike in murders last week. But still a potential landslide when second preference votes are counted. The murders last week should not make a difference to the polls. |
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Post by SILENCED on May 6, 2021 11:43:40 GMT
Has BJ delivered on his primary election promise, yes. Has he done foolish things, yes. But I’m not equating BJ to SK and its a really poor defence of SKs failures to say the PM is a clown as well. What is SKs legacy? Every mayor should have something to prove how they benefited London and improved it from the last mayor. Livingstone had his public transport legacy, BJ the Olympics, boris bikes and of course the borismaster but where is SKs legacy? Oh I know it’s that guys that got stabbed at Brent Cross a couple of days ago, it’s that decimation of TfL, it’s that huge increase of crime. I cannot stop anyone voting for Kahn but I look forward to saying I told you so when it all falls to poo. The bike scheme was actually a Livingstone idea, he just wasn’t in office to implement it. The Borismaster & Olympics are fair shouts although one hasn’t been successful. Khan’s legacy will be tackling emissions along with the other bits you mention Emissions, really? All he has done is slow traffic down so engines run less efficiently, increasing emissions and pollutants. Average traffic speed has decreased over past 5 years, so beyond argument. As much as I don't think much off them the EU is responsible for the fall in emissions through all the various EuroX regulations. If traffic was allowed to move in a efficient manor think how much better of a place we would be in. Instead his TfL overseas a bus network that sits endlessly idling at bus stops ... good for emissions? |
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2021 11:47:47 GMT
Has BJ delivered on his primary election promise, yes. Has he done foolish things, yes. But I’m not equating BJ to SK and its a really poor defence of SKs failures to say the PM is a clown as well. What is SKs legacy? Every mayor should have something to prove how they benefited London and improved it from the last mayor. Livingstone had his public transport legacy, BJ the Olympics, boris bikes and of course the borismaster but where is SKs legacy? Oh I know it’s that guys that got stabbed at Brent Cross a couple of days ago, it’s that decimation of TfL, it’s that huge increase of crime. I cannot stop anyone voting for Kahn but I look forward to saying I told you so when it all falls to poo. The bike scheme was actually a Livingstone idea, he just wasn’t in office to implement it. The Borismaster & Olympics are fair shouts although one hasn’t been successful. Khan’s legacy will be tackling emissions along with the other bits you mention Okay, fair point about the bikes but the Borismaster is still a modern icon and tourists love it, which in central London was a selling point. Yes, Kahn did something for emissions but really the pandemic did his job for him. The LTNs were a terrible waste of money and illegal and the silvertown tunnel is going to completely undo any emission reductions in east London. I just can’t think of anything I truthfully say is better about London today than 2016 and whilst many will assume bias on my part I wouldn’t say anything if Kahn had something memorable about his first term. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on May 6, 2021 11:57:05 GMT
The bike scheme was actually a Livingstone idea, he just wasn’t in office to implement it. The Borismaster & Olympics are fair shouts although one hasn’t been successful. Khan’s legacy will be tackling emissions along with the other bits you mention Okay, fair point about the bikes but the Borismaster is still a modern icon and tourists love it, which in central London was a selling point. Yes, Kahn did something for emissions but really the pandemic did his job for him. The LTNs were a terrible waste of money and illegal and the silvertown tunnel is going to completely undo any emission reductions in east London. I just can’t think of anything I truthfully say is better about London today than 2016 and whilst many will assume bias on my part I wouldn’t say anything if Kahn had something memorable about his first term. I can think of one thing, the hopper fare, although it was a stolen Lib Dem policy that they were saying they would implement years ago. |
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2021 11:57:39 GMT
Politics in general is a personality contest first and purpose & substance second. Please don't overthink this, next to no one as elected officials have the relevant credentials for their role. Why on earth are former business directors heading up departments of government like health or education? Would you want a CEO at your GP's office treating your serious physical ailments? Boris is liked because he doesn't have to fake that much of his personality to an extent. He's a bumbling idiot who's a keen cyclist and loves his fair share of partners and affairs. That's a big swathe of the electorate that can relate to at least one of the criteria stated above. He also revels in speaking with the public whereas most politicians quiver behind their security if assigned to them. However that so-called "relatable" personality has been underpinned by a bed of lying to cover up sleaze and incompetence, and the electorate is now cottoning on. People might like a clown, but they don't appreciate it when they are the ones being treated as the fools. Can anyone say cash for honours. |
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2021 11:58:06 GMT
Okay, fair point about the bikes but the Borismaster is still a modern icon and tourists love it, which in central London was a selling point. Yes, Kahn did something for emissions but really the pandemic did his job for him. The LTNs were a terrible waste of money and illegal and the silvertown tunnel is going to completely undo any emission reductions in east London. I just can’t think of anything I truthfully say is better about London today than 2016 and whilst many will assume bias on my part I wouldn’t say anything if Kahn had something memorable about his first term. I can think of one thing, the hopper fare, although it was a stolen Lib Dem policy that they were saying they would implement years ago. Did nothing but rob TfL of vital funding. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on May 6, 2021 12:05:14 GMT
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Post by wirewiper on May 6, 2021 12:12:54 GMT
However that so-called "relatable" personality has been underpinned by a bed of lying to cover up sleaze and incompetence, and the electorate is now cottoning on. People might like a clown, but they don't appreciate it when they are the ones being treated as the fools. Can anyone say cash for honours. You can. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cash-for-Honours_scandalFor balance, you might like to mention the alleged cronyism of the current Government. |
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Post by vjaska on May 6, 2021 13:33:09 GMT
Boris seems to be getting into a new scandal every Friday, I'd be quite surprised if he manages to last until the 2024 election unscathed. Although I'm not sure whether he might eventually get forced out or resign on his own accord due to his apparent financial issues. Any potential replacement apart from Rishi Sunak is likely to probably give the Tories a beating in the polls when the time comes. Interestingly next time around the General and Mayoral elections come up just months from each other in 2024. I don't think Khan will contest it, rather opting for a return to parliament. I think at least one Labour MP for London will end up stepping down, giving Khan a huge advantage to jump back into the Commons and continue working up the ladder much like Boris did. Trouble is people in London are warped into a bubble and support Labour like a football team. The rest of the country has woken up. Unless the party changes drastically, they would start to crumble like the Lib Dems. Even in places like Scotland, Labour has lost out massively to the SNP. Khan seems to be trying to do a Boris than carve his own path and would NEVER make PM. The guy just does not realise how badly he is despised outside of London and that is even by Labour supporters. He would do worse than Corbyn at an election and that is saying something. Have people actually woken up or did they merely wanted to shock the system? I wouldn't call voting for this Tory government as 'waking up' as we've seen with the majority of the pandemic which they bungled massively and are incredibly fortunate the vaccine roll out went successfully. Meanwhile, voting for the dangerous SNP's is effectively writing your own death warrant as a Scottish voter - look what happened since they essentially became a one part country, poor records on education, health & a drug problem that is far & away much more problematic than anywhere else within the union among other things and are clinging to the fantasy that independence will solve all their issues when in fact, it will likely leave them worse off. Oil prices have crashed and is being phased out for obvious reasons meaning their one big ticket will be effectively worthless before long, Scots want to join the EU but aren't in favour of adopting the Euro which the EU will state that they must as a new country joining, and then you have all the rigmarole of setting up banking systems, etc - they are sleep walking into disaster not waking up. |
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Post by vjaska on May 6, 2021 13:48:56 GMT
The bike scheme was actually a Livingstone idea, he just wasn’t in office to implement it. The Borismaster & Olympics are fair shouts although one hasn’t been successful. Khan’s legacy will be tackling emissions along with the other bits you mention Tackling emissions whilst building the Silvertown tunnel would not go down well. Its either your all in or not in. Having a stupid policy of closing roads were having cars sit on main roads creating more traffic is hardly keeping emissions down. Sorry, try another one. Only legacy he has is rising levels of crime. The bike scheme was actually a Livingstone idea, he just wasn’t in office to implement it. The Borismaster & Olympics are fair shouts although one hasn’t been successful. Khan’s legacy will be tackling emissions along with the other bits you mention Emissions, really? All he has done is slow traffic down so engines run less efficiently, increasing emissions and pollutants. Average traffic speed has decreased over past 5 years, so beyond argument. As much as I don't think much off them the EU is responsible for the fall in emissions through all the various EuroX regulations. If traffic was allowed to move in a efficient manor think how much better of a place we would be in. Instead his TfL overseas a bus network that sits endlessly idling at bus stops ... good for emissions? The bike scheme was actually a Livingstone idea, he just wasn’t in office to implement it. The Borismaster & Olympics are fair shouts although one hasn’t been successful. Khan’s legacy will be tackling emissions along with the other bits you mention Okay, fair point about the bikes but the Borismaster is still a modern icon and tourists love it, which in central London was a selling point. Yes, Kahn did something for emissions but really the pandemic did his job for him. The LTNs were a terrible waste of money and illegal and the silvertown tunnel is going to completely undo any emission reductions in east London. I just can’t think of anything I truthfully say is better about London today than 2016 and whilst many will assume bias on my part I wouldn’t say anything if Kahn had something memorable about his first term. I don't like the guy and I think he is very poor as a politician but parking any bias of my own to one side, you can't deny emissions is something he is tackling be it through the ULEZ or the roll out of electric buses. Traffic speed has been slow for numerous years SILENCED so to throw that only at his door is wrong - not only that but there are far more cleaner vehicles on the road nowadays than say 5 years ago so the pollution would in effect balance itself out. LTN's are stupid and I've voiced my criticisms of that but I was never referring to that. @busenthusiast56 the Borismaster isn't an icon at all and I'm really not sure tourists love it as much as people think. The amount of times I've seen people turn their heads when a RT or RM chugs past is countless times more than when a LT passes - most tourists don't even bat an eyelid at one. The amount of money wasted on them including various modifications makes them white elephants. Yes, the Silvertown tunnel will likely screw him over in the end on that front but right now, reducing emissions is something he will remembered for and probably the only positive thing but it shows, even in terrible candidates, there is always something no matter how insignificant and small. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on May 7, 2021 9:38:07 GMT
Kettle and pot springs to mind, just like the Labour party rife with cronyism |
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Post by capitalomnibus on May 7, 2021 9:48:21 GMT
Tackling emissions whilst building the Silvertown tunnel would not go down well. Its either your all in or not in. Having a stupid policy of closing roads were having cars sit on main roads creating more traffic is hardly keeping emissions down. Sorry, try another one. Only legacy he has is rising levels of crime. Emissions, really? All he has done is slow traffic down so engines run less efficiently, increasing emissions and pollutants. Average traffic speed has decreased over past 5 years, so beyond argument. As much as I don't think much off them the EU is responsible for the fall in emissions through all the various EuroX regulations. If traffic was allowed to move in a efficient manor think how much better of a place we would be in. Instead his TfL overseas a bus network that sits endlessly idling at bus stops ... good for emissions? Okay, fair point about the bikes but the Borismaster is still a modern icon and tourists love it, which in central London was a selling point. Yes, Kahn did something for emissions but really the pandemic did his job for him. The LTNs were a terrible waste of money and illegal and the silvertown tunnel is going to completely undo any emission reductions in east London. I just can’t think of anything I truthfully say is better about London today than 2016 and whilst many will assume bias on my part I wouldn’t say anything if Kahn had something memorable about his first term. I don't like the guy and I think he is very poor as a politician but parking any bias of my own to one side, you can't deny emissions is something he is tackling be it through the ULEZ or the roll out of electric buses. Traffic speed has been slow for numerous years SILENCED so to throw that only at his door is wrong - not only that but there are far more cleaner vehicles on the road nowadays than say 5 years ago so the pollution would in effect balance itself out. LTN's are stupid and I've voiced my criticisms of that but I was never referring to that. @busenthusiast56 the Borismaster isn't an icon at all and I'm really not sure tourists love it as much as people think. The amount of times I've seen people turn their heads when a RT or RM chugs past is countless times more than when a LT passes - most tourists don't even bat an eyelid at one. The amount of money wasted on them including various modifications makes them white elephants. Yes, the Silvertown tunnel will likely screw him over in the end on that front but right now, reducing emissions is something he will remembered for and probably the only positive thing but it shows, even in terrible candidates, there is always something no matter how insignificant and small. I would say it is down to electric cars coming on par with petrol or diesel. I feel even if not ULEZ etc was done, cars would have changed anyway regardless. I agree that most tourists see the red London double decker bus concept as an icon, not the Routemaster itself. It is enthusiasts that have pedalled that image so long. Many friends or family that came from abroad did not know the difference between a Routemaster or a Trident and thought it was the double decker bus itself that was famous for London. The same many could not tell a TX cab from a FX type Fairway. I still feel ths Silvertown tunnel should have been the Beckton bridge that Boris cancelled. The road network was built in place either side of the Thames and it does seem strangely premature the way the A406 practically fizzles out at Beckton. |
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2021 11:22:18 GMT
Wasn’t my point at all. My point was that every government has been embroiled in scandal at some point. It’s politics, it can’t exist without some scandal. Cronyism can be a problem, but at the end of the day just another notch of the scandal belt in various governments both past and present. |
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Post by SILENCED on May 7, 2021 13:15:20 GMT
Tackling emissions whilst building the Silvertown tunnel would not go down well. Its either your all in or not in. Having a stupid policy of closing roads were having cars sit on main roads creating more traffic is hardly keeping emissions down. Sorry, try another one. Only legacy he has is rising levels of crime. Emissions, really? All he has done is slow traffic down so engines run less efficiently, increasing emissions and pollutants. Average traffic speed has decreased over past 5 years, so beyond argument. As much as I don't think much off them the EU is responsible for the fall in emissions through all the various EuroX regulations. If traffic was allowed to move in a efficient manor think how much better of a place we would be in. Instead his TfL overseas a bus network that sits endlessly idling at bus stops ... good for emissions? Okay, fair point about the bikes but the Borismaster is still a modern icon and tourists love it, which in central London was a selling point. Yes, Kahn did something for emissions but really the pandemic did his job for him. The LTNs were a terrible waste of money and illegal and the silvertown tunnel is going to completely undo any emission reductions in east London. I just can’t think of anything I truthfully say is better about London today than 2016 and whilst many will assume bias on my part I wouldn’t say anything if Kahn had something memorable about his first term. I don't like the guy and I think he is very poor as a politician but parking any bias of my own to one side, you can't deny emissions is something he is tackling be it through the ULEZ or the roll out of electric buses. Traffic speed has been slow for numerous years SILENCED so to throw that only at his door is wrong - not only that but there are far more cleaner vehicles on the road nowadays than say 5 years ago so the pollution would in effect balance itself out. LTN's are stupid and I've voiced my criticisms of that but I was never referring to that. ... I hear what you say about traffic speed, but policies for many years has been to slow traffic down, yes it started before Khan, but he has certainly accelerated the traffic slow down. This is probably the only thing that has accelerated during his term in office. Re electric roll out ... yes, but is that just not a benefit of technology as hybrids were for earlier mayors. The technology catch up would have been expected whoever was mayor, so if taking credit for technological advances is something to be proud of then yes, but London public transport has been a front runner in a green bus network since the role of Mayor of London was created ... so the credit should go to all 3 mayors, rather than one. Are you really trying to say as vehicles have become cleaner in the past 5 years, we can offset some of this by creating more pollution? Surely, not benefiting fully from the motor industries advancements, by artificially creating additional pollution is an environmental crime, not anything to be proud of! Lastly I would love you to try and have this conversation with Rosamund Kissi-Debrah, who has to live with the effect of Khans emissions. |
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Post by vjaska on May 7, 2021 13:43:36 GMT
I don't like the guy and I think he is very poor as a politician but parking any bias of my own to one side, you can't deny emissions is something he is tackling be it through the ULEZ or the roll out of electric buses. Traffic speed has been slow for numerous years SILENCED so to throw that only at his door is wrong - not only that but there are far more cleaner vehicles on the road nowadays than say 5 years ago so the pollution would in effect balance itself out. LTN's are stupid and I've voiced my criticisms of that but I was never referring to that. ... I hear what you say about traffic speed, but policies for many years has been to slow traffic down, yes it started before Khan, but he has certainly accelerated the traffic slow down. This is probably the only thing that has accelerated during his term in office. Re electric roll out ... yes, but is that just not a benefit of technology as hybrids were for earlier mayors. The technology catch up would have been expected whoever was mayor, so if taking credit for technological advances is something to be proud of then yes, but London public transport has been a front runner in a green bus network since the role of Mayor of London was created ... so the credit should go to all 3 mayors, rather than one. Are you really trying to say as vehicles have become cleaner in the past 5 years, we can offset some of this by creating more pollution? Surely, not benefiting fully from the motor industries advancements, by artificially creating additional pollution is an environmental crime, not anything to be proud of! Lastly I would love you to try and have this conversation with Rosamund Kissi-Debrah, who has to live with the effect of Khans emissions. He has continued the slow down of traffic which I've criticised myself but I wouldn't say he accelerated it - that would go to councils in the 90's who started laying down chicanes, speed humps & speed tables galore. It started there so blame must proportionally given out rather than lumped at one guy's door. The technology may have been there regardless of the mayor but the actual policy still needs to be implemented. The previous mayor had to change his timetable regarding the roll out of hybrids - I remember the first deadline was 2012 for all new buses to be hybrids which he completely missed. I've never said credit shouldn't go to all mayors on that issue but that also backs up that he has been positive in regards to emissions. If you think my statement about last 5 years was some sort of praise, then your missing the point because it wasn't. The point I was making was in counter to you saying slower speeds cause more pollution which is right but you missed the crucial fact that vehicles overall are much cleaner in the last 5 years than they were in the previous 5 or 10 years so obviously if you have more cleaner vehicles on the road, it would counter some of the effects of pollution from lower speeds - that's all I was getting at. Lastly, I know very well who she is but you seem to forget and ignored in my post that I already said LT's are stupid and that I wasn't referring to that in previous replies. Not only that but I've stated on many occasions how LTN's don't work having to suffer from them myself - seems to many people on here who have short memories or don't read what others write nowadays. Ironically, Kissi-Debrah has worked with the mayor on the Healthy London Partnership and has contributed to the proposed expansion of the Ultra Low Emission Zone in London that aims to reduce air pollution from cars. Her daughter sadly died in 2013 under Mayor.....Boris but yet here your are only blaming Khan who was Mayor from 2016 so maybe apportion blame where it is appropriate? |
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