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Post by VMH2537 on Apr 11, 2021 15:50:41 GMT
Which bourough in London has the worst bus network?
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Post by Busboy105 on Apr 11, 2021 15:57:01 GMT
Which bourough in London has the worst bus network? Newham’s probably up there. Every bus there ends up in East Ham for some reason |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2021 16:07:52 GMT
I don't think Newham is that great, most routes stay in the borough. We need much better links to other places.
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Post by ianhardy on Apr 11, 2021 16:22:02 GMT
Which bourough in London has the worst bus network? I would say the borough that you have to use buses in on a daily basis as it could always be better, whereas boroughs elsewhere I only see and use occasionally, so don't really how bad the network is.
If I moved to another part of London, my response would be the same.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Apr 11, 2021 16:35:56 GMT
Barking and Dagenham is extremely poor, you can't get further West from there than Stratford or Canning Town.
Even links to Newham which is the next borough along are shocking, you've only got the 5, 86, 238, 173 and 366. Even the 173 and 366 only just make it across the border and terminate at Beckton. Effectively only leaving the 5, 86 and 238 actually making it to any other town centres over the border from B&D to Newham.
You do technically have the 325, but it only has one stop in B&D.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Apr 11, 2021 17:06:37 GMT
In terms of Capacity issues I say Barnet & Harringay are pretty bad in that sense.
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Post by southlondonbus on Apr 11, 2021 17:11:44 GMT
In terms of Capacity issues I say Barnet & Harringay are pretty bad in that sense. Sutton is quite bad for long distance into town. Since the war its really only had the 80 then the 280 to Tooting Broadway or the self contained 77 and now 127 again to Tooting. Contrast this with Croydon up untill the 90s with the 68 and 109 and Bromley the 1/47/199 till 1991. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2021 17:41:54 GMT
In terms of Capacity issues I say Barnet & Harringay are pretty bad in that sense. Sutton is quite bad for long distance into town. Since the war its really only had the 80 then the 280 to Tooting Broadway or the self contained 77 and now 127 again to Tooting. Contrast this with Croydon up untill the 90s with the 68 and 109 and Bromley the 1/47/199 till 1991. Or the 93 to Putney. |
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Post by southlondonbus on Apr 11, 2021 17:58:51 GMT
Sutton is quite bad for long distance into town. Since the war its really only had the 80 then the 280 to Tooting Broadway or the self contained 77 and now 127 again to Tooting. Contrast this with Croydon up untill the 90s with the 68 and 109 and Bromley the 1/47/199 till 1991. Or the 93 to Putney. Yes the 93 is the only route into Zone 2. |
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Post by VMH2537 on Apr 11, 2021 18:25:18 GMT
My Borough of Enfield does has many holes in them that some of them are overlooked.
Here are the issues with Enfield :
. Generally poor links to the West of Enfield from Edmonton Green which to me is very overlooked with the W6 having capacity issues and has a long journey time of up to 40 minutes during peak hours.
. Poor accessibility to Hospitals from North East Enfield such as Turkey Street and Enfield Lock and North West Enfield such as Haldey Wood, Cockfosters and Oakwood.
. Southgate lacks direct connections to Barnet.
. Poor connections to Walthamstow from the centre of the borough despite Walthamstow being a close distance.
. The only opportunity zone ( Upper Lea Valley ) with a existing poor bus network which means drastic changes could happen once developments take place such as Meridian Water.
. The Ponders End to Edmonton Green corridor having capacity issues with the 279 and the 349 having overcrowding's pre covid and not being enough for the capacity needed.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Apr 11, 2021 18:43:26 GMT
My Borough of Enfield does has many holes in them that some of them are overlooked. Here are the issues with Enfield : . Generally poor links to the West of Enfield from Edmonton Green which to me is very overlooked with the W6 having capacity issues and has a long journey time of up to 40 minutes during peak hours. . Poor accessibility to Hospitals from North East Enfield such as Turkey Street and Enfield Lock and North West Enfield such as Haldey Wood, Cockfosters and Oakwood. . Southgate lacks direct connections to Barnet. . Poor connections to Walthamstow from the centre of the borough despite Walthamstow being a close distance. . The only opportunity zone ( Upper Lea Valley ) with a existing poor bus network which means drastic changes could happen once developments take place such as Meridian Water. . The Ponders End to Edmonton Green corridor having capacity issues with the 279 and the 349 having overcrowding's pre covid and not being enough for the capacity needed. Have you addressed any of this as I know you are a representative for buses in enfield (I believe you have said you are some sort of spokesperson).
The 279/349 situation is really annoying, however I could see some ways where if the 149 was reduced slightly (I think there would be more likely options on the route being the 242 thou) the 349 could then be increased slightly so hopefully it could make up some shortcomings capacity wise north of Edmonton. The 279 is certainly busy from Manor House as well - perhaps due to zoning of the tube map and fares.
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Post by southlondonbus on Apr 11, 2021 18:59:00 GMT
My Borough of Enfield does has many holes in them that some of them are overlooked. Here are the issues with Enfield : . Generally poor links to the West of Enfield from Edmonton Green which to me is very overlooked with the W6 having capacity issues and has a long journey time of up to 40 minutes during peak hours. . Poor accessibility to Hospitals from North East Enfield such as Turkey Street and Enfield Lock and North West Enfield such as Haldey Wood, Cockfosters and Oakwood. . Southgate lacks direct connections to Barnet. . Poor connections to Walthamstow from the centre of the borough despite Walthamstow being a close distance. . The only opportunity zone ( Upper Lea Valley ) with a existing poor bus network which means drastic changes could happen once developments take place such as Meridian Water. . The Ponders End to Edmonton Green corridor having capacity issues with the 279 and the 349 having overcrowding's pre covid and not being enough for the capacity needed. Have you addressed any of this as I know you are a representative for buses in enfield (I believe you have said you are some sort of spokesperson). The 279/349 situation is really annoying, however I could see some ways where if the 149 was reduced slightly (I think there would be more likely options on the route being the 242 thou) the 349 could then be increased slightly so hopefully it could make up some shortcomings capacity wise north of Edmonton. The 279 is certainly busy from Manor House as well - perhaps due to zoning of the tube map and fares.
Whilst it would be a bit long but could the 259 be extended up to Ponders End to help 279 and 349? |
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Post by ronnie on Apr 11, 2021 18:59:09 GMT
I don't think Newham is that great, most routes stay in the borough. We need much better links to other places. As someone said in another thread a long time back, buses starting from Canning Town do a “Tour de Newham” and all end up in East Ham (5, 115, 147, 300, 474). The only routes heading west from newham are the 115 and 25; everything else goes north or is infra-borough. The destinations are all very repetitive (from Stratford all routes go to Walthamstow Central or Chingford; the 108/276 add some variety but the rest all stay within the borough in a fairly circuitous fashion. |
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Post by LJ17THF on Apr 11, 2021 18:59:43 GMT
Croydon might have one of the best, starting from Old Coulsdon, you could get to either Liverpool Street (60, 133) or Marble Arch (60, 159) with 2 buses, and to Edgware (60, 159, 113) or Palmers Green (60, 133, 141), with 3 buses and very little walking. It also has 2 express routes, with the X26 being the longest route in London, allowing passengers to carry their journey to Harrow with the X140. The X68 is also a good route in Croydon - with it, you can go as far as Crouch End without much walking after transferring to the 91 at Russell Square.
Barking and Dagenham might have one of the worst, because, as mentioned, you can't get very far with buses, but at least they have the Tube leading them further to better bus and train services, but not everyone may have enough money to use the Tube.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2021 19:07:58 GMT
I don't think Newham is that great, most routes stay in the borough. We need much better links to other places. As someone said in another thread a long time back, buses starting from Canning Town do a “Tour de Newham” and all end up in East Ham (5, 115, 147, 300, 474). The only routes heading west from newham are the 115 and 25; everything else goes north or is infra-borough. The destinations are all very repetitive (from Stratford all routes go to Walthamstow Central or Chingford; the 108/276 add some variety but the rest all stay within the borough in a fairly circuitous fashion. Think it was me and will get worse especially from Custom House you will have the 147,300,304,325 and 474 all heading to East Ham via different routes - I am sure East Ham as demand but this is a joke. As you mention we only have the 115 heading west from Canning Town with the majority of routes terminating there.
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