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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2021 22:19:50 GMT
I'd suggest Lambeth has one of the best networks around due to the superb access to Central London as well the brilliant connections when travelling north to south though even then, it still isn't perfect and the lack of east to west links outside either starting or crossing through the borough into other boroughs has always severely been lacking. A main direct link between Clapham & West Norwood (no the 322 isn't such a thing) has always been odd given they are the next biggest places after Brixton & Streatham Some excellent links you’re right. The 2,35, 37,57,88,109,118,133,159,P4 spring to mind . |
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Post by greg on Apr 11, 2021 23:42:00 GMT
Camden is ok since some of their routes can get you to places such as the 24, 27, 88, 168, 214 etc to Central and then the 134, 253 to the suburbs
But then routes like the 46, 274 or C11 for example are like overly bad since they dont actually provide good links and are just putting a bus where a place needs it.
There is no way anyone could sit through a 46 between King’s Cross and Swiss Cottage it would be 2x quicker on a 214/31 or 30/13 switch over instead. It just runs through estates and doesnt run through town centres.
The 274’s link from Agar Grove to London Zoo is probably the most useless Ive seen, might aswell split it.
Theres also some routes that are just sad, the 31 runs alone on a pretty busy section between Kilburn and Camden, but then you have the 29/253 following each other between Camden and Manor House, which is an extremely long distance.
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Post by ronnie on Apr 12, 2021 0:29:44 GMT
Tower Hamlets is a tricky one. It’s definitely better than Newham / barking & Dagenham as it’s closer to central London but the east in general has poor Links
The 8/25/15 are pale shadows of their former glory owing to constant tinkering / hacks. But still important ones and arguably routes which give good connections to central locations - plus the 205. However some very important links have been broken (Oxford circus now needs 3 buses; no link to London Bridge unless you are in Aldgate)
Good connections with Hackney / newham although the fact that there is only 1 link to Canning Town and beyond is bad. There is better linkage to Stratford though
Cross river connections are ok but not spectacular
Intra-borough connection is reasonable
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Post by LondonNorthern on Apr 12, 2021 0:38:22 GMT
Camden is ok since some of their routes can get you to places such as the 24, 27, 88, 168, 214 etc to Central and then the 134, 253 to the suburbs But then routes like the 46, 274 or C11 for example are like overly bad since they dont actually provide good links and are just putting a bus where a place needs it. There is no way anyone could sit through a 46 between King’s Cross and Swiss Cottage it would be 2x quicker on a 214/31 or 30/13 switch over instead. It just runs through estates and doesnt run through town centres. The 274’s link from Agar Grove to London Zoo is probably the most useless Ive seen, might aswell split it. Theres also some routes that are just sad, the 31 runs alone on a pretty busy section between Kilburn and Camden, but then you have the 29/253 following each other between Camden and Manor House, which is an extremely long distance. The C11 is an excellent route links wise, a fan of it myself. It's very good with getting across North West London. The 29/253 follow each other for a long distance as that corridor is incredibly busy, but the 31 should have an increased freq. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2021 7:30:06 GMT
Harrow is a mixture really. No routes to central London or even Zone 2 (487 only touches the border from the Zone 3 side), links to the east don't go any further than Brent Cross, Golders Green, Edgware or Mill Hill. Would be nice to have a link from somewhere such as Stanmore to Barnet or Mill Hill East
However it does have some good links, such as 2 buses to Watford and the X140.
Wandsworth is one of the best, since places such as Putney link to places in central London and near the outskirts such as Kingston
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Post by MKAY315 on Apr 12, 2021 7:32:21 GMT
Barking and Dagenham is extremely poor, you can't get further West from there than Stratford or Canning Town. Even links to Newham which is the next borough along are shocking, you've only got the 5, 86, 238, 173 and 366. Even the 173 and 366 only just make it across the border and terminate at Beckton. Effectively only leaving the 5, 86 and 238 actually making it to any other town centres over the border from B&D to Newham. You do technically have the 325, but it only has one stop in B&D. Well you do have the 145 that goes to Leytonstone and also the 66 that passes through Barking and Dagenham just for a little bit at Eastern Avenue around the Rose Lane Estate area. |
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Post by DT 11 on Apr 12, 2021 7:32:36 GMT
It might be cheating a bit but I’ll go with the areas that are on the border of Bexley and Greenwich. I think it’s really weird that you can’t get from Eltham or Welling to Abbey Wood or Thamesmead without changing at Bexleyheath or Woolwich/Plumstead. Welling to Abbey Wood is a simple 3 mile/10 minute drive. I notice a lot of passengers get off the 96 at Plumstead Corner then wait for a 177 or 180 on the opposite side of the road. A direct link from Welling - Thamesmead would definitely go down well. |
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Post by busman on Apr 12, 2021 10:53:17 GMT
I'd suggest Lambeth has one of the best networks around due to the superb access to Central London as well the brilliant connections when travelling north to south though even then, it still isn't perfect and the lack of east to west links outside either starting or crossing through the borough into other boroughs has always severely been lacking. A main direct link between Clapham & West Norwood (no the 322 isn't such a thing) has always been odd given they are the next biggest places after Brixton & Streatham I’ve lived in Ealing, Brent, Lambeth and Greenwich boroughs - of those 4, I second your shout for Lambeth. Everywhere seemed to easy to reach by bus....especially as I lived near the boundary with Southwark - Waterloo and Elephant & Castle were my main interchanges. Greenwich would be hugely improved if we had a permanent river crossing to the east of the borough. Barking, Dagenham and Ilford are so close, yet so far. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Apr 12, 2021 11:01:32 GMT
Which bourough in London has the worst bus network? Newham’s probably up there. Every bus there ends up in East Ham for some reason How? 69, 308, 86, 25, 425, 330 does not go to East Ham |
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Post by Busboy105 on Apr 12, 2021 11:07:25 GMT
Newham’s probably up there. Every bus there ends up in East Ham for some reason How? 69, 308, 86, 25, 425, 330 does not go to East Ham I know that, it was an exaggeration; from Canning Town all buses end up in East Ham except the 69, 241, 323, 330 and the N551. Which says a lot |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2021 11:09:20 GMT
How? 69, 308, 86, 25, 425, 330 does not go to East Ham I know that, it was an exaggeration; from Canning Town all buses end up in East Ham except the 69, 241 and the 323. Which says a lot Nope you have the 276 and 309 as well. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Apr 12, 2021 11:09:52 GMT
Barking and Dagenham is extremely poor, you can't get further West from there than Stratford or Canning Town. Even links to Newham which is the next borough along are shocking, you've only got the 5, 86, 238, 173 and 366. Even the 173 and 366 only just make it across the border and terminate at Beckton. Effectively only leaving the 5, 86 and 238 actually making it to any other town centres over the border from B&D to Newham. You do technically have the 325, but it only has one stop in B&D. Simply because all routes have been made into feeder routes for the Underground or trains to go further west. I do not think there is much in Newham to warrant anyone travelling there apart from Stratford. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Apr 12, 2021 11:14:10 GMT
My Borough of Enfield does has many holes in them that some of them are overlooked. Here are the issues with Enfield : . Generally poor links to the West of Enfield from Edmonton Green which to me is very overlooked with the W6 having capacity issues and has a long journey time of up to 40 minutes during peak hours. . Poor accessibility to Hospitals from North East Enfield such as Turkey Street and Enfield Lock and North West Enfield such as Haldey Wood, Cockfosters and Oakwood. . Southgate lacks direct connections to Barnet. . Poor connections to Walthamstow from the centre of the borough despite Walthamstow being a close distance. . The only opportunity zone ( Upper Lea Valley ) with a existing poor bus network which means drastic changes could happen once developments take place such as Meridian Water. . The Ponders End to Edmonton Green corridor having capacity issues with the 279 and the 349 having overcrowding's pre covid and not being enough for the capacity needed. You having a laugh, what about the 102, that goes west from Edmonton Green. The 34 is a stone throw away from Edmonton Green, down the road at the Angel. |
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Post by LondonNorthern on Apr 12, 2021 11:15:51 GMT
My Borough of Enfield does has many holes in them that some of them are overlooked. Here are the issues with Enfield : . Generally poor links to the West of Enfield from Edmonton Green which to me is very overlooked with the W6 having capacity issues and has a long journey time of up to 40 minutes during peak hours. . Poor accessibility to Hospitals from North East Enfield such as Turkey Street and Enfield Lock and North West Enfield such as Haldey Wood, Cockfosters and Oakwood. . Southgate lacks direct connections to Barnet. . Poor connections to Walthamstow from the centre of the borough despite Walthamstow being a close distance. . The only opportunity zone ( Upper Lea Valley ) with a existing poor bus network which means drastic changes could happen once developments take place such as Meridian Water. . The Ponders End to Edmonton Green corridor having capacity issues with the 279 and the 349 having overcrowding's pre covid and not being enough for the capacity needed. You having a laugh, what about the 102, that goes west from Edmonton Green. The 34 is a stone throw away from Edmonton Green, down the road at the Angel. I believe West of Enfield means Palmers Green and Southgate. |
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Post by MKAY315 on Apr 12, 2021 11:17:13 GMT
Does anyone know how Bromley Borough bus links are like. I think that's one Borough in London I haven't really ventured out to so I can't really say much.
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