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Post by TB123 on Sept 1, 2023 12:53:08 GMT
All this airport talk. Here's a novel idea. Build an extra runway at both Heathrow and Gatwick. Hell make it two at Gatwick with the Northern runway project too. Couple it with paying for everyone in flight path vicinity to get triple glazing installed, as well as massive investment in supporting public transport infrastructure (Western & Southern Heathrow rail links, HS4Air) and new roads where appropriate. Will Gatwick need the extra runway if Heathrow gets it? The extra availability at Heathrow will almost certainly be taken up by airlines and destinations currently camped out at Gatwick awaiting availability into Heathrow. Yes, I'm sure it would. It's futureproofing essentially. |
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Post by vjaska on Sept 1, 2023 14:08:41 GMT
Will Gatwick need the extra runway if Heathrow gets it? The extra availability at Heathrow will almost certainly be taken up by airlines and destinations currently camped out at Gatwick awaiting availability into Heathrow. Yes, I'm sure it would. It's futureproofing essentially. And what point do you stop building runways at Heathrow? |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Sept 1, 2023 14:14:25 GMT
Yes, I'm sure it would. It's futureproofing essentially. And what point do you stop building runways at Heathrow? When the demand is satisfied, or when provision is made for a completely new airport that's as easy to get to as Heathrow, if not easier. One of the major setbacks of Boris island was not the fact it was an island but its distance from London which would be unappealing. Demand for Air Travel is only growing and these demands need to be met. The issue is that due to it being a deregulated market airlines and passengers will do what they want and its hard to move people away from their norm of using Heathrow. |
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Post by SILENCED on Sept 1, 2023 14:22:51 GMT
All this airport talk. Here's a novel idea. Build an extra runway at both Heathrow and Gatwick. Hell make it two at Gatwick with the Northern runway project too. Couple it with paying for everyone in flight path vicinity to get triple glazing installed, as well as massive investment in supporting public transport infrastructure (Western & Southern Heathrow rail links, HS4Air) and new roads where appropriate. Can I just confirm if this a serious or sarcastic comment ... it is hard to tell on this forum. It is just something I would never have expected you to say. |
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Post by vjaska on Sept 1, 2023 14:23:38 GMT
And what point do you stop building runways at Heathrow? When the demand is satisfied, or when provision is made for a completely new airport that's as easy to get to as Heathrow, if not easier. One of the major setbacks of Boris island was not the fact it was an island but its distance from London which would be unappealing. Demand for Air Travel is only growing and these demands need to be met. The issue is that due to it being a deregulated market airlines and passengers will do what they want and its hard to move people away from their norm of using Heathrow. So the answer is never then - what a brilliant strategy that is. |
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Post by TB123 on Sept 1, 2023 14:32:02 GMT
All this airport talk. Here's a novel idea. Build an extra runway at both Heathrow and Gatwick. Hell make it two at Gatwick with the Northern runway project too. Couple it with paying for everyone in flight path vicinity to get triple glazing installed, as well as massive investment in supporting public transport infrastructure (Western & Southern Heathrow rail links, HS4Air) and new roads where appropriate. Can I just confirm if this a serious or sarcastic comment ... it is hard to tell on this forum. It is just something I would never have expected you to say. Serious. But I'd also add - throw in some public investment to further research into cleaner aviation propulsion. I think Jet Zero is doable but needs some oomph behind it. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Sept 1, 2023 14:39:43 GMT
Can I just confirm if this a serious or sarcastic comment ... it is hard to tell on this forum. It is just something I would never have expected you to say. Serious. But I'd also add - throw in some public investment to further research into cleaner aviation propulsion. I think Jet Zero is doable but needs some oomph behind it. I think it might be risky throwing public money into it if other countries aren't willing to do the same. This sort of development will presumably eventually lead to Airbus and/or Boeing taking charge when it peaks their interest and neither are British companies. |
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Post by SILENCED on Sept 1, 2023 15:02:48 GMT
When the demand is satisfied, or when provision is made for a completely new airport that's as easy to get to as Heathrow, if not easier. One of the major setbacks of Boris island was not the fact it was an island but its distance from London which would be unappealing. Demand for Air Travel is only growing and these demands need to be met. The issue is that due to it being a deregulated market airlines and passengers will do what they want and its hard to move people away from their norm of using Heathrow. So the answer is never then - what a brilliant strategy that is. I would say demand will continue to increase as world population increases the way it is ... there lies the problem for lots of the current world problems. |
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Post by allentc on Sept 1, 2023 15:10:20 GMT
This sort of development will presumably eventually lead to Airbus and/or Boeing taking charge when it peaks their interest and neither are British companies. Indeed. We often come up with good innovations and companies but then have a poor track record of actually keeping them here in UK control. Often they are snapped up by foreign entities who then slash jobs here and move the operation abroad. ARM comes to mind. Cadburys being another - not technological - but a treasured UK institution taken over by a US company who promised to MPs they would keep UK jobs and then promptly reneged on that. |
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Post by northlondon83 on Sept 1, 2023 16:23:47 GMT
All this airport talk. Here's a novel idea. Build an extra runway at both Heathrow and Gatwick. Hell make it two at Gatwick with the Northern runway project too. Couple it with paying for everyone in flight path vicinity to get triple glazing installed, as well as massive investment in supporting public transport infrastructure (Western & Southern Heathrow rail links, HS4Air) and new roads where appropriate. Are you paying for this? |
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Post by northlondon83 on Sept 1, 2023 16:25:29 GMT
And what point do you stop building runways at Heathrow? When the demand is satisfied, or when provision is made for a completely new airport that's as easy to get to as Heathrow, if not easier. One of the major setbacks of Boris island was not the fact it was an island but its distance from London which would be unappealing. Demand for Air Travel is only growing and these demands need to be met. The issue is that due to it being a deregulated market airlines and passengers will do what they want and its hard to move people away from their norm of using Heathrow. You're going to displease a lot of people who live near Heathrow or in the flight path! I see absoultely no need to build a runway at Heathrow. Just another expensive and environment destroying project |
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Post by george on Sept 1, 2023 16:36:20 GMT
To fly out of Heathrow. Its why Qatar has 8 flights in a day and Emirates has 6-7 depending on the season. They could set up more at Gatwick but none have shown interest in doing that. Interestingly, everyone I know much prefers to use Gatwick and dislikes Heathrow The Gatwick security guy to me was so rude shouting that I didn't check my bag before it went through the scanner. His colleague was like sorry about him that was just a random test and your bag is fine. Apart from that time Gatwick is fine 😂 |
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Post by allentc on Sept 1, 2023 17:03:58 GMT
I see absoultely no need to build a runway at Heathrow. Just another expensive and environment destroying project A ULEZ charge for each plane passing over London? Sshhh! Don't tell the mayor  |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Sept 1, 2023 17:24:04 GMT
When the demand is satisfied, or when provision is made for a completely new airport that's as easy to get to as Heathrow, if not easier. One of the major setbacks of Boris island was not the fact it was an island but its distance from London which would be unappealing. Demand for Air Travel is only growing and these demands need to be met. The issue is that due to it being a deregulated market airlines and passengers will do what they want and its hard to move people away from their norm of using Heathrow. You're going to displease a lot of people who live near Heathrow or in the flight path! I see absoultely no need to build a runway at Heathrow. Just another expensive and environment destroying project Quite frankly it's their problem for living near an airport, the needs of the country come before a few individuals. |
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Post by northlondon83 on Sept 1, 2023 17:38:42 GMT
You're going to displease a lot of people who live near Heathrow or in the flight path! I see absoultely no need to build a runway at Heathrow. Just another expensive and environment destroying project Quite frankly it's their problem for living near an airport, the needs of the country come before a few individuals. I'd think that a lot of people would have lived there since before plans for expansion existed. Besides if you lived there you'd probably be concerned about your house being knocked down and having to move somewhere else, after potentially spending most or all your life living in the same area. Ever since I can remember (about 6 years back) when I first went to Harmondsworth/Sipson there were signs everywhere like 'Stop Heathrow expansion' |
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