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Post by greenboy on May 8, 2021 8:23:49 GMT
I have a feeling that, the way things are going, Bailey might win the election. Very poor for Labour all over the country, though the Conservatives have been lucky due to the vaccine rollout I'm not sure that luck has much to do with it, whilst the successful vaccine rollout will have helped the clear message from the electorate is that they don't trust Labour and I think Kier Starmer might have to start considering his position. It's a shame because any government needs a decent opposition party to keep them on their toes. |
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Post by wirewiper on May 8, 2021 12:35:54 GMT
However that so-called "relatable" personality has been underpinned by a bed of lying to cover up sleaze and incompetence, and the electorate is now cottoning on. People might like a clown, but they don't appreciate it when they are the ones being treated as the fools. Did the good people of Hartlepool not get the memo then? If they did, it clearly said "Stay at home, there's nothing for you here". Of the c.70,000 people eligible to vote, less than 30,000 actually bothered to express any kind of preference at all. That to me is the saddest aspect of the whole thing. |
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Post by busman on May 8, 2021 13:13:39 GMT
I have a feeling that, the way things are going, Bailey might win the election. Very poor for Labour all over the country, though the Conservatives have been lucky due to the vaccine rollout Can't see it myself. The results from the areas Bailey was expected to be strongest have already been declared. Saturday declarations are considered Khan hotspots. Barnet & Camden is very close at the moment, Khan’s lead has narrowed to 1% with counting ongoing. Bailey leads solidly in Croydon and narrowly in South West. But there are a few areas like Greenwich & Lewisham who massively vote Labour no matter who’s name is on the ballot. Looks like it will come down to second preferences. I’m hoping the second votes will turn up something strange and unexpected, but the theory is that most people who voted Green or Lib Dem (yeah they still exist) as first preference will have Khan as their second choice. Khan to win narrowly, with a massive slap in the face from Londoners living in the outer boroughs. |
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2021 13:55:05 GMT
I have a feeling that, the way things are going, Bailey might win the election. Very poor for Labour all over the country, though the Conservatives have been lucky due to the vaccine rollout Can't see it myself. The results from the areas Bailey was expected to be strongest have already been declared. Saturday declarations are considered Khan hotspots. Very close between Khan and Bailey now, with 25,000 vote difference at the moment. Definitely going to come down to second preference votes. What's interesting to see is that out of what I would call the 'joke candidates' (everyone except Khan, Bailey, Porritt and Berry) Niko Omilana has received the most votes excluding the top 4. Still insignificant in comparison to the top 4, but he's an interesting candidate for 'Best of the rest' |
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Post by vjaska on May 8, 2021 14:22:56 GMT
Can't see it myself. The results from the areas Bailey was expected to be strongest have already been declared. Saturday declarations are considered Khan hotspots. Barnet & Camden is very close at the moment, Khan’s lead has narrowed to 1% with counting ongoing. Bailey leads solidly in Croydon and narrowly in South West. But there are a few areas like Greenwich & Lewisham who massively vote Labour no matter who’s name is on the ballot. Looks like it will come down to second preferences. I’m hoping the second votes will turn up something strange and unexpected, but the theory is that most people who voted Green or Lib Dem (yeah they still exist) as first preference will have Khan as their second choice. Khan to win narrowly, with a massive slap in the face from Londoners living in the outer boroughs. So baring the more closer race, hardly a shock in the end it seems as the Outer London boroughs were always going to vote Tory. Even Brent & Harrow results didn’t surprise me that much because effectively, that area is a mix of Inner (Brent) & Outer (Harrow) so could of always swung both ways depending on what part had higher turnout. Like Greenwich & Lewisham, Lambeth & Southwark were only going to vote Khan with likely their second preference going to the Greens. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on May 8, 2021 15:38:57 GMT
Can't see it myself. The results from the areas Bailey was expected to be strongest have already been declared. Saturday declarations are considered Khan hotspots. Barnet & Camden is very close at the moment, Khan’s lead has narrowed to 1% with counting ongoing. Bailey leads solidly in Croydon and narrowly in South West. But there are a few areas like Greenwich & Lewisham who massively vote Labour no matter who’s name is on the ballot. Looks like it will come down to second preferences. I’m hoping the second votes will turn up something strange and unexpected, but the theory is that most people who voted Green or Lib Dem (yeah they still exist) as first preference will have Khan as their second choice. Khan to win narrowly, with a massive slap in the face from Londoners living in the outer boroughs. Barnet & Camden is now 99% counted with only 1% between the two candidates. I'd imagine it'd be a very narrow win for Khan there. The South West still has slightly more to count but also still has 1% between the two, but with Bailey leading instead. I think second preferences will heavily skew Khan, I'd imagine any that voted for Fox will have put Bailey as second choice with potentially some LibDen voters, but most of the Greens I would imagine have Labour down as second due to both being on the left. |
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Post by ronnie on May 8, 2021 15:53:24 GMT
I have a feeling that, the way things are going, Bailey might win the election. Very poor for Labour all over the country, though the Conservatives have been lucky due to the vaccine rollout I'm not sure that luck has much to do with it, whilst the successful vaccine rollout will have helped the clear message from the electorate is that they don't trust Labour and I think Kier Starmer might have to start considering his position. It's a shame because any government needs a decent opposition party to keep them on their toes. Think labour need to have some serious introspection on what issues they discuss. Seems like a party which is now supported more by the middle class and young Londoners rather than the working class What issues are the most pertinent? Jobs, development, way forward post brexit What issues are brought up by labour? LTNs, cycle everywhere, brexit is evil, second referendum, car owners are evil, house owners are evil etc etc They will lose more till they get their act right. Or risk being taken over by far left loonies who frankly are as bad as far right loonies but are out on a pedestal for some reason |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on May 8, 2021 15:59:22 GMT
I'm not sure that luck has much to do with it, whilst the successful vaccine rollout will have helped the clear message from the electorate is that they don't trust Labour and I think Kier Starmer might have to start considering his position. It's a shame because any government needs a decent opposition party to keep them on their toes. Think labour need to have some serious introspection on what issues they discuss. Seems like a party which is now supported more by the middle class and young Londoners rather than the working class What issues are the most pertinent? Jobs, development, way forward post brexit What issues are brought up by labour? LTNs, cycle everywhere, brexit is evil, second referendum, car owners are evil, house owners are evil etc etc They will lose more till they get their act right. Or risk being taken over by far left loonies who frankly are as bad as far right loonies but are out on a pedestal for some reason This is exactly the problem Labour really need to be a pro-leave political party now as that is what the people voted for. I'm a strong remainer but the people spoke and it needs to be respected. I think most remainers are actually of this view now so it's why the wishy washy view of Labour isn't gaining support. Labour should also be promoting house ownership, as a party of the working people it should be aiming to help even the poor Londoners to get onto the housing ladder. This Anti-Car view of theirs is ridiculous, I've said it many times before but you can't expect everyone to ditch their cars overnight. Once Zero emission technology is widespread car use will almost certainly increase. |
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Post by ronnie on May 8, 2021 16:15:58 GMT
Think labour need to have some serious introspection on what issues they discuss. Seems like a party which is now supported more by the middle class and young Londoners rather than the working class What issues are the most pertinent? Jobs, development, way forward post brexit What issues are brought up by labour? LTNs, cycle everywhere, brexit is evil, second referendum, car owners are evil, house owners are evil etc etc They will lose more till they get their act right. Or risk being taken over by far left loonies who frankly are as bad as far right loonies but are out on a pedestal for some reason This is exactly the problem Labour really need to be a pro-leave political party now as that is what the people voted for. I'm a strong remainer but the people spoke and it needs to be respected. I think most remainers are actually of this view now so it's why the wishy washy view of Labour isn't gaining support. Labour should also be promoting house ownership, as a party of the working people it should be aiming to help even the poor Londoners to get onto the housing ladder. This Anti-Car view of theirs is ridiculous, I've said it many times before but you can't expect everyone to ditch their cars overnight. Once Zero emission technology is widespread car use will almost certainly increase. It’s almost 5Y now since the Brexit referendum (time flies!!!!) I narrowly voted remain (was sitting on the fence till erring on the side of caution as I really didn’t trust anyone to handle all negotiations for an orderly brexit). Now that the referendum is done, let’s respect the public vote - it’s not a best of 3 exercise where you keep having the referendum till you get a vote in your favour! It’s a fairly directionless party at the moment. A more organised party would have made life nightmarish for BoJo but these guys need to lose more before they learn a lesson |
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Post by wirewiper on May 8, 2021 16:50:58 GMT
This is exactly the problem Labour really need to be a pro-leave political party now as that is what the people voted for. I'm a strong remainer but the people spoke and it needs to be respected. I think most remainers are actually of this view now so it's why the wishy washy view of Labour isn't gaining support. Labour should also be promoting house ownership, as a party of the working people it should be aiming to help even the poor Londoners to get onto the housing ladder. This Anti-Car view of theirs is ridiculous, I've said it many times before but you can't expect everyone to ditch their cars overnight. Once Zero emission technology is widespread car use will almost certainly increase. It’s almost 5Y now since the Brexit referendum (time flies!!!!) I narrowly voted remain (was sitting on the fence till erring on the side of caution as I really didn’t trust anyone to handle all negotiations for an orderly brexit). Now that the referendum is done, let’s respect the public vote - it’s not a best of 3 exercise where you keep having the referendum till you get a vote in your favour! It’s a fairly directionless party at the moment. A more organised party would have made life nightmarish for BoJo but these guys need to lose more before they learn a lesson Labour has lost out in the "red wall" areas of the North-East and West Midlands and may be struggling in London (although I still think Sadiq Khan is on target for a narrow victory and Assembly seats are holding). However Labour has quietly consolidated their hold on the Welsh Senedd where they now hold 30 of the 60 seats, and have been doing very well in North-West England where Andy Burnham in particular has held onto Greater Manchester by a landslide. It will be interesting to see how Labour pick themselves up, there will be some soul-searching and an inevitable reshuffle, and possibly a move to replace Keir Starmer as leader with one of the rising stars of the North-West. However I don't think they are the spent force that many seem to believe. |
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Post by vjaska on May 8, 2021 16:53:05 GMT
I'm not sure that luck has much to do with it, whilst the successful vaccine rollout will have helped the clear message from the electorate is that they don't trust Labour and I think Kier Starmer might have to start considering his position. It's a shame because any government needs a decent opposition party to keep them on their toes. Think labour need to have some serious introspection on what issues they discuss. Seems like a party which is now supported more by the middle class and young Londoners rather than the working class What issues are the most pertinent? Jobs, development, way forward post brexit What issues are brought up by labour? LTNs, cycle everywhere, brexit is evil, second referendum, car owners are evil, house owners are evil etc etc They will lose more till they get their act right. Or risk being taken over by far left loonies who frankly are as bad as far right loonies but are out on a pedestal for some reason Those issues you listed are mainly brought up by the lunatic far left & Khan - I don’t think Starmer has made any mention of that stuff personally but I could be wrong. Car owners aren’t evil but it’s not incorrect to say many who own a car could easily switch without much hardship - the only people who need a car are those who live in a more remote setting or if in a city, those who require big shops or work in a job that is only practical by car like my brother who requires a car because he has to drive to Essex, Kent & Norfolk at times and whilst a lot of heavy equipment. Electric cars won’t be option for a good many people hence why many are unhappy with things like the ULEZ because the cost is prohibitive but with good transport policies in operation, the alternative would be there anyway - trouble we have is transport policy is usually all noise and no action. Second referendum is usually brought by a Labour & Tory combo of Blair & Major, don’t think anyone takes much notice of that |
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Post by Paul on May 8, 2021 16:57:11 GMT
Did the good people of Hartlepool not get the memo then? If they did, it clearly said "Stay at home, there's nothing for you here". Of the c.70,000 people eligible to vote, less than 30,000 actually bothered to express any kind of preference at all. That to me is the saddest aspect of the whole thing. I agree, politicians have to do a lot more to make the electorate care enough about politics to go out and vote. I’m not sure I’d go as far as Australia and make it mandatory but something needs to be done to get more people to the ballot box However, regardless of how many voted enough of them went blue, probably for the first time ever. The Labour Party is a shadow of its former self and appears to have lost a huge number of people it could previously count on to vote for them. Boris Johnson and the Conservatives haven’t handed the pandemic very well but despite this, it seems a lot of voters are buying what Johnson is selling, even lifelong Labour voters I don’t think anyone expected the race for London Mayor to be as close as it appears to have turned out to be. Again, Labour voters just aren’t convinced by the party any longer. I rather suspect the Conservatives have been kicking themselves today for not fielding a stronger candidate or, indeed, not backing Bailey harder. It would appear the London Mayoralty was there for the taking |
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Post by MKAY315 on May 8, 2021 17:13:21 GMT
I have this question to ask. What are people's reasons for voting for Bailey? Is it because they can't stand Khan or the ULEZ situation or the crimes etc?
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on May 8, 2021 17:24:52 GMT
Both of these constituencies also were Khan victories, although really narrow with Barnet&Camden.
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Post by SILENCED on May 8, 2021 17:27:50 GMT
I have this question to ask. What are people's reasons for voting for Bailey? Is it because they can't stand Khan or the ULEZ situation or the crimes etc? I did not vote for him, but can only be they believe he is the best option for London. |
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