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Post by B10M on Feb 28, 2021 0:47:35 GMT
Why is Metroline the worst? Out if all of them I would say Metroline, Arriva and Go-Ahead are the best. They seem to be the ones that look after their buses. L Those are just a few observations I’ve made from my local area. For my area RATP has been the best in terms of looking after buses with Abellio close behind, and it has been Metroline that’s been the worst. This may just be localised, AH is my nearest ML garage |
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Post by vjaska on Feb 28, 2021 1:16:41 GMT
Lol, Abellio unreliable - Abellio operate in my area and they do a fair job on most routes as do Arriva & Go-Ahead. I also have one Stagecoach route and despite the issues the P4 faces, I think Stagecoach do a reasonable job as well. Wouldn't call the 201 & P13 the most reliable of routes  (Unless things have vastly improved over the last 1-2 years since I used to commute on them) I don't think they do a bad job with the 3, 45, 109, 196, 415 personally whilst isn't the issue on the 201 & P13 more to do with the traffic they pass through (hello South Circular) rather than Abellio. |
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Post by vjaska on Feb 28, 2021 1:18:36 GMT
Lol, Abellio unreliable - Abellio operate in my area and they do a fair job on most routes as do Arriva & Go-Ahead. I also have one Stagecoach route and despite the issues the P4 faces, I think Stagecoach do a reasonable job as well. They used to be unreliable on the 407 and the 433 but since their new contracts started, performance has improved considerably! The only route I've thought they and their predecessors butchered badly was the 157 - I don't know what the Morden end was like but the Palace end was an afterthought at times and why a number of people would opt for the 410 at times. Thank goodness Arriva do a better job by the looks of things. |
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Post by VWH1413 on Feb 28, 2021 10:38:25 GMT
Why is Metroline the worst? Out if all of them I would say Metroline, Arriva and Go-Ahead are the best. They seem to be the ones that look after their buses. I’d say Metroline are hit and miss with maintenance. On one hand you have nice G2s that have been refurbished (e.g 245) with some nice performing G3s. On other hand, as mentioned dirty exteriors, and some dodgy TEHs. Also noticed they may not be replacing hybrid batteries as most G2s don’t run electric mode and some reports of early G3 with weak batteries. Can’t say my least favourite though. I live and travel in an very heavy Metroline operated area. There is one operator I dislike, but that’s based on one route. |
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Post by mkay315 on Feb 28, 2021 10:47:32 GMT
They used to be unreliable on the 407 and the 433 but since their new contracts started, performance has improved considerably! The only route I've thought they and their predecessors butchered badly was the 157 - I don't know what the Morden end was like but the Palace end was an afterthought at times and why a number of people would opt for the 410 at times. Thank goodness Arriva do a better job by the looks of things. The few times I've used the 157 during the Abellio days were abysmal. I think 2010/11 times you would have to wait at least 20 minutes for one bus to pull into Morden Station and then 3 would come at once even to the point that one time 1 of the buses had to use the 201 stand to then come back on itself to pick passengers up. Thank goodness that N and TH combination has worked wonders so far. |
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Post by SILENCED on Feb 28, 2021 10:58:12 GMT
The only route I've thought they and their predecessors butchered badly was the 157 - I don't know what the Morden end was like but the Palace end was an afterthought at times and why a number of people would opt for the 410 at times. Thank goodness Arriva do a better job by the looks of things. The few times I've used the 157 during the Abellio days were abysmal. I think 2010/11 times you would have to wait at least 20 minutes for one bus to pull into Morden Station and then 3 would come at once even to the point that one time 1 of the buses had to use the 201 stand to then come back on itself to pick passengers up. Thank goodness that N and TH combination has worked wonders so far. As a regular 157 user, I would add the Abellio probably pulled the 157 around in their last 18-24 months of their operations, but it was pretty dire for many years prior to that. Think in South Norwood we are quite lucky that the Arriva 157 and parallel Stagecoach 75 are operated well, at least from an operational point of view. Been a long time, without undue external influences, when I have had a long wait for one of the 2 to turn up. ** That might be a little white lie ... as if the wait is a little long, I tend to walk, but sometimes the walk is predetermined. Predominantly on trips back from the Two Brewers |
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Post by M1104 on Feb 28, 2021 11:05:01 GMT
I don't have one
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Post by mkay315 on Feb 28, 2021 11:24:56 GMT
The few times I've used the 157 during the Abellio days were abysmal. I think 2010/11 times you would have to wait at least 20 minutes for one bus to pull into Morden Station and then 3 would come at once even to the point that one time 1 of the buses had to use the 201 stand to then come back on itself to pick passengers up. Thank goodness that N and TH combination has worked wonders so far. As a regular 157 user, I would add the Abellio probably pulled the 157 around in their last 18-24 months of their operations, but it was pretty dire for many years prior to that. Think in South Norwood we are quite lucky that the Arriva 157 and parallel Stagecoach 75 are operated well, at least from an operational point of view. Been a long time, without undue external influences, when I have had a long wait for one of the 2 to turn up. ** That might be a little white lie ... as if the wait is a little long, I tend to walk, but sometimes the walk is predetermined. Predominantly on trips back from the Two Brewers I wonder how that route coped when Crystal Palace played at Home during the Abellio days? |
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Post by SILENCED on Feb 28, 2021 12:39:27 GMT
As a regular 157 user, I would add the Abellio probably pulled the 157 around in their last 18-24 months of their operations, but it was pretty dire for many years prior to that. Think in South Norwood we are quite lucky that the Arriva 157 and parallel Stagecoach 75 are operated well, at least from an operational point of view. Been a long time, without undue external influences, when I have had a long wait for one of the 2 to turn up. ** That might be a little white lie ... as if the wait is a little long, I tend to walk, but sometimes the walk is predetermined. Predominantly on trips back from the Two Brewers I wonder how that route coped when Crystal Palace played at Home during the Abellio days? It would have ground to a halt as all traffic does around South Norwood on match days. |
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Post by mkay315 on Feb 28, 2021 13:12:23 GMT
I wonder how that route coped when Crystal Palace played at Home during the Abellio days? It would have ground to a halt as all traffic does around South Norwood on match days. Fair enough I know when West Ham used to be at Upton Park. Green Street and Barking Road used to be chock and block with the 58, 330, 104 and 376 caught in the crossfire of it and God help you if it was a London Derby as well. |
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Post by TE920 on Feb 28, 2021 14:33:42 GMT
I’d say Metroline, and I’m working for them.
Poor vehicle maintenance, poor refurbishments for both training and taking on existing vehicles from different operators
I really like RATP, Go Ahead.
Would like to see more of Abellio & Tower Transit in North West London...Possibly opening a new depot somewhere but unlikely it will happen.
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Post by Gellico on Feb 28, 2021 16:06:21 GMT
Love how RATP hasn't been mentioned yet... Arguably the worst operator in terms of management structure at the moment with constant strikes and just a very aggressive rationalisation of the business that just treats drivers as numbers, not actual human beings. Yes their vehicles might look alright but that is entirely superficial when compared against workforce morale, pay,job retention etc...
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Feb 28, 2021 16:40:37 GMT
Love how RATP hasn't been mentioned yet... Arguably the worst operator in terms of management structure at the moment with constant strikes and just a very aggressive rationalisation of the business that just treats drivers as numbers, not actual human beings. Yes their vehicles might look alright but that is entirely superficial when compared against workforce morale, pay,job retention etc... The leader of the poll as I type (Metroline) seems to have even worse industrial relations than RATP, Union was saying about drivers being forced onto Zero hour contracts which seems even worse than what RATP is doing. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2021 20:13:03 GMT
For me it's Arriva (Ducks for cover) they just seem to lack polish compared to other companies it terms of presentation, I am basing most of this on routes out of DX and route 123 (AR) which I see regular at Ilford. It think its a mixture of manual blinds not looking neat compared to smart blinds, how often buses are painted.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Feb 28, 2021 23:45:39 GMT
I don't like the way this is setup. As why has Go-Ahead & RATP been done to show each subsidary, but Metroline, Stagecoach, Arriva not
At the moment my least favourite would be Tower Transit, purely as this stem from First London. The western part (the original Centrewest) is not as bad, but [LI] I am not a fan of from the management perspective on operations side.
Before it would have been First and before them it was the original MTL London Northern, hated them with a passion and how they had the MCW Metrobuses faded and literally attrocious. When other operators were repainting there's, they was not. [PB] back then had the worst donkey buses of an ex LBL subsidary, route 232 had some seriously shameful buses, you would struggle not to find a straight panel on many of the buses, even up to the roof.
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